TechMaybeHic wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »ElderSmitter wrote: »I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!
Go ZOS!!
It isn't a "complete pvp makeover" as far as we know. The marketing materials (among other things) indicate it is battleground related. Many of us don't care for BGs, its the open world/ic style pvp that draws us to eso. After 6 years of receiving 0 content, for people like me, it is extremely disappointing to find out that they've focused their efforts into BGs rather than the incredible open world pvp systems they have.
Who knows, maybe the rumors/marketing materials aren't accurate - but I doubt it.
I suspect it's because Bgs runs well, no lag etc where as they struggle with the cyro side of things and adding new content there would add further pressure.
IC shows you can have open world PvP without lag. You just need to split up the area into smaller instances so you don't have all the players focused in one spot.
And have very few people play in it?
Now that I think about it, I made fun of BGs being the least played game mode, but it might be IC
I think TelVar is the boon and bane of IC. On the one hand, the opportunity to gain TelVar from other players is attractive to upper tier players. Conversely, the risk of losing them is a turnoff for lower tier players. It creates a predatory environment where skilled players constantly shake down less skilled players for their lunch money.
The concept of IC is interesting, but I think TelVar is holding it back.
OtarTheMad wrote: »I honestly don't feel bad for people who complain about the que being so long when you have Blackreach available. That's what I do, if GH has a que, I go to Blackreach and have fun. Some even say to that "Well, it's dead/nothing is happening." Okay, but if everyone in the que for each alliance went to that campaign instead of just waiting in que then it'd be active. You can't complain about long ques when you have other options. That's like complaining about a restaurant having a long wait time but you have similar ones in the same plaza without one... it's weird.
As for why some aren't hype over U44, and threads popping up here. Well, I can't speak for everyone but for me it's just I don't know what to be hype about. We have zero information beyond it's not Cyrodiil related. That is not a lot to be hype about. Sometimes silence about upcoming DLC or release helps and sometimes it hurts... for me not having more information hurts my interest.
Stafford197 wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »I honestly don't feel bad for people who complain about the que being so long when you have Blackreach available. That's what I do, if GH has a que, I go to Blackreach and have fun. Some even say to that "Well, it's dead/nothing is happening." Okay, but if everyone in the que for each alliance went to that campaign instead of just waiting in que then it'd be active. You can't complain about long ques when you have other options. That's like complaining about a restaurant having a long wait time but you have similar ones in the same plaza without one... it's weird.
As for why some aren't hype over U44, and threads popping up here. Well, I can't speak for everyone but for me it's just I don't know what to be hype about. We have zero information beyond it's not Cyrodiil related. That is not a lot to be hype about. Sometimes silence about upcoming DLC or release helps and sometimes it hurts... for me not having more information hurts my interest.
In terms of U44 all we know is that it’ll be based around BGs. And if we dig deeper we already know all of the info on that as well. The more you know, the less hype U44 actually is.
Stafford197 wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »I honestly don't feel bad for people who complain about the que being so long when you have Blackreach available. That's what I do, if GH has a que, I go to Blackreach and have fun. Some even say to that "Well, it's dead/nothing is happening." Okay, but if everyone in the que for each alliance went to that campaign instead of just waiting in que then it'd be active. You can't complain about long ques when you have other options. That's like complaining about a restaurant having a long wait time but you have similar ones in the same plaza without one... it's weird.
As for why some aren't hype over U44, and threads popping up here. Well, I can't speak for everyone but for me it's just I don't know what to be hype about. We have zero information beyond it's not Cyrodiil related. That is not a lot to be hype about. Sometimes silence about upcoming DLC or release helps and sometimes it hurts... for me not having more information hurts my interest.
In terms of U44 all we know is that it’ll be based around BGs. And if we dig deeper we already know all of the info on that as well. The more you know, the less hype U44 actually is.
This is actually telling. If there are leaks or data mining sources out there that get people excited, there will be hype and excitement, even if the studio has not released concrete information. Specific to ZOS and ESO, this hype will be largely elsewhere, due to forum rules, but if people are excited enough, it will spill over to here.
On the other hand, if there are leaked or data mined sources of information and few are excited about it, whatever the studio is working on has failed before even being announced.
As for what ZOS has said, I am not sure that the community is really looking for a "PVP-Related Feature". Those words sound very uninspiring. It isn't PVP, but related to PVP, and it is a Feature, which is generic and could be something big or something small.
Not feeling the hype, and ZOS isn't helping.
Anyway, if you search for HYPE about this PVP update, the first result is probably going to be this thread.
