Whitestrake's Mayhem vs. PvE Events

Barovia87

Every Whitestrake, the forums are littered with unhappy PvE players voicing their displeasure at feeling forced to into PvP. And similarly, every Whitestrake, PvP players turn out to remind the PvE players that there’s only this one PvP event. You’ll see a lot of “It’s 2025, in a 10 year old game - look up a PvP build and stop complaining”.

I’d like to preface this by saying: I, personally, like PvP in ESO. My main has x2 primary PvP specs. I enjoy Whitestrake’s. I’ve played since Beta. I have my achieves. I got my Golden Pursuit. This isn’t about me.

The problem, in my opinion, with Whitestrake's Mayhem is that it’s the only event that requires preparation, resources, and setup, in order to have any chance of participating and it not being a painful, ruthless, unpleasant grind.

Yes, essentially every other event is PvE. But essentially every other ticketed event is a participation incentive, and little else. I can’t think of another event that requires you to spec into it. Even ones that require (Normal) Dungeons, or Delve/World bosses can be done “suboptimally” without issue in PvP specs and gear. I know because I’ve done it. A lot. On braindead autopilot.

No, you definitely shouldn’t bring your PvP spec into a Veteran Hardmode DLC Dungeon.

But your PvP spec will do just fine in regular Fungal Grotto. You can eat cake, or visit a shrine in any spec. No one cares. It literally doesn’t matter. No one is forcing PvP players to respec for PvE events. PvP players just there for their tickets can do so without issue the vast, overwhelming majority of the time.

And that’s, I think, the key difference. I see so many rude, out of touch, condescending comments from players who have been playing for YEARS telling frustrated PvE players to “just go look up a PvP build”, and, like…

People may not have the right unlocks in their stickerbooks, &/or have the stockpiled Transmute Crystals to Reconstruct or Trait Swap freely.

People may not have a leveled Crafter, in order to make gear or swap traits.

People may not have the money to invest in buying tradeable PvP gear that they lack, or upgrading the gear they do have.

People may not have the appropriate Skill Lines unlocked at the appropriate level for the requested builds. That’s not even touching Scribing, which is another ocean of STUFF people may not have access to.

That’s not even touching practicing a rotation on a brand-new build long enough to be decent at it.

Of course: some of this isn’t as big a deal on an active 10-year old account because that person has likely already unlocked a lot of things to streamline the process.

“Looking up a build” and then implementing it is often costly, both in terms of in-game resources and time spent. It can be an ordeal, putting a single build together. People hate feeling pressured into spending time and resources on a mode of play they don’t even enjoy in the first place.

And I don’t blame anyone for not liking PvP. Simply put: while I’ve met a lot of wonderful PvPers, it also undeniably attracts larger contingent of jerks. “I don’t want to deal with a bunch of jerks” is a perfectly reasonable position for anyone to hold.

On a similar note, I’ve seen it posted that the universal sign for “I’m a PvE player just here for my Tickets/GP/Endeavors/Whatever” is to block and stand still when attacked in Cyrodiil/Imperial City. I enjoy PvP. I’m happy to engage. But on a whim I decided to test that advice while I was working on my Golden Pursuits this past weekend. When attacked, I’d just stand there holding block. No one respected the “universal sign”. That “advice” seems more like trolling, or at least wildly out of touch.

tl;dr - Whitestrake's Mayhem requires time, resources, and setup that the other events simply don’t and exposes people to a ton a griefing that other events simply don’t. PvE players aren’t mad that PvP players get their one singular event. They’re upset they have to invest so much more time and money to effectively participate than a PvP player does to participate in a PvE event, and then they often get treated like garbage by the dedicated PvP contingent for the effort. PvE players want a PvE option for the PvP Event because the investment is not at all on par with the other events, not because they’re whiners.

opethmaniac

Barovia87 wrote: »

On a similar note, I’ve seen it posted that the universal sign for “I’m a PvE player just here for my Tickets/DP/Endeavors/Whatever” is to block and stand still when attacked in Cyrodiil/Imperial City. I enjoy PvP. I’m happy to engage. But on a whim I decided to test that advice while I was working on my Golden Pursuits this past weekend. When attacked, I’d just stand there holding block. No one respected the “universal sign”. That “advice” seems more like trolling, or at least wildly out of touch.

