From Fun to Frustration: How Toxicity is Killing Content in ESO

sans-culottes

VoxAdActa wrote: »

Koshka wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

Thysbe wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

This isn’t rugby or something. It’s a video game.

Reaction time and muscle memory get poorer as you age regardless of what you do. Thinking you can still perform with 40/50+ the way you did in your twenties is just delusional. But if you never played on a really competitive level or with really talented young gamers you might not notice the difference.

No offense, but this is silly. It’s a video game, and it’s delusional to think this is equivalent to being a professional athlete. I don’t have any interest in a hobby where it’s work and not fun. You do you, dude. If injuring yourself because of video games is your cup of tea, then Godspeed.

PS. No one’s disagreeing with this point re: reaction speed. I mean, sure. All I suggested was “it’d be nice for other playstyles to be accommodated without others fearing that this would somehow diminish their enjoyment.” I think I also suggested that it’s not unreasonable to offer suggestions, e.g., on the forum they operate for that purpose.

The question is, how exactly do you accomodate for every single playstyle without significantly lowering the difficulty (which is the main appeal of hardmodes)?
Some people can't/won't use optimized builds (so you can't have any dps checks), some only play in 1st person (no mechanics that involve ground aoes), some have really high ping or very unstable connections (no mechanics that require quick reaction), some are struggling with different health issues, etc. Making something for everyone is a nice idea in principle, but implementing it would be close to impossible if you also want to maintain a certain level of challenge.
I personally think that vet modes should be accessible, but hms are supposed to be, well, hard.

Exactly. ESO attempts to do the "something for everyone" model by having lots of different content with different difficulty levels. Overland, delves, public dungeons, world events, world bosses, base-game dungeons, DLC dungeons, vet dungeons, HM dungeons, and so on up the ladder.

What I keep seeing in these forums is a tug-of-war between the people who need accessibility (for whatever reasons, from personal to medical) and the people who climb that ladder toward the harder end of the scale. The easier end of the scale keeps asking for things to make the hard stuff easier, and the harder end of the scale keeps asking for things to make the easy stuff harder (ref: the huge Overland Difficulty thread).

Both sets of players cannot be satisfied with the same content, which is why there's such a granular content-difficulty scale in this game to begin with.

Everyone recognizes that the largest segment of players will be about in the middle, but also, everyone thinks they're "in the middle." The people who do vet trials think they're "in the middle" because they're not pushing trifectas, and the people who top out at base-game normal PUGs think they're "in the middle," too. Me too. I solo base-game normals and some base-game vets, and I think I'm probably "in the middle".

So the easier-end content people think of themselves as "in the middle," and wonder why ZOS is making all this super hard content "most people" won't ever get to do. Meanwhile, the harder-end content people also think they're "in the middle" and wonder why ZOS is keeping overland so boring and making items/classes that allow for boring 1-bar builds that "most people" will never need.

I don’t know that we need to let perfect be the enemy of good here. ZOS has demonstrated that, at least when it’s a hype point for DLC or something, they can come up with more gameplay-changing stuff than they usually produce. That two mythic items are more or less bandaid approaches to these issues demonstrates their awareness of something.

Vulkunne

abkam wrote: »

I have to share this with all of you.

So, I love the HA build, for so many reasons. But right now, I won’t go into detail. I just want to say: I really love HA!

However, as you all know, playing with this build isn’t easy. I mean, of course, the build itself is simple, but being accepted in groups? That’s a whole different story. It’s insanely hard to get into HM content and endgame trials. And since I’ve already completed all my quests, and almost owning all items, there’s not much left for me to do in-game to keep myself entertained.

So, I did something crazy, I bought another account! Yeah, why not? Time to start all over again.
After leveling up my new character, going through the story, and finally reaching CP160, I started running normal trials. And you won’t believe what I discovered…
Players in normal trials are AMAZING. Seriously. it’s like stepping into a completely different world. Players are friendly, helpful, and just there to have fun. No one cares if you have one bar, two bars, or even if you go in naked. They just want to play the game. And it’s incredible!

As a veteran player, all I’ve ever seen in vet trials is toxicity. Players get kicked for having low CP. Others are bullied for their low DPS. And honestly? We, the veteran players, are the ones killing the game. Yep, I finally understand why so many players quit. Veteran content is just way too toxic.

On my main account, I have a long list of ignored players, either because I was toxic, they were toxic, or we just ended up ignoring each other. But guess what? In normal trials, some of those same players and I are friends! Why? Because we’re just playing the game for fun. It’s a completely different experience.