Stafford197 wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »I honestly don't feel bad for people who complain about the que being so long when you have Blackreach available. That's what I do, if GH has a que, I go to Blackreach and have fun. Some even say to that "Well, it's dead/nothing is happening." Okay, but if everyone in the que for each alliance went to that campaign instead of just waiting in que then it'd be active. You can't complain about long ques when you have other options. That's like complaining about a restaurant having a long wait time but you have similar ones in the same plaza without one... it's weird.
As for why some aren't hype over U44, and threads popping up here. Well, I can't speak for everyone but for me it's just I don't know what to be hype about. We have zero information beyond it's not Cyrodiil related. That is not a lot to be hype about. Sometimes silence about upcoming DLC or release helps and sometimes it hurts... for me not having more information hurts my interest.
In terms of U44 all we know is that it’ll be based around BGs. And if we dig deeper we already know all of the info on that as well. The more you know, the less hype U44 actually is.
Game has zero real new content until 2025.
TheMajority wrote: »Stafford197 wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »I honestly don't feel bad for people who complain about the que being so long when you have Blackreach available. That's what I do, if GH has a que, I go to Blackreach and have fun. Some even say to that "Well, it's dead/nothing is happening." Okay, but if everyone in the que for each alliance went to that campaign instead of just waiting in que then it'd be active. You can't complain about long ques when you have other options. That's like complaining about a restaurant having a long wait time but you have similar ones in the same plaza without one... it's weird.
As for why some aren't hype over U44, and threads popping up here. Well, I can't speak for everyone but for me it's just I don't know what to be hype about. We have zero information beyond it's not Cyrodiil related. That is not a lot to be hype about. Sometimes silence about upcoming DLC or release helps and sometimes it hurts... for me not having more information hurts my interest.
In terms of U44 all we know is that it’ll be based around BGs. And if we dig deeper we already know all of the info on that as well. The more you know, the less hype U44 actually is.
Game has zero real new content until 2025.
Let us be honest, do we really know if we get any true new content in 2025 or just more rehashed stuff?
Stafford197 wrote: »TheMajority wrote: »Stafford197 wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »I honestly don't feel bad for people who complain about the que being so long when you have Blackreach available. That's what I do, if GH has a que, I go to Blackreach and have fun. Some even say to that "Well, it's dead/nothing is happening." Okay, but if everyone in the que for each alliance went to that campaign instead of just waiting in que then it'd be active. You can't complain about long ques when you have other options. That's like complaining about a restaurant having a long wait time but you have similar ones in the same plaza without one... it's weird.
As for why some aren't hype over U44, and threads popping up here. Well, I can't speak for everyone but for me it's just I don't know what to be hype about. We have zero information beyond it's not Cyrodiil related. That is not a lot to be hype about. Sometimes silence about upcoming DLC or release helps and sometimes it hurts... for me not having more information hurts my interest.
In terms of U44 all we know is that it’ll be based around BGs. And if we dig deeper we already know all of the info on that as well. The more you know, the less hype U44 actually is.
Game has zero real new content until 2025.
Let us be honest, do we really know if we get any true new content in 2025 or just more rehashed stuff?
Q4 zone dlc is usually just content that was cut away from the chapter in order to artificially have new DLC content for later, and so it totally resembles the chapter/has the same storyline.
It's not cut content, it's just a continuation of the story and a different location. 🙄🤔 It was better than we have now though. Stories used to stretch from Q1 through Q4.
2024 is unique in that Q2 was essentially a mini-chapter, while Q3 and Q4 have no dlc. So in a way they didn’t reuse assets as much this time, sounds like they’re improving then right… 💀
They did this in 2023, they announced they were switching it up ahead of time, and it was pretty much the same size as then other "small" chapters. 🤦
SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »If it's not Cyrodiil related I don't care about it.
The only way ZOS gets my respect back and more $ from me is if they fix Cyrodiil in the way they told us they would for the over 5 years they told us "they're working on it".
ElderSmitter wrote: »I do not even play PVP and I am excited to learn about the complete PVP Makeover that may be coming! I actually may try PVP if it's a really cool update!
Go ZOS!!
It isn't a "complete pvp makeover" as far as we know. The marketing materials (among other things) indicate it is battleground related. Many of us don't care for BGs, its the open world/ic style pvp that draws us to eso. After 6 years of receiving 0 content, for people like me, it is extremely disappointing to find out that they've focused their efforts into BGs rather than the incredible open world pvp systems they have.
Who knows, maybe the rumors/marketing materials aren't accurate - but I doubt it.
I suspect it's because Bgs runs well, no lag etc where as they struggle with the cyro side of things and adding new content there would add further pressure.
