Whitestrake's Mayhem vs. PvE Events

Veinblood1965

Barovia87 wrote: »

Every Whitestrake, the forums are littered with unhappy PvE players voicing their displeasure at feeling forced to into PvP. And similarly, every Whitestrake, PvP players turn out to remind the PvE players that there’s only this one PvP event. You’ll see a lot of “It’s 2025, in a 10 year old game - look up a PvP build and stop complaining”.

I’d like to preface this by saying: I, personally, like PvP in ESO. My main has x2 primary PvP specs. I enjoy Whitestrake’s. I’ve played since Beta. I have my achieves. I got my Golden Pursuit. This isn’t about me.

The problem, in my opinion, with Whitestrake's Mayhem is that it’s the only event that requires preparation, resources, and setup, in order to have any chance of participating and it not being a painful, ruthless, unpleasant grind.

Yes, essentially every other event is PvE. But essentially every other ticketed event is a participation incentive, and little else. I can’t think of another event that requires you to spec into it. Even ones that require (Normal) Dungeons, or Delve/World bosses can be done “suboptimally” without issue in PvP specs and gear. I know because I’ve done it. A lot. On braindead autopilot.

No, you definitely shouldn’t bring your PvP spec into a Veteran Hardmode DLC Dungeon.

But your PvP spec will do just fine in regular Fungal Grotto. You can eat cake, or visit a shrine in any spec. No one cares. It literally doesn’t matter. No one is forcing PvP players to respec for PvE events. PvP players just there for their tickets can do so without issue the vast, overwhelming majority of the time.

And that’s, I think, the key difference. I see so many rude, out of touch, condescending comments from players who have been playing for YEARS telling frustrated PvE players to “just go look up a PvP build”, and, like…

People may not have the right unlocks in their stickerbooks, &/or have the stockpiled Transmute Crystals to Reconstruct or Trait Swap freely.

People may not have a leveled Crafter, in order to make gear or swap traits.

People may not have the money to invest in buying tradeable PvP gear that they lack, or upgrading the gear they do have.

People may not have the appropriate Skill Lines unlocked at the appropriate level for the requested builds. That’s not even touching Scribing, which is another ocean of STUFF people may not have access to.

That’s not even touching practicing a rotation on a brand-new build long enough to be decent at it.

Of course: some of this isn’t as big a deal on an active 10-year old account because that person has likely already unlocked a lot of things to streamline the process.

“Looking up a build” and then implementing it is often costly, both in terms of in-game resources and time spent. It can be an ordeal, putting a single build together. People hate feeling pressured into spending time and resources on a mode of play they don’t even enjoy in the first place.

And I don’t blame anyone for not liking PvP. Simply put: while I’ve met a lot of wonderful PvPers, it also undeniably attracts larger contingent of jerks. “I don’t want to deal with a bunch of jerks” is a perfectly reasonable position for anyone to hold.

On a similar note, I’ve seen it posted that the universal sign for “I’m a PvE player just here for my Tickets/GP/Endeavors/Whatever” is to block and stand still when attacked in Cyrodiil/Imperial City. I enjoy PvP. I’m happy to engage. But on a whim I decided to test that advice while I was working on my Golden Pursuits this past weekend. When attacked, I’d just stand there holding block. No one respected the “universal sign”. That “advice” seems more like trolling, or at least wildly out of touch.

tl;dr - Whitestrake's Mayhem requires time, resources, and setup that the other events simply don’t and exposes people to a ton a griefing that other events simply don’t. PvE players aren’t mad that PvP players get their one singular event. They’re upset they have to invest so much more time and money to effectively participate than a PvP player does to participate in a PvE event, and then they often get treated like garbage by the dedicated PvP contingent for the effort. PvE players want a PvE option for the PvP Event because the investment is not at all on par with the other events, not because they’re whiners.

I PVP mainly for years now but have to disagree. Before I PVPed I got ganked all over the place the first few days. I googled options and it was no longer a headache. Just log into the NO-CP zones in IC and Cyr and there's rarely anyone there. I do the same now just to avoid the headache on the quests so i don't have to fight everyone(I can hold my own now).