Now, here’s where things get even more frustrating.

On my main account, I have 8k+ Crowns. My wife has 4k+. And yet, we can’t gift them. As you might understand, I can’t play without my merchant, banker, and other essential NPCs. So, I reached out to support and asked them to remove Crowns from my account and use them to gift a Merchant, just a Merchant, to my other account. Support said no. -.-

So now, I have to return to my main account because I literally can’t play the game without NPCs and ESO Plus, I understand that many players can handle this, traveling to a city, selling, returning, and repeating the process. But, I can't (Consequence of years of bad habits in ESO). That means going back to the toxic environment, back to dealing with ignored players, and back to the same frustrating experience.

And you know what? This is 100% ZoS’s fault. Why? Because certain addons have made players more obsessed with DPS than actually playing the damn game. Only normal players and newer players truly enjoy the game for what it is. And for a brief moment, I got to experience that joy too.

But not anymore. Not after this;

GG ZoS, Good Game!!!

OP,

Had some time to sit down and read up on the forums today and I saw your thread here. So at first I wasn't going to reply but um looking thru some of the replies on here I just um I think this is a good conversation to have.

Allow me to start by saying, I have no comment on the Crown issue. I've had my own little 'battle' over that and no one cares. So, they're going to do whatever they're going to do and the net result of this is I no longer use my other accounts. I do store things there and I'm thankful for that, yep, but um I have no faith in ZOS turning on gifting for my other accounts and I've already spent enough money on my main account so. The net results is now I only play on one account because I've decided to stay with the game, yet I've got alot of thinking to do and I think some changes need to be made but anyways. Focusing more on the substance here, Trials, I can tell you, can be a mess.

When you talk about vet Trials, that hot madness is all over the place. None of us here are going to be able to sort those people out. When you try and form a group for a vet Trial, depending on the difficulty, you know it can be rather punishing. I mean, no one is going to just put some of these harder Trial runs to chance, right? And while I share your frustration, in the past I have been blamed exclusive for mistakes others made, so yes I understand how much you hate dealing with them but at the same time, we have to make some room for the fact that no one is going to walk into some of these Trials without vetting the participants and doing something to establish faith in that group. It won't happen, don't look for it, we just gotta move on. This is why I don't do Trials anymore because I'm sick of not being accommodating but sometimes it just goes to ridiculous lengths. Best wishes to anyone else still looking for a Trial lead. I got lucky and am thankful all that is over with.

Ardaghion

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

tauriel01 wrote: »

But they won't let him do anything with the crowns HE OWNS.

That's not accurate. He can still spend the Crowns he owns on himself. He just can't gift Crown Store items to others. I don't know why so many players have trouble getting that option enabled, but there must be/have been a lot of bad actors abusing it for the option to have been made so difficult to get.

I think having problems getting Crown gifting enabled is due to the "evolving list of requirements" being open to interpretation, the CS reps are mostly deciding for themselves if you meet the requirements.

When I was playing on console, my wife had 47k Crowns left in her console account. She hadn't played ESO in over a year, I had her put in a request to enable Crown gifting so she could gift to me. We really didn't want those Crowns to go to waste.

She was denied the first time, which I think is par for the course, but she appealed. I had her tell them she only wanted to gift to me, seeing as I had an active account. That seemed to work and gifting was enabled.

I was playing on console and PC at the time and I had to make a choice, I didn't have the time to play on both platforms. So I picked PC. Very little of her Crowns were used and my 35k crowns on Xbox are essentially abandoned. It is one of the things that bothers me about games that use their own currency, they take your money and you get a currency you can never trade back. I get that there are no refunds and at one time it didn't bother me to spend a lot on games but I've gotten older. I won't buy Crowns unless there's something I really want, and I want very little these days. So I'd only buy as many as I need, even if the price per Crown is not as economical.

katanagirl1

gh

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Toxicity from guilds in trials has driven my wife and I away from the game on multiple occasions. She has played since 2014. Probably not done 5 trials in that time due to the amount of toxic attitudes she had to deal with.

If you can't light weave attack, you will get griefed. Been that way for years upon years now. Light attack weaving literally keeps a portion of the population from enjoying the game.

The arcanist has been a godsend for me. You only have to do a couple of light attacks during a two bar rotation to get your ultimate up. You can also use Empower potions as well.