I the villages of Cyrodiil I left obvious PVEers alone and let them doing their quests. But in IC (the most dangerous and toxic PVP environment ingame), there is the benefit of getting (free) TelVar for killing unprepared (PVE) player. So expect no mercy there from everyone.

Nathanbreakfast

So much discussion over something so trivial. If you don't like it, just don't do the event. It's not that complicated. It's very funny to me how many players speak of this in the context that they MUST do the event and whatever various forces are making it difficult MUST be addressed. The entitlement is insane. You're playing a video game.

Sluggy

I mean, what is your suggestion here? That PvP should be fundamentally changed so that no one has to build for it? That we should have a different form of PvP only for the event? Anyone can participate at any time with anything they chose. And they might even have some success from time-to-time but if they want to maximize that chance of success then I think it's fair to expect some level of adapting to the content in the same way, as your example shows, you would for a vet trial.

And it's not like PvP is only active during this event, you can participate at any time during the year. There is plenty of time to unlock skills, try out builds, spec and respec to your heart's delight. Sure, you'll miss out on the double AP rewards but that's not something likely to matter in the long run anyway.

Calastir

Amazing. It's almost like nobody wants to be forced to play a game they don't enjoy.

Barovia87

For the record, nowhere did I complain that PvP requires PvP builds. I stated that in my opinion the reason people complain about Whitestrake's Mayhem is that literally every single other event can be done just by showing up - in any old build. Ticketed Events have been established that community participation is the goal. No one has to do homework on their build or shell out a bunch of time &/or resources for New Life, or to eat cake at Jubilee, etc.

Again: I enjoy Whitestrake's Mayhem. I have PvP builds. I do just fine, thanks. But I don't blame anyone who doesn't enjoy PvP for being frustrated. It's the only event with so much homework and unavoidable griefing.

If they're going to establish Events as primarily participatory, I think they should bring Whitestrake's Mayhem in line with the low-effort accessibility of the other PvE events. I think if they want to minimize griping they should have something like a "War Effort Donation" option for PvE players who don't want to PvP. They can turn in raw or refined base materials at at their bases in Cyro/IC if they'd prefer not to be ganker fodder. Which would still mean an associated (optional!) cost to skipping PvP during the PvP event, but nothing insane. Under that sort of system, people at least feel they have a choice to opt in or out of PvP toxicity if they still want the FOMO. And donating resources to your alliance seems perfectly reasonable, thematically speaking, as a PvP-less option in a PvP event.

valenwood_vegan

I did the absolute bare minimum to get 10 tickets for the new impressario fragment and am skipping the rest and focusing on things in eso I do enjoy, or other games for the week and a half.

It's fine, really. The game will be here when the event ends and everything will go on.

Can easily make up the "lost" tickets during new life if necessary, and the style pages are already fairly cheap on traders.

The only thing that might convince them to make changes is low participation, so vote with your feet. If enough people enjoy pvp and enjoy the event, they're not going to change anything. If they see declining interest maybe they will. (But still, it's been 11 years so probably not).

I get OP's point about other events being participatory and mayhem being the exception, but I'm not sure what they should do about it while keeping it as a pvp event.

A lot of players who are kinda "on the fence" with pvp but currently participate would gladly do any easy pve task for tickets and event participation would likely drop drastically. On the other hand, I see complaints from pve players about having to pvp... and also from pvp players angry that these "useless" players are just "taking up space" in "their" servers... so maybe offering a pve alternative isn't the worst idea. I really don't think the community or the devs actually have much interest in ways to make pvp more accessible or interesting or enjoyable for more casual players.

TL;DR: I doubt any change is coming, just skip it.

Soarora

But people can do MYM without PvPing, they just need to prepare first (stock up on completed cyro and ic quests before the event), get a group together to quest, or not care about dying (in imperial city, I grab all the quests and move around so I don’t linger in deadly places, and losing 1k tel var is whatever). This is coming from someone who in previous years would do the PvE quests ahead of time and then just turn them in during MYM, avoiding PvP. Doing imperial city quests before the event was actually quite nice as often people were doing the same, didn’t run into much PvP.