Go to NON-CP Cryodiil, go to Bruma complete a quest, take another but don't turn that in until the next day. You can also take one of the "go to a delve quests" there and do that and turn it in on the third day.

Go to NON-CP IC legions or something. Never anyone there. Take all six quests, complete and turn in one. Finish the others and just turn them in over the next five days, rinse and repeat. You might get killed once or twice but it's not an issue like it is on the CP servers.

Desiato

It's not an apples to apples comparison.

There are different categories of events and this one is in a category of its own because it relates to an aspect of the game so different from the others.

I also think the goals for this event are different than most others. They want to expose new players to pvp. This means players can't just go through the motions like they can for other events.

There are countless anecdotes about players who didn't think pvp was for them until this event pushed them out of their comfort zone. I think that's key.

Furthermore, I recognize this event isn't for everyone. So? That's a normal part of life in any community. There should be no problem in sitting out events one does not prefer. I think that's why zos offers so many event tickets through the course of a year.

Oh, you're a completionist? Well, that's on you. One can't expect every aspect of the game to be watered down to fit their life and play styles for the sake of completionism. Personally, I want everything too, but that's not practical or my best path to contentment, so I put it into perspective and skip some things I do not prefer.

Soraka

Nathanbreakfast wrote: »

I also have had very little success times I've tried to block to show I'm trying to quest, but I tend to try to respect it when I see it. Unfortunately, a large mass of players can't be expected to follow a rule

What rule are you referring to? Are you suggesting that there is an unwritten "rule" that I have to let you pass if you hold block? Since were making up rules now I'll tell you one of mine. You enter a warzone, you are the enemy, you may be holding riches, therefore you must die. If you don't desire this outcome you're free to outfit your character and attempt to kill me in return. If you're successful, this should make it easier for you go about your questing, If not, it looks like you'll have to go to the countless other non-warzone areas in the game where you're free to go about your adventure peacefully.

Looks like I'm getting a very serious response to a general poor word choice, I guess. I'm not actually suggesting there's any rule anyone has to follow lol...I'm almost exclusively PvP, I was responding to the OPs comment about trying the thing people say to do to put up block to "signal" you're trying to quest. I literally said you can't expect people to follow it. It's worth a shot and some people do respect it.

Calastir

Lots of PvP preachers hell bent on a mission to convert souls to their side of the pantheon.
Now I don't know about my fellow PvE'ers but I for one am ok, really. So rather flip your builds around and join us on the PvE side!

In the long run, helping your fellow men feels more rewarding than steamrolling them over and over again. Try it.

JemadarofCaerSalis

AzuraFan wrote: »

I'm not a PvPer by any stretch of the imagination. But I've been in IC and Cyrodiil a lot since the event started. I've completed a lot of the holiday event achievements for Mayhem (just need the IC roaming bosses now and hoping to get the last two I need at some point). I'll probably also get the Golden Pursuits capstone. When I'm in those zones, I'm in full PvE gear and if I happen to run into an opposing player when I'm alone, I go down pretty quickly. I usually don't bother even trying to fight back.

But I'm usually with a large group, either because I'm doing a guild event, or I chose a campaign with a lot of my faction and just followed the crowd.

You need 0 preparation to participate in this event and get event tickets and the GP rewards, if you don't mind dying. Dying is painless in IC. Just bank your telvar occasionally by going back to homebase. If you die, release, you're back home, go back up the ladder, done. It's more painful in Cyrodiil because of the lousy travel system, but still pretty painless.

Really, as a non-PvPer who has no interest in getting gud and folds quickly in a fight, I've been enjoying this event and see no reason why any PvE-er can't participate with 0 preparation. I even used sieges for the first time lol.

The only thing I don't like is when I'm in Cyrodiil, clearly questing and away from any scuffles, and someone ganks me. I know there's nothing wrong with it, but to me there's a difference between "can do" and "should do." It's just not sportsmanlike (I'd rather use another word but can't here).

Recently in IC, I was running with a BIG guild group, and occasionally the leader would say something like, "red over there, but they're questing, ride by." And we would. Great guild culture.