Pixiepumpkin

katanagirl1 wrote: »

gh

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Toxicity from guilds in trials has driven my wife and I away from the game on multiple occasions. She has played since 2014. Probably not done 5 trials in that time due to the amount of toxic attitudes she had to deal with.

If you can't light weave attack, you will get griefed. Been that way for years upon years now. Light attack weaving literally keeps a portion of the population from enjoying the game.

The arcanist has been a godsend for me. You only have to do a couple of light attacks during a two bar rotation to get your ultimate up. You can also use Empower potions as well.

Ya, I loved mine too till they gutted the magicka arcanist (remember the nerfs done to the class last year becasue stamina was over performing?....that also affected magicka?).

The character now is a pale reflection of what it was. I do better on my HA sorc (sadly)

Koshka

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Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

gh

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Toxicity from guilds in trials has driven my wife and I away from the game on multiple occasions. She has played since 2014. Probably not done 5 trials in that time due to the amount of toxic attitudes she had to deal with.

If you can't light weave attack, you will get griefed. Been that way for years upon years now. Light attack weaving literally keeps a portion of the population from enjoying the game.

The arcanist has been a godsend for me. You only have to do a couple of light attacks during a two bar rotation to get your ultimate up. You can also use Empower potions as well.

Ya, I loved mine too till they gutted the magicka arcanist (remember the nerfs done to the class last year becasue stamina was over performing?....that also affected magicka?).

The character now is a pale reflection of what it was. I do better on my HA sorc (sadly)

Stam arcanist is pretty magicky, though. Visually it's pretty much the same as mag arcanist.

SeaGtGruff

Ardaghion wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

tauriel01 wrote: »

But they won't let him do anything with the crowns HE OWNS.

That's not accurate. He can still spend the Crowns he owns on himself. He just can't gift Crown Store items to others. I don't know why so many players have trouble getting that option enabled, but there must be/have been a lot of bad actors abusing it for the option to have been made so difficult to get.

I think having problems getting Crown gifting enabled is due to the "evolving list of requirements" being open to interpretation, the CS reps are mostly deciding for themselves if you meet the requirements.

When I was playing on console, my wife had 47k Crowns left in her console account. She hadn't played ESO in over a year, I had her put in a request to enable Crown gifting so she could gift to me. We really didn't want those Crowns to go to waste.

She was denied the first time, which I think is par for the course, but she appealed. I had her tell them she only wanted to gift to me, seeing as I had an active account. That seemed to work and gifting was enabled.

I was playing on console and PC at the time and I had to make a choice, I didn't have the time to play on both platforms. So I picked PC. Very little of her Crowns were used and my 35k crowns on Xbox are essentially abandoned. It is one of the things that bothers me about games that use their own currency, they take your money and you get a currency you can never trade back. I get that there are no refunds and at one time it didn't bother me to spend a lot on games but I've gotten older. I won't buy Crowns unless there's something I really want, and I want very little these days. So I'd only buy as many as I need, even if the price per Crown is not as economical.

I have no idea what the requirements are, but evidently the problems that initially led to Crown Store gifting being disabled for all players, and then reenabled only for players who met the unpublicized requirements, were/are so severe that ZOS felt such drastic action was necessary.

Personally, I think the practice of exchanging "gifted" Crown Store items for gold is what caused the whole mess in the first place, as it has allowed 'bad actors" to abuse the system in highly questionable or even downright illegal ways. And if I'm not mistaken, it used to be expressly forbidden by the TOS.

Whether or not it's expressly permitted right now (I'm not sure if it is), I suspect that exchanging "gifted" Crown Store items for gold might be something they look at when deciding whether or not to reenable Crown Store gifting on a given account.

A genuine gift is something you give someone else without requiring anything in return. That is not to say that gifts cannot be exchanged, and one player might gift gold to another player. But gifting large amounts of gold looks very suspicious, with or without the gifting of any Crown Store items being involved.

Grizzbeorn

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Personally, I think the practice of exchanging "gifted" Crown Store items for gold is what caused the whole mess in the first place, as it has allowed 'bad actors" to abuse the system in highly questionable or even downright illegal ways. And if I'm not mistaken, it used to be expressly forbidden by the TOS.

Whether or not it's expressly permitted right now (I'm not sure if it is), I suspect that exchanging "gifted" Crown Store items for gold might be something they look at when deciding whether or not to reenable Crown Store gifting on a gien account.

It IS currently permitted, and it is not a variable in whether or not a given account is allowed to gift.
I can gift on my account, and I have been a member of a reputable Crown item exchanging guild for several years.
If exchanging Crown items for gold was a non-starter for gifting on an account, then I would not be able to gift, but I can, and it did not require an appeal from my end.