It’s not that you need a build for MYM, but the problem is people are so afraid of PvP that they don’t want to try, or they won’t adapt around the occasional death. I’m a PvEr, I used to hate PvP quite a bit until my PvE build got good enough to kill people, but I have no sympathy for the “we need PvE MYM” complaints. Skip the event or stock up on quests before it starts.

Arizona_Steve

I'm one of those casual almost exclusively PVE players that has absolutely no issue with the PVP guys having an event of their own. My participation is limited to doing scouting and fighters guild quests to get the two daily tickets from Cyrodiil, both of which are essentially PVE activities and avoid other players.

On the rare occasions I do join in on the PVP side, I go in with the understanding that I am ill-equipped for it, I suck at it and will get killed... a lot.

Did get credit for an Emperor kill last year, so I have that going for me at least.

AcadianPaladin

I've actually been pleased to see very little complaining from us PvEers over the fact that there is two PvP focused events going on at the same time. There are so many events that skipping a few is very possible.

There is clearly enough interest in PvP to justify a few PvP events now and then so good on 'em.

I don't care about speccing for PvP and, though I can't count the number of scouting missions I've completed to earn tickets over years of Mayhem events, I can count the number of times I've been killed by other players while doing so on about two fingers. Stealth and careful navigation work just fine in Cyrodiil.

Barovia87

Soarora wrote: »

But people can do MYM without PvPing, they just need to prepare first...

Why do people just lie? The most prepared person on Tamriel still needs to get LUCKY to avoid PvP while in the active PvP zones (you know: where the quests live). No amount of prep changes that. You're just going at off hours, before the Event, or in groups, and hoping for the best.

If you are smart, prepare ahead of time, and very very LUCKY you can muddle through Whitestrake's Mayhem without actual PvP. Ftfy.

Soarora

Barovia87 wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

But people can do MYM without PvPing, they just need to prepare first...

Why do people just lie? The most prepared person on Tamriel still needs to get LUCKY to avoid PvP while in the active PvP zones (you know: where the quests live). No amount of prep changes that. You're just going at off hours, before the Event, or in groups, and hoping for the best.

If you are smart, prepare ahead of time, and very very LUCKY you can muddle through Whitestrake's Mayhem without actual PvP. Ftfy.

Not lying, speaking from personal experience. You don’t need to fight anyone to do MYM, but you do need to accept the occasional death and move on. Most of Cyrodiil is empty and you’re not gonna find anyone for the most part except maybe at a town if you don’t just run right into the safety of the quest houses, and pre-event imperial city has less players in it, and of those players, a lot also are not aggro.

Heck, I’m doing the IC quests during MYM and there is more PvP in IC for sure but it’s not barring me from doing my quests. People complaining about “having” to do PvP to do MYM are acting like the only possible way to get event tickets is to kill people. I did MYM just fine even when I hated PvP and my build was that of an overland casual.

Sluggy

Barovia87 wrote: »

For the record, nowhere did I complain that PvP requires PvP builds. I stated that in my opinion the reason people complain about Whitestrake's Mayhem is that literally every single other event can be done just by showing up - in any old build. Ticketed Events have been established that community participation is the goal. No one has to do homework on their build or shell out a bunch of time &/or resources for New Life, or to eat cake at Jubilee, etc.

Again: I enjoy Whitestrake's Mayhem. I have PvP builds. I do just fine, thanks. But I don't blame anyone who doesn't enjoy PvP for being frustrated. It's the only event with so much homework and unavoidable griefing.

If they're going to establish Events as primarily participatory, I think they should bring Whitestrake's Mayhem in line with the low-effort accessibility of the other PvE events. I think if they want to minimize griping they should have something like a "War Effort Donation" option for PvE players who don't want to PvP. They can turn in raw or refined base materials at at their bases in Cyro/IC if they'd prefer not to be ganker fodder. Which would still mean an associated (optional!) cost to skipping PvP during the PvP event, but nothing insane. Under that sort of system, people at least feel they have a choice to opt in or out of PvP toxicity if they still want the FOMO. And donating resources to your alliance seems perfectly reasonable, thematically speaking, as a PvP-less option in a PvP event.