There is no cause for complaint from PvE-ers for this event. Just accept that you'll die, be smart about moving around in those zones, and you'll do fine and maybe even enjoy yourself a little. PvP still isn't my cup of tea, but there's lots to do without killing others. Most of the holiday achievements and GP goals can be done without killing another player.

This is how I feel.

I don't do PvP, but because I wanted the action, I decided to try it, not expecting to get the rewards, and I actually managed to get them.

Most of the time it was just a matter of finding campaigns where my faction had majority control and there were few others in it.

But I also definitely agree with the bolded part. There were several times I was just riding along and all of a sudden I was moving in the opposite direction and suddenly couldn't move at all and died. That is the part I disliked. If I am in the thick of things and get killed, sure, I expect it. I wouldn't mind it so much if Cyrodiil's travel system was better or I could just revive where I was, but I can't, I usually then had to retrace my steps to get back to where I was going.

Also, I never knew about the whole 'block to show questing' thing. Maybe that is why I managed to get away from one of the players in IC. I was in a corner and ran into someone, but didn't want to die, so I threw up block and backed off and then took off as quick as I could, but was surprised when the player didn't chase me (as many would)

Smitch_59

I used to grind scouting missions during PVP events, but this time around there's no rewards that I desire enough to bother. Same with the current Golden Pursuits. I don't begrudge PVPers having PVP events, and I'm not complaining. I simply choose to sit this one out. It's all good.

Ryori729

I am confused by a few people that say you can do this with no preparation then they proceeded to outline the preparation. You either PvP before or during, it is still PvP. If you mean a PvP build, then yes, you can get tickets. I play a mix of chars that are setup for PvE and PvP - just give yourself a little more health and pick and choose your fights.

But as to the overall issue of PvP events. I have PvPed in a number of different games so some elements aren't a big deal to me. For me personally this isn't a PvP vs PvE situation. It is a PvP - where it is Player vs Performance.

My second BG of the event crashed. At times in BG it has become stop motion play. I would swear it is certain players when they get in melee range, but hard to tell what's what with a 1 fps rate. I have not been in Cyrodiil at prime time because I didn't want to wait for my home campaign but with just a handful of people I saw lag. And a guildmate who is all about PvP is avoiding Grey Host because it was largely unplayable for him. Even at times when IC isn't that populated I see people just "teleporting" around because of the lag - hard to target someone when your screen and the server are a few seconds apart. Not stop motion, just some people move normally and then others just seem to appear somewhere else - not a skill, just lag for some people.

Again, this is just my experience on Xbox so your situation may vary. But for me, I enjoy the event, then it becomes unplayable and I ignore the event for the rest of the day and I question why BGs are worse now then when I started playing 7 years ago (fewer crashes, but more lag).

AvalonRanger

Barovia87 wrote: »

Every Whitestrake, the forums are littered with unhappy PvE players voicing their displeasure at feeling forced to into PvP. And similarly, every Whitestrake, PvP players turn out to remind the PvE players that there’s only this one PvP event. You’ll see a lot of “It’s 2025, in a 10 year old game - look up a PvP build and stop complaining”.

I’d like to preface this by saying: I, personally, like PvP in ESO. My main has x2 primary PvP specs. I enjoy Whitestrake’s. I’ve played since Beta. I have my achieves. I got my Golden Pursuit. This isn’t about me.

The problem, in my opinion, with Whitestrake's Mayhem is that it’s the only event that requires preparation, resources, and setup, in order to have any chance of participating and it not being a painful, ruthless, unpleasant grind.

Yes, essentially every other event is PvE. But essentially every other ticketed event is a participation incentive, and little else. I can’t think of another event that requires you to spec into it. Even ones that require (Normal) Dungeons, or Delve/World bosses can be done “suboptimally” without issue in PvP specs and gear. I know because I’ve done it. A lot. On braindead autopilot.

No, you definitely shouldn’t bring your PvP spec into a Veteran Hardmode DLC Dungeon.

But your PvP spec will do just fine in regular Fungal Grotto. You can eat cake, or visit a shrine in any spec. No one cares. It literally doesn’t matter. No one is forcing PvP players to respec for PvE events. PvP players just there for their tickets can do so without issue the vast, overwhelming majority of the time.