Orbital78

Koshka wrote: »

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Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

gh

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Toxicity from guilds in trials has driven my wife and I away from the game on multiple occasions. She has played since 2014. Probably not done 5 trials in that time due to the amount of toxic attitudes she had to deal with.

If you can't light weave attack, you will get griefed. Been that way for years upon years now. Light attack weaving literally keeps a portion of the population from enjoying the game.

The arcanist has been a godsend for me. You only have to do a couple of light attacks during a two bar rotation to get your ultimate up. You can also use Empower potions as well.

Ya, I loved mine too till they gutted the magicka arcanist (remember the nerfs done to the class last year becasue stamina was over performing?....that also affected magicka?).

The character now is a pale reflection of what it was. I do better on my HA sorc (sadly)

Stam arcanist is pretty magicky, though. Visually it's pretty much the same as mag arcanist.

I too enjoy my heavy sorc/templar better, but the arcanist is leaps and bounds more powerful in sheer damage with my builds and similar effort. Different playstyle and survivability for me, but it is nice to have two options at least. One I just cannot hit good enough numbers for top end stuff as easily.

I haven't really tried, but with the banner addition couldn't magicka arcs be just as viable if not more? I guess it would all depend on how well you can use Coral Riptide and Azureblight, your two pigeon holed sets for high end.

Soarora

Orbital78 wrote: »

Koshka wrote: »

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Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

gh

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Toxicity from guilds in trials has driven my wife and I away from the game on multiple occasions. She has played since 2014. Probably not done 5 trials in that time due to the amount of toxic attitudes she had to deal with.

If you can't light weave attack, you will get griefed. Been that way for years upon years now. Light attack weaving literally keeps a portion of the population from enjoying the game.

The arcanist has been a godsend for me. You only have to do a couple of light attacks during a two bar rotation to get your ultimate up. You can also use Empower potions as well.

Ya, I loved mine too till they gutted the magicka arcanist (remember the nerfs done to the class last year becasue stamina was over performing?....that also affected magicka?).

The character now is a pale reflection of what it was. I do better on my HA sorc (sadly)

Stam arcanist is pretty magicky, though. Visually it's pretty much the same as mag arcanist.

I too enjoy my heavy sorc/templar better, but the arcanist is leaps and bounds more powerful in sheer damage with my builds and similar effort. Different playstyle and survivability for me, but it is nice to have two options at least. One I just cannot hit good enough numbers for top end stuff as easily.

I haven't really tried, but with the banner addition couldn't magicka arcs be just as viable if not more? I guess it would all depend on how well you can use Coral Riptide and Azureblight, your two pigeon holed sets for high end.

I think banner would make magicka arcanist worse, actually. Banner decreases your recovery by 33% I think. So with ceph flail, 2 med sets, 33% less recovery, and mostly mag skills, I could see a magarc running out of both resources fairly quickly. I think magarc has just been dead on arrival honestly. As I understand it, its the exact same as stamarc but your sustain is worse for no good reason.

Orbital78

Soarora wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

Koshka wrote: »

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Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

gh

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Toxicity from guilds in trials has driven my wife and I away from the game on multiple occasions. She has played since 2014. Probably not done 5 trials in that time due to the amount of toxic attitudes she had to deal with.

If you can't light weave attack, you will get griefed. Been that way for years upon years now. Light attack weaving literally keeps a portion of the population from enjoying the game.

The arcanist has been a godsend for me. You only have to do a couple of light attacks during a two bar rotation to get your ultimate up. You can also use Empower potions as well.

Ya, I loved mine too till they gutted the magicka arcanist (remember the nerfs done to the class last year becasue stamina was over performing?....that also affected magicka?).

The character now is a pale reflection of what it was. I do better on my HA sorc (sadly)

Stam arcanist is pretty magicky, though. Visually it's pretty much the same as mag arcanist.

I too enjoy my heavy sorc/templar better, but the arcanist is leaps and bounds more powerful in sheer damage with my builds and similar effort. Different playstyle and survivability for me, but it is nice to have two options at least. One I just cannot hit good enough numbers for top end stuff as easily.

I haven't really tried, but with the banner addition couldn't magicka arcs be just as viable if not more? I guess it would all depend on how well you can use Coral Riptide and Azureblight, your two pigeon holed sets for high end.