Actually, that's exactly what the takeaway from your post was.

But now you're talking about tickets? What's that got to do with PvP or PvP builds?

Stamicka

In general and in most games, if you’re not willing to put the work in then you just don’t get the rewards, it’s that simple.

I really like the Contraband Violet color, but I’m
not going to fence 1 million golds worth of items. So I’m out of luck, I won’t get the color until I put up with the grind and that’s fine.

PvP is no different. You have to put up with getting killed and it’s in your best interest to make a PvP build. If all of that is too much for you then you just don’t get the rewards. Seems perfectly fair to me. I do think that PvP has accessibility issues that need to be addressed, but that’s a different discussion.

TheMajority

PVP players have to put out time and resources that are more than a just PVE player all year round, they have to learn to PVE on expert levels AND PVP on expert levels in order to be effective all year all day, to do what they love, so I don't think it's much to ask that if you want to PVP to actually do preparation like they did already to get rewards.

AzuraFan

I'm not a PvPer by any stretch of the imagination. But I've been in IC and Cyrodiil a lot since the event started. I've completed a lot of the holiday event achievements for Mayhem (just need the IC roaming bosses now and hoping to get the last two I need at some point). I'll probably also get the Golden Pursuits capstone. When I'm in those zones, I'm in full PvE gear and if I happen to run into an opposing player when I'm alone, I go down pretty quickly. I usually don't bother even trying to fight back.

But I'm usually with a large group, either because I'm doing a guild event, or I chose a campaign with a lot of my faction and just followed the crowd.

You need 0 preparation to participate in this event and get event tickets and the GP rewards, if you don't mind dying. Dying is painless in IC. Just bank your telvar occasionally by going back to homebase. If you die, release, you're back home, go back up the ladder, done. It's more painful in Cyrodiil because of the lousy travel system, but still pretty painless.

Really, as a non-PvPer who has no interest in getting gud and folds quickly in a fight, I've been enjoying this event and see no reason why any PvE-er can't participate with 0 preparation. I even used sieges for the first time lol.

The only thing I don't like is when I'm in Cyrodiil, clearly questing and away from any scuffles, and someone ganks me. I know there's nothing wrong with it, but to me there's a difference between "can do" and "should do." It's just not sportsmanlike (I'd rather use another word but can't here).

Recently in IC, I was running with a BIG guild group, and occasionally the leader would say something like, "red over there, but they're questing, ride by." And we would. Great guild culture.

There is no cause for complaint from PvE-ers for this event. Just accept that you'll die, be smart about moving around in those zones, and you'll do fine and maybe even enjoy yourself a little. PvP still isn't my cup of tea, but there's lots to do without killing others. Most of the holiday achievements and GP goals can be done without killing another player.

Barovia87

Every other Event you can play the way you like. This is the expectation and the bar the developers set. Every "PvE Event" can be easily done - without griefing or hassle - by a PvP player in a PvP build. The inverse is not true for Whitestrake's Mayhem. It's much harder for new, inexperienced, &/or PvE players to effectively engage with the Event, or even just get their tickets, without being, essentially, ganker fodder. No other ticketed event requires setup or resource investment or practice the way Whitestrake's Mayhem does.

The developers chose to build the game in such a way that PvE and PvP are essentially two entirely different games. I don't have a solution for that divide. But I don't think it's entitled or wrong to point out that PvPers can engage with PvE Events without hassle, and PvE players can't really do the same for the PvP event. And that is, or at the very least can be, frustrating. And no, I don't think it's inherently wrong to be frustrated and still want the FOMO, or to ask for a thematic middle ground (like a PvE option) if they insist on keeping PvE and PvP so distinct.

"Just accept being farmed for kills while everyone wastes your time" isn't a great answer. Neither is "just miss out, then", or "git gud noob". Events are well established as "show up, do a little something thematic, get your tix - thx for logging in for our metrics! have some cosmetics!".