And that’s, I think, the key difference. I see so many rude, out of touch, condescending comments from players who have been playing for YEARS telling frustrated PvE players to “just go look up a PvP build”, and, like…

People may not have the right unlocks in their stickerbooks, &/or have the stockpiled Transmute Crystals to Reconstruct or Trait Swap freely.

People may not have a leveled Crafter, in order to make gear or swap traits.

People may not have the money to invest in buying tradeable PvP gear that they lack, or upgrading the gear they do have.

People may not have the appropriate Skill Lines unlocked at the appropriate level for the requested builds. That’s not even touching Scribing, which is another ocean of STUFF people may not have access to.

That’s not even touching practicing a rotation on a brand-new build long enough to be decent at it.

Of course: some of this isn’t as big a deal on an active 10-year old account because that person has likely already unlocked a lot of things to streamline the process.

“Looking up a build” and then implementing it is often costly, both in terms of in-game resources and time spent. It can be an ordeal, putting a single build together. People hate feeling pressured into spending time and resources on a mode of play they don’t even enjoy in the first place.

And I don’t blame anyone for not liking PvP. Simply put: while I’ve met a lot of wonderful PvPers, it also undeniably attracts larger contingent of jerks. “I don’t want to deal with a bunch of jerks” is a perfectly reasonable position for anyone to hold.

On a similar note, I’ve seen it posted that the universal sign for “I’m a PvE player just here for my Tickets/GP/Endeavors/Whatever” is to block and stand still when attacked in Cyrodiil/Imperial City. I enjoy PvP. I’m happy to engage. But on a whim I decided to test that advice while I was working on my Golden Pursuits this past weekend. When attacked, I’d just stand there holding block. No one respected the “universal sign”. That “advice” seems more like trolling, or at least wildly out of touch.

tl;dr - Whitestrake's Mayhem requires time, resources, and setup that the other events simply don’t and exposes people to a ton a griefing that other events simply don’t. PvE players aren’t mad that PvP players get their one singular event. They’re upset they have to invest so much more time and money to effectively participate than a PvP player does to participate in a PvE event, and then they often get treated like garbage by the dedicated PvP contingent for the effort. PvE players want a PvE option for the PvP Event because the investment is not at all on par with the other events, not because they’re whiners.

"... with unhappy PvE players voicing their displeasure at feeling forced to into PvP"

Oh boy...this again. Correctly say..."unhappy player who want to play "true PVP game" complain
against forced to into ESO PVP.

Real PVP game doesn't need such a "PVP build" things.

AvalonRanger

Not only game design, but also level design of ESO PVP is wrong.

There're so many of "strange vast open field" at the PVP map. Basically, this game
is automatic aiming. Just cut the shooting line more carefully by the level structure.

Gingaroth

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

I PVP mainly for years now but have to disagree. Before I PVPed I got ganked all over the place the first few days. I googled options and it was no longer a headache. Just log into the NO-CP zones in IC and Cyr and there's rarely anyone there. I do the same now just to avoid the headache on the quests so i don't have to fight everyone(I can hold my own now).

Go to NON-CP Cryodiil, go to Bruma complete a quest, take another but don't turn that in until the next day. You can also take one of the "go to a delve quests" there and do that and turn it in on the third day.

Go to NON-CP IC legions or something. Never anyone there. Take all six quests, complete and turn in one. Finish the others and just turn them in over the next five days, rinse and repeat. You might get killed once or twice but it's not an issue like it is on the CP servers.

I don't know which No-CP campaigns you play or when, but your experience is definitely not the same as mine. I just left one in frustration again. There were plenty of people present. Unfortunataly, most of them were.. how to put this.. most unsportsmanlike.

I've PvP'd plenty of times before. I'm not good, but usually I manage. Occasionaly, I win, and I don't mind loosing in a fair fight I willingly enter.

This campaign was not that. It consisted of 10 to 15 players of all 3 factions standing safely on their own platforms, collectively heavy attacking any other-faction player who wandered into their range. Oh, and the usual gankers at quest points, sewer entrances and such. Only about 10%, and I'm being generous, was actually trying to do quests, hunt Horrors, or conquer districts. I did not die "once or twice', but somewhere between 10 and 20 times.

