Would you like a 4th dungeon finder role or option "any"?

RandomSilliness

Often DPS chars wait an eternity to get into a dungeon, or chose to fake tank/heal to speed things along. The latter really upsets some people, and I get why, especially in vet content.
So, would you be in favor of a 4th dungeon role or checkbox option that effectively says "I'm happy with any 4 meat sacks we can throw together, just get a move on!" You would then only be grouped with others that have set the same option. Similarly, I believe, this should reduce the number of fake healers/tanks in groups that dislike it.

Parasaurolophus

Yes, let people that want a quick group of any makeup do so, so that they can get moving without infecting other groups.

Only for normals and vanilla dungeons mb - yes. For vet and dlc - no.

SkaraMinoc

Yes, let people that want a quick group of any makeup do so, so that they can get moving without infecting other groups.

For normal dungeons I think "any" is probably fine. Especially the base game dungeons.

Muizer

I like the idea of being able to group without assigned roles. But such an option would strictly have to be called "none" in the queue.

An "Any" option would be suitable for players prepared to fill any role in a regular trinity group. That may have its uses also, but it would not be something I'd be interested in using.

RandomSilliness

Yes, let people that want a quick group of any makeup do so, so that they can get moving without infecting other groups.

Muizer wrote: »

I like the idea of being able to group without assigned roles. But such an option would strictly have to be called "none" in the queue. ... "Any" option would be suitable for players prepared to fill any role in a regular trinity group....

Yeah, I can see that. "None" does make more sense in this context.

skayl

No, this would detract from the game, and I'll explain why below.

I think "Any" is the wrong title. It's all fun until you wind up in a four tank group, however statistically unlikely that is...

Jimbru

No, this would detract from the game, and I'll explain why below.

No, because people in general are awful and will only do the right thing when forced. Bad behaviors should be punished, not accommodated.

ImmortalElf13

Yes, let people that want a quick group of any makeup do so, so that they can get moving without infecting other groups.

This is actually a good idea. Though I would limit it to Normal. Maybe a No Role checkbox.

Soarora

No, this would detract from the game, and I'll explain why below.

So, the problem with an "any" option is that you're applying the "any" condition to all four slots. This very well could mean that you get 2 healers and 2 dps, or 3 tanks and 1 healer.

Alternatively, could just go ahead and make it a 4 dps queue option for normal instead of leaving all the slots up to availability.

chessalavakia_ESO

No, this would detract from the game, and I'll explain why below.

Adding an any option will slow up the queue time for the main queue.

The newly added queue may not speed things along much if the population that chooses it isn't very large and it's questionable how sustainable the population will be if it functions as the quality of the experience could be quite bad.

For example, let's suppose I decide I want to farm March of Sacrifices as a DPS.

So, I queue for it and it drags three randoms in with me that have queued hoping for a fast random daily. Chances are quite good nobody is going to be a tank so, the run is going to be a wipe unless someone is either good with the mechanics or the group has lots of DPS. As the people in the run will also likely know this it is likely that one or more players may leave rending the run both slower and harder.

If the newly added queue survives despite the potential quality issues, queue times for the main queue might become worse as players that choose to be actual tanks/healers for a faster queue time may shift over to the no role queue leaving a larger role disparity.

Personally, I think it'd make more sense to just add undaunted npcs that will play the tank/healer role when queue times are bad.

belial5221_ESO

No, this would detract from the game, and I'll explain why below.

There's always option to find a group of ppl from chat,or groupfinder,then queue.That way you know ppl won't ditch if harder DLC dungeon,or atleast you know what you getting into before having low level or weak ppl trying harder dungeon you prob won't fnish.

valenwood_vegan

No, this would detract from the game, and I'll explain why below.

I mean, we do this in my social guild and trading guild every day. "LFG for fast random dungeon, any role". They fill rapidly and the runs go great, because everyone knows what to expect and communicates with each other.