I like Whitestrake's Mayhem. And yet it's literally no skin off my nose if they make it more accessible to people who don't like PvP. I hope everyone gets their tickets and their cosmetics without needing to do stuff they hate or that stresses them out in a video game.

No one complains about getting their easy tickets during the PvE events. Pretending Whitestrake's Mayhem deserves to be a weird exception just because it's PvP is elitist nonsense. Make PvP itself more accessible to the average player, or make the Event more accessible. Either one would be a drastic improvement and reduce complaints around the Event.

AndreNoir

Why hasn't the thread been removed yet?

Nathanbreakfast

Barovia87 wrote: »

Every other Event you can play the way you like. This is the expectation and the bar the developers set. Every "PvE Event" can be easily done - without griefing or hassle - by a PvP player in a PvP build. The inverse is not true for Whitestrake's Mayhem. It's much harder for new, inexperienced, &/or PvE players to effectively engage with the Event, or even just get their tickets, without being, essentially, ganker fodder. No other ticketed event requires setup or resource investment or practice the way Whitestrake's Mayhem does.

The developers chose to build the game in such a way that PvE and PvP are essentially two entirely different games. I don't have a solution for that divide. But I don't think it's entitled or wrong to point out that PvPers can engage with PvE Events without hassle, and PvE players can't really do the same for the PvP event. And that is, or at the very least can be, frustrating. And no, I don't think it's inherently wrong to be frustrated and still want the FOMO, or to ask for a thematic middle ground (like a PvE option) if they insist on keeping PvE and PvP so distinct.

"Just accept being farmed for kills while everyone wastes your time" isn't a great answer. Neither is "just miss out, then", or "git gud noob". Events are well established as "show up, do a little something thematic, get your tix - thx for logging in for our metrics! have some cosmetics!".

I like Whitestrake's Mayhem. And yet it's literally no skin off my nose if they make it more accessible to people who don't like PvP. I hope everyone gets their tickets and their cosmetics without needing to do stuff they hate or that stresses them out in a video game.

No one complains about getting their easy tickets during the PvE events. Pretending Whitestrake's Mayhem deserves to be a weird exception just because it's PvP is elitist nonsense. Make PvP itself more accessible to the average player, or make the Event more accessible. Either one would be a drastic improvement and reduce complaints around the Event.

Why do all these events have to be equal in your mind?

16BitForestCat

Your post is very kind and generous while also being concise, realistic, and not jumping into wild conspiracy-creating, OP. I love it.

Yes, there's been some salt in some of your other comments, but that doesn't erase the kindness of this one. We all have salty days on these increasingly negative forums.

We need more kindness here (coming from someone whose kindness meter often feels like it's running out of late, especially on the ESO forums).

And it's because your post is so kind that some people are choosing to engage in ESO Forum PVP against it and calling for its removal. Too many people see someone else do something nice and immediately want to destroy it, or want to destroy it just because their opinion is different. I'd take it as a badge of honor.

Soraka

I feel like I've seen a lot less back and forth between PvP and PvE players this time around, which is nice. I think you have a point to an extent. There is quite a bit of set up, knowledge, and experience someone would need to be competitive in PvP. I don't think it is required to participate. As long as you go in with the expectation and awareness that you will likely not survive very long if you try to run into a fight I don't think it is too much to get used to. Dying is generally not a huge deal in PvP, but it can take practice brushing it off.

I also have had very little success times I've tried to block to show I'm trying to quest, but I tend to try to respect it when I see it. Unfortunately, a large mass of players can't be expected to follow a rule (edit for clarity: rumor of a possible way to not get attacked) when questing that some people follow. I also suspect some of the aggressors in questing areas may be enthusiastic PvErs.

A small vocal minority will be hostile in zones if you announce you're new, but I've also seen lots of welcoming people (or at the very least a lot of people that really don't care). A lot of us ARE friendly and understanding and are more than happy to share information with people who are new to PvP. My best advice for PvE people is to give it a try, have realistic expectations for your performance, and try not to focus on the negative people.

RoseTheSnowElf

Well, OP, what's your suggestion to make MYM more accessible to nonPvPers?