So I left with only 4 quests completed. More than enough to get my tickets for one day, and I'll get my Golden Persuit as well, but I wouldn't call it fun.

SeaGtGruff

darvaria wrote: »

1) Get an event ticket from IC, the one where you simply go up a ladder and "plant your Alliance flag". This can be done multiple times and multiple characters.

I tried that this evening and it doesn't work. You get a very small amount of gold/XP, but no Tel Var, no event coffer, and no event ticket. The IC scouting quests where you plant your faction's flag at the "safe spots" in the districts are zone storyline quests, not repeatable quests. I don't know if it used to work but got changed a while back, or what, but it doesn't work now.

VoxAdActa

I always respect the block/block+bash signal from enemy players. I know how incredibly frustrating it is to just need to turn in one more quest and run into a group trying to flip Cropsford. Or trying to get out-of-the way skyshards only to get ganked during the animation.

It's not fun, and I don't like it when it happens to me, so I don't do it to other people.

If someone's not here to fight, I'm not going to cut them down just because I can. They're probably underleveled, undergeared, and entirely unprepared; there's no honor or sense of accomplishment in that "fight."

I also agree that IC is the most maddening game mode ever. I guess envy people with the patience required to sit in sneak in range of the sewer entrance for as long as it takes for someone who looks squishy to come into view, but I don't see how that's anything to be pleased with onesself over.

necro_the_crafter

Funniest thing for me during the event its just to start running at radom quester and see them panicking, just to perform some silly emote and disengage.

Soarora

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

darvaria wrote: »

1) Get an event ticket from IC, the one where you simply go up a ladder and "plant your Alliance flag". This can be done multiple times and multiple characters.

I tried that this evening and it doesn't work. You get a very small amount of gold/XP, but no Tel Var, no event coffer, and no event ticket. The IC scouting quests where you plant your faction's flag at the "safe spots" in the districts are zone storyline quests, not repeatable quests. I don't know if it used to work but got changed a while back, or what, but it doesn't work now.

You can only turn in one of them for rewards a day. I go up the ladder, grab the quest, then down the ladder, next area, grab the quest, etc etc.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

I've never gone into MYM with anything other than my PvE gear. If the map is favorable to my alliance I go to a PvE quest hub to run quests to get my tickets and maybe an extra rewards box or two.

If the map isn't favorable and I don't have time to try again later I will pickup a scouting quest. For the scouting quest I spend most of my time going cross country where they risk of coming across players from another alliance is rare. When I have to go through a choke point where I believe enemy alliances might be nearby I use stealth potion to clear it. Once I've finished the task if I'm lucky I'll find some enemy players who will kill me for a quick return otherwise I ride back the way I came.

Either way my experience has been that it is rare to actually have to worry about PvP unless I am following battles or going near areas where fights are taking place. For the most part when going to PvE locations I can do my PvE stuff and be left alone. The exception is the random gankers that like to camp quest givers but to be honest it doesn't usually take but a few PvE types to chase them off. For the rare higher skilled ones calling them out in zone chat usually brings a PvP type or two to help send the ganker on their way.

As to IC I never figured it worth my time for a single ticket but on the rare occasions I go there it usually isn't hard to find a ball group for my alliance and tag along with them.

Orbital78

opethmaniac wrote: »

Barovia87 wrote: »

On a similar note, I’ve seen it posted that the universal sign for “I’m a PvE player just here for my Tickets/DP/Endeavors/Whatever” is to block and stand still when attacked in Cyrodiil/Imperial City. I enjoy PvP. I’m happy to engage. But on a whim I decided to test that advice while I was working on my Golden Pursuits this past weekend. When attacked, I’d just stand there holding block. No one respected the “universal sign”. That “advice” seems more like trolling, or at least wildly out of touch.

I the villages of Cyrodiil I left obvious PVEers alone and let them doing their quests. But in IC (the most dangerous and toxic PVP environment ingame), there is the benefit of getting (free) TelVar for killing unprepared (PVE) player. So expect no mercy there from everyone.

You mean people don't use Tel Var Saver addon? Tel Var has lost much of its value to me personally so I don't really bother too much with it.