I think banner would make magicka arcanist worse, actually. Banner decreases your recovery by 33% I think. So with ceph flail, 2 med sets, 33% less recovery, and mostly mag skills, I could see a magarc running out of both resources fairly quickly. I think magarc has just been dead on arrival honestly. As I understand it, its the exact same as stamarc but your sustain is worse for no good reason.

Could be, the mag flail probably needs buffed to match the insanity of the beam. I don't think I have even ever bothered making a magarc. Stam works fine, it actually let me get my vMoL HM and last side achieves with the 3 pad burn.

HatchetHaro

abkam wrote: »

@ZOS_Icy, Please close this topic. None of this makes sense now; it's 100% off-topic.

lmao, you're the one who was complaining about being excluded from runs due to your heavy-attack builds, then when we point out why heavy-attack builds suck, you switch it around and make the entire thread about you not being able to gift on your account, which was also explained (because your account is too young).

abkam wrote: »

We're about to start another pointless war here—because they can't prove anything to me. Sure, they can prove they do more DPS, but they will NOT prove that HA can't handle any HM. And I will stand by my position and fight.

pretend that your heavy-attack build is actually an optimized endgame arcanist dps, but you decide to not cast anything 30% of the time, so you still end up at the same 70% damage ceiling as your heavy-attack build; that is now extra fight time that the rest of the group has to deal with, which means extra mechanics, which means extra chances of dying, which means extra chances of wiping, which means extra chances of not completing the trial.

of course HA builds can handle any HM: that's called being carried! if a group doesn't mind making up for your choice to deal significantly less damage, then more power to you! good luck finding that group, though, because most people don't want dead weight on their teams.

katanagirl1

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

gh

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Toxicity from guilds in trials has driven my wife and I away from the game on multiple occasions. She has played since 2014. Probably not done 5 trials in that time due to the amount of toxic attitudes she had to deal with.

If you can't light weave attack, you will get griefed. Been that way for years upon years now. Light attack weaving literally keeps a portion of the population from enjoying the game.

The arcanist has been a godsend for me. You only have to do a couple of light attacks during a two bar rotation to get your ultimate up. You can also use Empower potions as well.

Ya, I loved mine too till they gutted the magicka arcanist (remember the nerfs done to the class last year becasue stamina was over performing?....that also affected magicka?).

The character now is a pale reflection of what it was. I do better on my HA sorc (sadly)

The build I used had the same skills for both magicka and stamina. All you had to do was switch your max resource pool. Of course you still have to run dual wield on the front bar and a staff on the back bar.

Eightpuppies was the source.

twisttop138

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Toxicity from guilds in trials has driven my wife and I away from the game on multiple occasions. She has played since 2014. Probably not done 5 trials in that time due to the amount of toxic attitudes she had to deal with.

If you can't light weave attack, you will get griefed. Been that way for years upon years now. Light attack weaving literally keeps a portion of the population from enjoying the game.

I think it's finding the right people. I played this game for a long time, ignoring trials because I came to this game to leave the raiding scene behind me as I got older and had kids. Now that I've had a break from raiding from 2012 till now and a break from the game from 2020 I want to give it a go. I held off and found a guild that advertised in chat that sounded interesting. Met the people in discord and they seemed great. They have a minimum DPS required for vet trials. I haven't been able to reach it. I'm trying to get there. First wae 35k then 45 now 60. Still below the requirements. But man I've been on almost every vet trial run since I joined. They are great, relaxed. I'm often one of the only people learning but learning on the job has been great. I've never been made to feel unwelcome or bad. They've taken time to sit with me at the dummy, teach me, watch my parse videos and give pointers. I couldn't be happier. I'm sorry you've had a bad experience but I said all that to say that your group is out there. Don't let some bad people sour you from something you might really enjoy. There's many guilds that do trials trainers. I joined one of those to. Hope to see you out there.

Reginald_leBlem

" I have to share this with all of you. "

"So, I love the HA build, for so many reasons. But right now, I won’t go into detail. I just want to say: I really love HA!"

Good! HA builds can be simple and fun!

"However, as you all know, playing with this build isn’t easy. I mean, of course, the build itself is simple, but being accepted in groups? That’s a whole different story. It’s insanely hard to get into HM content and endgame trials. And since I’ve already completed all my quests, and almost owning all items, there’s not much left for me to do in-game to keep myself entertained."