Does this only factor in the tickets? Or should PvEers be able to farm boxes from a PvP event without ever having to engage in any PvP at all?

Where's the line?

I know this is said every time, but only 2 PvP events a year, the rest are entirely PvE.

Personally I'm fine with it. I'm predominantly a PvPer, but if I want the shiny, I'll go PvE.

I get it, it's a completely different beast, I can technically go get my PvE tix and boxes without being "hassled" by anyone. But honestly it still boils down to content I realy don't want to do, but IF I want the shinies, I have to participate within the boundaries of the event and content that other's may enjoy.

And I have no intention of asking or expecting that the devs change it so *I* can enjoy it and benefit from it on MY terms.

My one critique recently would have been for the Pan-Tamriel event, I was really disappointed that we didn't get boxes from doing anything PvP. It was the Pan-Tamriel event after all. Cyro IS a part of Tamriel. But I had to PvE if I wanted to capitalize on this one event at all.


We could also go down the whole rabbit hole argument about how much PvPers HAVE to engage in PvE JUST to PvP simply because of the way the dev's designed and added to the game over 10 years.

By comparison, over 10 years there is STILL very little that is "locked" behind exclusively PvP content that PvEers HAVE to engage in. Not saying there's nothing in PvP a PvEer might want, just significantly less by comparison.

But, it is what it is. People really need to decide what it is they enjoy doing in a completely optional activity, and just go play the game.

redlink1979

Nathanbreakfast wrote: »

So much discussion over something so trivial. (...)

^^

darvaria

You could do the event with basically no pvp.

1) Get an event ticket from IC, the one where you simply go up a ladder and "plant your Alliance flag". This can be done multiple times and multiple characters.

2) Go to a server that is dominated by another Alliance and pick up the "Scouting quest". Then look at the list and pick a server that is dominated by your Alliance. I was able to port directly to the scouting location and complete quest. It was so easy, I did it 7 or 8 times and had an extra one to turn in the next day. I never even saw another player, much less engaged in PVP. Oh and I did this on my DC character that I was only wearing a costume, no gear. This helps if you have a lvl 10 character on all 3 factions. You could rack up 50 rewards in less than an hour if you want, once you find the right location. (remember to pop to IC from resource or fort so save time and log back to the other other server and pick up quest, pop back to IC, back to your Alliance server.

SO .... where is the PVP? Why exactly do you need to do any PVP when ZOS has made it so easy to avoid any.

For the costume, you have to do a little bit but could do the town quests on these empty servers as well. This year, the golden reward did add a little more "PVP". Stand on a wall and chunk a meat bag on a defended keep. I got 50 kills in about 10 minutes. You just look for campaigns and IC campaigns where your Alliance is dominant.

If you don't want to PVP, don't.

Nathanbreakfast

I also have had very little success times I've tried to block to show I'm trying to quest, but I tend to try to respect it when I see it. Unfortunately, a large mass of players can't be expected to follow a rule

What rule are you referring to? Are you suggesting that there is an unwritten "rule" that I have to let you pass if you hold block? Since were making up rules now I'll tell you one of mine. You enter a warzone, you are the enemy, you may be holding riches, therefore you must die. If you don't desire this outcome you're free to outfit your character and attempt to kill me in return. If you're successful, this should make it easier for you go about your questing, If not, it looks like you'll have to go to the countless other non-warzone areas in the game where you're free to go about your adventure peacefully.

MincMincMinc

Bloodspawn - probably already obtained by 99% of players
Stuhns or shattered - crafted
Rallying cry - cheap

This setup is basically the meta and can be obtained in purple gear for fairly cheap. I leveled my friend to cp160 in a day and he was able to pay for his own gear and pvp the next day...... Gear is not the excuse. Not to mention most pve dps builds can absolutely shred a pvp build if played right. Just don't expect a seasoned pvp player to stand still and be taunted by your tank.

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It really comes down to people flat out not wanting to participate. Partly I blame it on the mindset many have now of fear of failure. This can be seen if you run pug dungeons with PvE players who rage and freak out the second one person dies. Where in pvp dying is literally the game mode.