I am a 99% PVE player and only go in to Cyro to one and done or farm boxes. Personally I don't really care that there is a PVP focused event. I can do very well during the event running PVE builds for the most part, if I see a DC or AD player hunting in the sewers, just hit my hot key and it will teleport me out shortly.

I did setup a semi pvp build for one of my alts, and made a half million AP and such and leveled some supports alliance war skill lines. MMR seems pretty weird in the new BG's but I was getting a ton of boxes and much quicker than Cyrodiil. If I joined an organized group pvd'ing I'm sure I could have done decent in CYro too but didn't feel like it.

You basically lose nothing in BG other than time, IC you almost lose nothing and even more so if you don't open tel var boxes until you've teleported to a safe spot. People will whine just to whine on the forums, it will never change. If someone opts to not do the event because they don't enjoy it, I respect that. It is easy to do well in the event without really trying though, I haven't once had issues getting all my style pages and tickets every day.

Rkindaleft

Calastir wrote: »

Amazing. It's almost like nobody wants to be forced to play a game they don't enjoy.

I don't know why anyone thinks they're "forced" to do anything when it comes to events. If you don't like PvP just don't do the event. You don't have to get every event ticket or every single pursuit at all times and it's good we have different events for different playstyles.

If you want to get the tickets just do the scouting mission. It takes like 5 minutes to run somewhere and then suicide to get back to the alliance base for turn in.

buzzclops

Nathanbreakfast wrote: »

So much discussion over something so trivial. If you don't like it, just don't do the event. It's not that complicated. It's very funny to me how many players speak of this in the context that they MUST do the event and whatever various forces are making it difficult MUST be addressed. The entitlement is insane. You're playing a video game.

This pretty much

Sluggy wrote: »

I mean, what is your suggestion here? That PvP should be fundamentally changed so that no one has to build for it? That we should have a different form of PvP only for the event? Anyone can participate at any time with anything they chose. And they might even have some success from time-to-time but if they want to maximize that chance of success then I think it's fair to expect some level of adapting to the content in the same way, as your example shows, you would for a vet trial.

And it's not like PvP is only active during this event, you can participate at any time during the year. There is plenty of time to unlock skills, try out builds, spec and respec to your heart's delight. Sure, you'll miss out on the double AP rewards but that's not something likely to matter in the long run anyway.

“Vengeance campaign?”

Also, the argument that not everyone can afford or has what it takes to make a PvP build is laughable. When I made the swap from ps4 to pc I had nothing literally and I managed to get a full entry PvP set for like 30k golds and farmed some of the mats myself. Had someone from a guild craft it for me. Wretched vitality with hearth lands conqueror full purple with gold weps. Lasted me like 400-500s cps while I was getting the rest (mythics monster sets and ressources)

freespirit

Ok so I have PVP geared characters but I've been a bit busy and too lazy to log on to them.

So with no pre-prep I have done one town quest everyday in Chorrol(I'm DC) handed it in ported to IC and gone up the ladder to the Arena and freed 12 prisoners without leaving the platform.....

IC is a bit cheesy and slow but I just wanted my tickets.

Oh and one night when presented with a totally blue map I did the three sets of town quests for the pursuits.

All on my crafter wearing Mother's Sorrow and Julianos and all purple.....

I mean the prep was sooooo intense and not an enemy in sight!!

TaSheen

@Barovia87 - well put, and an appreciated POV. I won't ever pvp again (done with that in WoW and RIFT, years back now) - and just right now for reasons.... I don't even need tickets.

Live long and prosper! I personally think you rock.

SeaGtGruff

Soarora wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

darvaria wrote: »

1) Get an event ticket from IC, the one where you simply go up a ladder and "plant your Alliance flag". This can be done multiple times and multiple characters.

I tried that this evening and it doesn't work. You get a very small amount of gold/XP, but no Tel Var, no event coffer, and no event ticket. The IC scouting quests where you plant your faction's flag at the "safe spots" in the districts are zone storyline quests, not repeatable quests. I don't know if it used to work but got changed a while back, or what, but it doesn't work now.

You can only turn in one of them for rewards a day. I go up the ladder, grab the quest, then down the ladder, next area, grab the quest, etc etc.