There are some groups that prefer not to play with oakensoul builds, that's true enough, but there's tons of guilds that don't care.... huh

"So, I did something crazy, I bought another account! Yeah, why not? Time to start all over again.
After leveling up my new character, going through the story, and finally reaching CP160, I started running normal trials. And you won’t believe what I discovered…
Players in normal trials are AMAZING. Seriously. it’s like stepping into a completely different world. Players are friendly, helpful, and just there to have fun. No one cares if you have one bar, two bars, or even if you go in naked. They just want to play the game. And it’s incredible!"

Ah, so it seems you've found your people, very weird you couldn't do that on your main account but I guess if it works for you...


" As a veteran player, all I’ve ever seen in vet trials is toxicity. Players get kicked for having low CP. Others are bullied for their low DPS. And honestly? We, the veteran players, are the ones killing the game. Yep, I finally understand why so many players quit. Veteran content is just way too toxic. "

That.... has not been my experience. Sure there's toxic people here and there, but the raid community is full of people whose goal is to help bring players up into vet and hardmode content.

"On my main account, I have a long list of ignored players, either because I was toxic, they were toxic, or we just ended up ignoring each other. But guess what? In normal trials, some of those same players and I are friends! Why? Because we’re just playing the game for fun. It’s a completely different experience."

THERE IT IS. Look, if you find yourself with a mile long block list because you just can't get along, it's not your build. It just isn't. Maybe you were underperforming and refused all attempts at improvement, maybe you just don't play well with others in an organized raid environment, who knows. But I can 100% guarantee it's a you problem, and it has nothing to do with oakensoul.



" Now, here’s where things get even more frustrating.

On my main account, I have 8k+ Crowns. My wife has 4k+. And yet, we can’t gift them. As you might understand, I can’t play without my merchant, banker, and other essential NPCs. So, I reached out to support and asked them to remove Crowns from my account and use them to gift a Merchant, just a Merchant, to my other account. Support said no. -.-

So now, I have to return to my main account because I literally can’t play the game without NPCs and ESO Plus, I understand that many players can handle this, traveling to a city, selling, returning, and repeating the process. But, I can't (Consequence of years of bad habits in ESO). That means going back to the toxic environment, back to dealing with ignored players, and back to the same frustrating experience."

Actually no it doesn't mean going back to the same toxic environment. You could clear out your friend and guild list and go make new friends. It's a big game. You could even change your username. (Regardless, you should request gifting again on your secondary account later.)

"And you know what? This is 100% ZoS’s fault."

No, it really isn't.

"Why? Because certain addons have made players more obsessed with DPS than actually playing the damn game."

It's not the addons. Also just for the record, Zos doesn't make the addons the community does, and many people find them incredibly helpful for their own improvement. That's how I use them.

"Only normal players and newer players truly enjoy the game for what it is. And for a brief moment, I got to experience that joy too."

You need to sit down and do some serious self reflection.
The problem is not the community as a whole, the problem is once you start pushing vet and hardmode trials, you need to work as a TEAM. And it sounds like you struggle to do that, to the point you made a second account to apparently play with the same people that previously blocked you?
Unless you have reflected on why y'all can't get along and made changes to your own behavior, it is only a matter of time before you are 1) caught or 2) start falling into the same behavior patterns that cost you friendships and raid teams in the first place. That's not on Zos.

Major_Toughness

If you can't play without ESO+, which you said in the original post, why not just buy that on your new account use the ESO+ crowns to get the merchant?

I still don't actually understand what this thread is about. You make like 3 different statements and nothing aligns with eachother.

You can't play without merchant, presumably because you loot everything including trash gear, and vendor it for like 3 gold.

You have bad DPS and are frustrated that raid groups won't compromise to include you, whilst you also won't compromise to play to the groups needs.

You're self-claimed toxic, and now have to deal with the repercussions of that by, having players blocked?

Honestly, I'm so lost. Entire post screams toxic casual.

SwimsWithMemes

@OP


I like the one-bar HA build too. If I meet the DPS check for a group, they would take me. If I don't meet it, they shouldn't have to take me. I don't see why you think HA is targeted.

Reginald_leBlem

strebor2095 wrote: »

@OP


I like the one-bar HA build too. If I meet the DPS check for a group, they would take me. If I don't meet it, they shouldn't have to take me. I don't see why you think HA is targeted.

There are some raid leads that simply do not want oakensoul builds in their teams, regardless of their dps. I won't go into the reasoning, I think it can be a justified stance but certainly isn't always. Since OP specifically called out "hardmode and endgame" trials, I think it's likely he ran into some of the blanket "no oakensoul" rules, they are more common the higher you go.