The simple answer to make people happy is have crazy incentives. Nobody wants to endure the brutal pvp learning curve for ap which is not used for anything. PvP has no rewards. Back in the day there used to be Arena weapon drops for example. Or Former emp buffs on your character. Or even passive stat buffs based on the campaign.

moo_2021

opethmaniac wrote: »

I the villages of Cyrodiil I left obvious PVEers alone and let them doing their quests. But in IC (the most dangerous and toxic PVP environment ingame), there is the benefit of getting (free) TelVar for killing unprepared (PVE) player. So expect no mercy there from everyone.

I ignore everyone unless they hit our flags or other members. But often it's those squashy PvEers who do not respect the convention, especially when they have the numbers.

Estin

No amount of preparation needs to go into MYM if you want tickets. Grab a BGs quest for 2 tickets. There's a total of 3. 1000 medal score, participate in 5 matches, and win 1 match. You can continuously abandon the quest to get the one you find the easiest. 1000 medal score is probably the easiest to finish in 1 match even with 16k HP in PvE gear. Next go to IC and do any of the district quests for 1 ticket. Arena can be safe spotted and can even be done while AFK. Elven is the fastest and doesn't require killing anything. Getting the daily 3 tickets can be done in less than half an hour by even the most casual player. If you die, respawn and go back. You've only lost 30 seconds of your time. Nobody has ever camped quest locations in IC the entire time I've done MYM.

All PvE events seem easy because you always have numbers with you. Undaunted you have 3 other players who can make up for your difference. World events and bosses have 30 people there killing things before they can even damage players. If you were to do them solo, preparation would be needed. You also forgot about the undaunted arms pack events. These strictly require preparation to be done because the associated monster helm style page can only drop in vet, with a much better chance in HM. Farming these style pages can make you millions in just a week.

Heren

Counter point : every other events are boring brainless lootfest, and MYM shouldn't become one of them as well.

Just kidding, I don't care. ZoS can do PvE campaigns, I don't know how they would work especially a Cyrodiil one but I know they would be popular.

darvaria

Example: How I nabbed 20 boxes since my last post. Did this on my ep toon because maps aligned.

1. Fields of Regret - a campaign where a group of pv door ran the entire map red, with exception of dc tri keeps (and they took 2 of these while I was doing this)
2. Ashpit - A campaign where there was NOT a single Red keep.

1, Join Ashpit and grab "investigate" quest. If your faction has no or only tri keeps, you get 90% of these quests on the ring. About half are to forts so you just port, do report and leave. (could port to all but one, investigate BB farm)
2. port to IC
3. Join Fields of Regret
4. Quickly do the investigate ( could port to all but one, investiage BB farm)
5. Port back to IC from location of investigate quest.
6. Join Ashpit, turn in and grab another Investigate quest.
7. Port back to IC
8. Join Fields of Regret and port to location of Investigate Report
9. Port back to IC (important not to waste time returning to base, go directly back to IC so you can join Ashpit)

To aid in the quick insta porting back to IC, helps to have FTSIO add on.

Picked up 20 boxes, leaving one quest not turned in so I can turn in tomorrow for event ticket.

Seriously, how many of these boxes do you want? Oh yeah, I didn't even see another player, much less engage one. Was doing this my non pvp EP character, only wearing my new golden rewards costume. 18K hp or so and no gear. All you pve build players just want the boxes right? No need for PVP gear to reap rewards.

SeaGtGruff

A lot of PvP gear often sells for fairly cheap at the guild traders, so one way to help prepare yourself for future PvP events-- if the feeling that "I don't have the right kind of gear" (i.e., PvP gear) is what's holding you back-- is to visit the guild traders on a semi-regular basis and see what's available (and affordable) to buy. Personally, I like to do this on days when one of the daily endeavors is to deconstruct X number of items at a particular type of crafting station, since it's basically killing two birds with one stone.

But you really don't need PvP gear at all, especially if all you want to do is complete the bare minimum of event activities for your daily event tickets and a couple of event coffers.

However, if you do decide to try some of the AvAvA action, you just might find yourself having fun with it. Of course, you might also have a horrible experience. But you'll never know unless you try it.