Oh, I know that. I always do at least one IC district daily quest during these PvP events, and sometimes two or more.

But I thought @darvaria was talking about the IC scouting quests, which are different than the IC district daily quests:

you simply go up a ladder and "plant your Alliance flag".

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Scouting_the_Arboretum

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Scouting_the_Arena_District

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Scouting_the_Elven_Gardens

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Scouting_the_Memorial_District

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Scouting_the_Nobles_District

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Scouting_the_Temple_District

I had never thought of getting the IC tickets that way, and thought it would be the ideal way for some players to get their daily event ticket from IC without having to endanger themselves. Unfortunately, if those are indeed the quests referred to (and I do not know any others where you simply climb up the ladder into a district and "plant your Alliance flag), their quest markers are not the blue "repeatable" quest markers, but the fancy 'zone questline" quest markers.

opethmaniac

Orbital78 wrote: »

opethmaniac wrote: »

Barovia87 wrote: »

On a similar note, I’ve seen it posted that the universal sign for “I’m a PvE player just here for my Tickets/DP/Endeavors/Whatever” is to block and stand still when attacked in Cyrodiil/Imperial City. I enjoy PvP. I’m happy to engage. But on a whim I decided to test that advice while I was working on my Golden Pursuits this past weekend. When attacked, I’d just stand there holding block. No one respected the “universal sign”. That “advice” seems more like trolling, or at least wildly out of touch.

I the villages of Cyrodiil I left obvious PVEers alone and let them doing their quests. But in IC (the most dangerous and toxic PVP environment ingame), there is the benefit of getting (free) TelVar for killing unprepared (PVE) player. So expect no mercy there from everyone.

You mean people don't use Tel Var Saver addon? Tel Var has lost much of its value to me personally so I don't really bother too much with it.

I am a 99% PVE player and only go in to Cyro to one and done or farm boxes. Personally I don't really care that there is a PVP focused event. I can do very well during the event running PVE builds for the most part, if I see a DC or AD player hunting in the sewers, just hit my hot key and it will teleport me out shortly.

I did setup a semi pvp build for one of my alts, and made a half million AP and such and leveled some supports alliance war skill lines. MMR seems pretty weird in the new BG's but I was getting a ton of boxes and much quicker than Cyrodiil. If I joined an organized group pvd'ing I'm sure I could have done decent in CYro too but didn't feel like it.

You basically lose nothing in BG other than time, IC you almost lose nothing and even more so if you don't open tel var boxes until you've teleported to a safe spot. People will whine just to whine on the forums, it will never change. If someone opts to not do the event because they don't enjoy it, I respect that. It is easy to do well in the event without really trying though, I haven't once had issues getting all my style pages and tickets every day.

I don't understand your intention for your answer to me personally.

I am a passionate PVP player myself (I spend at least 90% of my in-game time there) and I also spend a lot of time in IC, farming unsuspecting PVE players.

Believe me, there are often clueless players there who sometimes run around with 10K+ TelVar. When I knock out such a player, I sometimes whisper to them with tips on how to secure their precious loot. Sometimes they write back with thanks, sometimes I don't get a reply. If I know that this or every player still has half the loot (or could have), why should I miss out on it?

PS: I didn't know that there was an extra add-on for porting out; I think it's unnecessary, but I learned something new

Alaya

I'm a PvE player, but during MYM I will pick up a PvP build and give it a whirl. Sometimes, I'm successful in BGs with it, sometimes I'm not. I'll admit I'm not great when it comes to IC/Cyro even with said build...

That being said, I already know that by stepping into those zones, I'm open and fair game. It's alright, nothing to worry too much about. If I get into trouble in IC, I just switch to the other one, and give that a go.

This MYM I've seen several kinds of PvPers. The chill type who I know just saw me in stealth and left me alone, and the ones who've seen me and already have taken action to nab me, but mainly? I've been largely left alone. I already know, despite having a build, that I can't use it effectively, even if it is my playstyle, because I am kinda slow.

The other thing is, there's some members of your own alliance that will purposely stand on you while you're stealthed just do that they don't have die alone or something. I've had at least a couple of people do that.