But adding this as a random dungeon finder option? Idk, for any issues that it may solve, I feel like it would just lead to a new crop of complaints about bad runs when you wind up with 3 tanks and a healer, or 4 dps but the dungeon is too difficult for them... and just generally, the same problems of other random strangers not playing the way one wants them to... and if it did become popular, it could lead to increased queue times in the "regular" queue. It's not a bad idea, I'm just skeptical that it would lead to an overall improved experience.

spartaxoxo

No, this would detract from the game, and I'll explain why below.

No. It unnecessarily slows things down. Vote to Kick or Leave bad groups.

Adremal

No, this would detract from the game, and I'll explain why below.

Wouldn't work, waste of already stretched resources.

AzuraFan

Yes, let people that want a quick group of any makeup do so, so that they can get moving without infecting other groups.

Only for normals.

peacenote

No, this would detract from the game, and I'll explain why below.

While I think some of the ideas in this thread could help the success of this idea (normals only, don't make groups with support only roles), honestly I think a better solution would be to bring back the feature to select multiple roles when queuing.

So many people use Armory now. So many people are experienced enough in the game to be able to slot a taunt and tank if the group needs it. Etc.

Instead of having the game guess (this solution) or having people queue as a fake role (current implementation) let people who can do both, say they can do both. So the game still puts in the "right" roles but groups can run with 4 dps if no one feels strongly about tank role switching to tank. You would see it be a more common practice where the group would take off with preferred roles, but people might pause to switch if the group has trouble.

Hapexamendios

I'm ambivalent. I don't really think it would change anything.

Orbital78

No, this would detract from the game, and I'll explain why below.

I think it would just be abused, in normal it "shouldn't" be too much of an issue for most experienced players. But there are already players in vet that throw queues and groups as it is. I doubt ZoS would implement a good way to confirm the player could do all roles, so best to leave it as is.

Thysbe

No, this would detract from the game, and I'll explain why below.

and who should accept those "any" in their group and what roles will be cancelled for it?

I dont want to have that kind of player forced onto me when queuing with a standard role myself

I always queue as DD and I am fine with the waiting time - its not that you have to stand still and wait

Lozeenge

Yes, let people that want a quick group of any makeup do so, so that they can get moving without infecting other groups.

i really wish this damn forum would let you retract poll votes.

this works in theory with combating fake supports but in order for it to effectively do so you'll have to make it to where "Any" roles could only be matched with other "Any" roles, hampering the already long queue times players are experiencing. defeats the point of quick queues for your dailies. you can't have the cake and eat it too.

also obviously this is a bad idea for veteran dungeons, but so is pugging veteran in the first place

pecheckler

Yes, let people that want a quick group of any makeup do so, so that they can get moving without infecting other groups.

Queue for any role and let us swap armory specs via a user interface option just before accepting the transfer to the dungeon.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Yes, let people that want a quick group of any makeup do so, so that they can get moving without infecting other groups.

I’d probably only use it for normal Dungeons but I don’t object to the idea.

DinoZavr

better name is "None" or, maybe, "i dont care, i ll walk my dog anyway"

El_Borracho

Yes, let people that want a quick group of any makeup do so, so that they can get moving without infecting other groups.

Its kind of what we have right now, right? Nobody is policing fake roles.

Koshka

Yes, let people that want a quick group of any makeup do so, so that they can get moving without infecting other groups.

For normal dungeons, sure. It would be a good option for people who don't care about group roles and just want transmutes.

thatnewcatsmell

No, this would detract from the game, and I'll explain why below.

I don’t really care about ‘fake tanks’ in random normals (or poorly prepared players in general) so if an ‘any’ queue was added and it actually had shorter queues I’d probably use it. That also illustrates the problem with this idea: if the ‘normal’ queue remains better/faster it’s still going to draw in all the fake tanks. Fake tanks don’t fake tank because they don’t care about roles, it’s because they want a faster queue. An ‘any’ queue can only make the normal queue worse.

Desiato

The reason this wouldn't work is that it undercuts the entire reason for offering a large daily rewards for random dungeons: Dungeon Finder activity.

The idea is that players who want to find groups for specific dungeons won't have to wait for players looking for the same dungeon.

For this to be successful, the player must also accept a role.

ZOS isn't handing out rewards just because they want everyone to run a random dungeon for the hell of it. We're basically being paid to make the process smoother for players who select specific dungeons.