Players Selling Carries and End Game Achievements

Vulkunne

Rogue_Coyote wrote: »

Several examples can be easily found in game of players advertising carries and end game titles like Godslayer for millions of gold. This seems like a form of boosting, no? Which should be against ZoS ToS and reportable. However this practice seems to be the norm and accepted/ignored. Personally I feel this is a form of cheating and takes away from legit players who took the time to grind the achievements the way they were intended, as their titles "could have been bought" instead of earned. Thoughts?

Time is money. Furthermore, gosh I just have to ask why is it yours or anyone else's business how I spend my time and money? Or who I spend it on or who I spend it with? (Unless you're a ZOS Admin/GameMasta/Support associate) I mean, this doesn't involve you, it's like you're trying to choose for everyone. This is not the kind of game we want... other games have done this and it just pisses people off. For example, around the time of One Tam, you had Guild reps sending large amounts of gold via email and getting banned because they had too much gold.

This is also bad implicity because it turns 'legitimate' players into bad actors. Can you explain to us why a legitimate player who has worked hard should not be entitled to a tip or some form of payment for helping someone else? Has anyone also mentioned that many times players help players for free? Which is good but are you saying we should all be forced to spend our time and energy for free? That's like a form of slavery, which I'd be willing to bet is precisely why ZOS allows us to compensate people for their time.

Warhawke_80

sarahthes wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

ZOS has already communicated, more than one time through some Devs, that it is accepted and approved by them.
 

Yeah..and that's why I was amused with how that one YouTube kid took Raiding so seriously...when anyone could just buy a carry.

Sadly I would admit that is probably why Raiding was never taken seriously by the player base.

Raiding is more widespread than you would think. PC NA has a discord bot that is used to auto tag people with their clears for various reasons. The bot creator, @royaltonberry, recently shared the stats for all clears that have been processed by the bot. These go by discord account, so accuracy is relatively high with very few instances of duplication even though people may have posted in multiple servers. This is primarily PC NA data, as console transfers are normally tagged manually. Some EU data is likely mixed in, but at least at the highest level a lot of the PC EU players are playing on NA occasionally.

Ah, so we're talking about raid stats, not a secret underground raid network. I was about to ask if the bot also tracks who’s carrying who in those clears!"

sarahthes

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

ZOS has already communicated, more than one time through some Devs, that it is accepted and approved by them.
 

Yeah..and that's why I was amused with how that one YouTube kid took Raiding so seriously...when anyone could just buy a carry.

Sadly I would admit that is probably why Raiding was never taken seriously by the player base.

Raiding is more widespread than you would think. PC NA has a discord bot that is used to auto tag people with their clears for various reasons. The bot creator, @royaltonberry, recently shared the stats for all clears that have been processed by the bot. These go by discord account, so accuracy is relatively high with very few instances of duplication even though people may have posted in multiple servers. This is primarily PC NA data, as console transfers are normally tagged manually. Some EU data is likely mixed in, but at least at the highest level a lot of the PC EU players are playing on NA occasionally.

Ah, so we're talking about raid stats, not a secret underground raid network. I was about to ask if the bot also tracks who’s carrying who in those clears!"

LOL. The people posting their clears don't typically try to pass off their bought clears as actual clears.

I've been carried to all of my Planesbreakers though, personally.

RaikaNA

Rogue_Coyote wrote: »

Several examples can be easily found in game of players advertising carries and end game titles like Godslayer for millions of gold. This seems like a form of boosting, no? Which should be against ZoS ToS and reportable. However this practice seems to be the norm and accepted/ignored. Personally I feel this is a form of cheating and takes away from legit players who took the time to grind the achievements the way they were intended, as their titles "could have been bought" instead of earned. Thoughts?

I think it is cheating, and it also promotes websites that sell gold for real money. I mean, isn't that against TOS? RMT?

twisttop138

RaikaNA wrote: »

Rogue_Coyote wrote: »

Several examples can be easily found in game of players advertising carries and end game titles like Godslayer for millions of gold. This seems like a form of boosting, no? Which should be against ZoS ToS and reportable. However this practice seems to be the norm and accepted/ignored. Personally I feel this is a form of cheating and takes away from legit players who took the time to grind the achievements the way they were intended, as their titles "could have been bought" instead of earned. Thoughts?

I think it is cheating, and it also promotes websites that sell gold for real money. I mean, isn't that against TOS? RMT?

Cheating? I mean really? While not something I would do because I wanna learn to clear content, not everyone can or wants to. Why would it be my business or yours what people wanna do with their game time or money. We don't work for Zos, and if people are breaking the tos that's none of our concern. I know for myself, I'm gonna stay in my lane and leave the policing of the game up to the company. But cheating by paying gold for a raid run? That's a stretch and clearly ZOS agrees.

Ph1p

RaikaNA wrote: »

Rogue_Coyote wrote: »

Several examples can be easily found in game of players advertising carries and end game titles like Godslayer for millions of gold. This seems like a form of boosting, no? Which should be against ZoS ToS and reportable. However this practice seems to be the norm and accepted/ignored. Personally I feel this is a form of cheating and takes away from legit players who took the time to grind the achievements the way they were intended, as their titles "could have been bought" instead of earned. Thoughts?

I think it is cheating, and it also promotes websites that sell gold for real money. I mean, isn't that against TOS? RMT?

RMT itself is already against TOS, but unless the carry group is actually affiliated with the gold seller, I don’t see a problem. Otherwise you might as well ban any trading of high-priced items for promoting gold selling.

Lixiviant

Next will be that I can't sell anything purple quality or higher at the traders?

If someone can carry one or more people through a dungeon for earned gold, more power to him. I don't have unlimited time to play this game; if I need some nice gear I'd rather go through a dungeon with an experience player and hopefully learn something from it.