Anyways, I don't really -need- the tickets for this event, I want them because I want to be able to get the yesteryear bags. That's it. A 15-20 minute romp for BOTH (if I'm lucky). I've got the path memorized for the IC district one, so it's easy for me to complete, without too much of a hassle. Cyro, I just grab the scouting, hop one or three times through campaigns til I find one where my alliance holds the nearest keep, speedy mount goes zoom, get there, do the thing, port out. Done.

I can understand the pain of my fellow PvErs, but, if you just think of it as a roaming trial boss/es and get taken out, you can just go back and repeat and usually, depending on the map, the one who nabbed you is gone. At least that's how I see it, anyways. Not the best player, but I do at least try.

Monte_Cristo

I can't speak for others, but I go into Cyro with the same gear as I use in every other zone. If I die, I die.

emilyhyoyeon

Almost every post missing OP's point LOL

Veinblood1965

I do want to add that it was NOT an event that got me into PvP it was for getting the faster mount speed skill. It takes a while. I was just doing daily quests to get the skill line up bu decided to join a group one day and got hooked. Been there for years now.

On a 365 days a year basis versus an even basis if ZoS put some PVE incentives that take a while to obtain and require a group to make it quicker in Cyrodiil or IC like the mount speed and war horn more people would venture in 365 days a year.

BretonMage

Yeah, the barriers to entry for PVP are enormous, and even if you manage to cobble together a build, the learning curve is very steep. You can't really learn by doing, like you do in PVE, because when someone kills you in a few seconds, there's not much you can learn.

Having said that I still manage to find my way to PVE during MYM, largely, though I will get killed sometimes. In fact, I enjoy MYM quite a bit when I can just go to a low population server and do my own thing (which isn't really the spirit of PVP, I know, but oh well).

Carcamongus

If you want to do well in PvP, preparation is necessary. It's also true if you want to do well in vet content, a different sort of preparation is necessary. However, one doesn't need to become emperor to handle Mayhem, same as one doesn't need the latest gear to run the Undaunted event. Heck, my old PvP "build" was so obsolete and lame I didn't bother putting it on this time. Instead I just stuck a post-it to my weapon written "pointy side towards the enemy" just to prevent accidental seppuku. Your fortunes do depend a bit more on other people's actions, such as how it's much easier to quest if your alliance has more territory. Perhaps the difference with other events isn't so much about preparation, but how other players can get in the way of one's goals (especially in Gankopolis, formerly known during better times as Imperial City).

A solution would be for a PvE-only Cyrodiil to be spun off, so only people who really wanted to engage in PvP would go for the campaigns. I'm not sure that would work for IC, though, as that place is nasty by design.

Juomuuri

Before I really did PvP, I would do Mayhem by just doing either the medal or complete 5 matches BG daily, to get 2 tickets. I didn't touch IC so I lost the third ticket for the whole event. I think this BG cheesing for tickets is achievable to everyone, even to those who don't have PvP builds. You'll lose on ticket per day but it's still better than getting no tickets. I've seen so many people doing BGs in PvE gear/builds, and trying their best. I don't mind losing due to having players in PvE gear in matches, they just want their tickets and that's fine by me.

The best tip for those who don't wanna do IC during Mayhem but still want their tickets is to do the dailies on 2 characters and then not turn them in until the event starts, and then just turn in a daily per day for the third ticket. Probably for the best to do them during morning hours on a weekday. (Sorry if this was mentioned, I'm too lazy to read all the long comments.)

Kahnak

TheMajority wrote: »

PVP players have to put out time and resources that are more than a just PVE player all year round, they have to learn to PVE on expert levels AND PVP on expert levels in order to be effective all year all day, to do what they love, so I don't think it's much to ask that if you want to PVP to actually do preparation like they did already to get rewards.

"players have to put out time and resources that are more than a just PVE player all year round, they have to learn to PVE on expert levels AND PVP on expert levels in order to be effective all year all day,"

PVPers flailing around impotently in base game veteran dungeons taxing the good will of PVE players is not "learning PVE on expert levels". If you think the average PVPer is 'preparing themselves' in order to participate in PVE, think again.