Stafford197 wrote: »TheMajority wrote: »Stafford197 wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »I honestly don't feel bad for people who complain about the que being so long when you have Blackreach available. That's what I do, if GH has a que, I go to Blackreach and have fun. Some even say to that "Well, it's dead/nothing is happening." Okay, but if everyone in the que for each alliance went to that campaign instead of just waiting in que then it'd be active. You can't complain about long ques when you have other options. That's like complaining about a restaurant having a long wait time but you have similar ones in the same plaza without one... it's weird.
As for why some aren't hype over U44, and threads popping up here. Well, I can't speak for everyone but for me it's just I don't know what to be hype about. We have zero information beyond it's not Cyrodiil related. That is not a lot to be hype about. Sometimes silence about upcoming DLC or release helps and sometimes it hurts... for me not having more information hurts my interest.
In terms of U44 all we know is that it’ll be based around BGs. And if we dig deeper we already know all of the info on that as well. The more you know, the less hype U44 actually is.
Game has zero real new content until 2025.
Let us be honest, do we really know if we get any true new content in 2025 or just more rehashed stuff?
It’s kind of 50-50.
Their process tends to be to release a new chapter for Q2 of each year which includes a few new tilesets, like Skingrad style stuff, alongside as many old tilesets as they can reasonably reuse. Pretty sure the Blackwood chapter did this a lot with the Murkmire-Argonian themed stuff.
Q1 or Q3 dungeon DLC usually purely reuses tile sets, enemies, and sometimes even mechanics. Although IMO reusing mechanics is okay, as long as fights make sense and still feel unique enough.
Q4 zone dlc is usually just content that was cut away from the chapter in order to artificially have new DLC content for later, and so it totally resembles the chapter/has the same storyline.
2024 is unique in that Q2 was essentially a mini-chapter, while Q3 and Q4 have no dlc. So in a way they didn’t reuse assets as much this time, sounds like they’re improving then right… 💀
DragonRacer wrote: »DragonRacer wrote: »Since it’s likely Battlegrounds-related, I really don’t care. BGs take way too long to launch, BGs often launch imbalanced (one team with 2-3 versus two full teams of four), I can’t select Deathmatch only and have to play modes I hate like Capture the Relic, and there is a rare BG-related bug that locks people out of their accounts until the next maintenance.
I hate to be bitter, but maybe half the remaining PvP population getting locked out of ESO entirely the day that patch drops - with no hope of playing again until the next server maintenance two weeks later - would actually get the issue some attention.
I'm still a week of waiting for someone to confirm if my toon is even safe to attempt logging into and zero about everything I missed in-game during my lockout. Pretty sure my follow-up emails to keep my ticket open are going into a spam folder.
It's completely unacceptable that you're still locked out and still have no information regarding compensation. I can guarantee you that if this was a bug affecting PVEers queuing into dungeons, it would be a major priority that would be hotfixed ASAP.
Oh, the good news was the server maintenance did unlock my account. Not that anyone in support said anything - this hope came from other players who had encountered this issue (who support did actually answer) and then played out when the servers came back up.
But my remaining issue is the character who encountered the bug still shows that BG arena as his last location. I have asked for a week if he is safe to log into or not because I don’t want to get locked out again. No answer. Others who were locked out received compensation for time lost. Nobody is answering my question on that either. I’m not even asking for anything extra. I just want the daily login reward that is now locked for me and the 50 seals for closing an Oblivion Portal that everyone else had the chance to do while I was locked out.
No response.
But sure, let’s launch a big BG update. LOL
Stafford197 wrote: »TheMajority wrote: »Stafford197 wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »I honestly don't feel bad for people who complain about the que being so long when you have Blackreach available. That's what I do, if GH has a que, I go to Blackreach and have fun. Some even say to that "Well, it's dead/nothing is happening." Okay, but if everyone in the que for each alliance went to that campaign instead of just waiting in que then it'd be active. You can't complain about long ques when you have other options. That's like complaining about a restaurant having a long wait time but you have similar ones in the same plaza without one... it's weird.
As for why some aren't hype over U44, and threads popping up here. Well, I can't speak for everyone but for me it's just I don't know what to be hype about. We have zero information beyond it's not Cyrodiil related. That is not a lot to be hype about. Sometimes silence about upcoming DLC or release helps and sometimes it hurts... for me not having more information hurts my interest.
In terms of U44 all we know is that it’ll be based around BGs. And if we dig deeper we already know all of the info on that as well. The more you know, the less hype U44 actually is.
Game has zero real new content until 2025.
Let us be honest, do we really know if we get any true new content in 2025 or just more rehashed stuff?
It’s kind of 50-50.
Their process tends to be to release a new chapter for Q2 of each year which includes a few new tilesets, like Skingrad style stuff, alongside as many old tilesets as they can reasonably reuse. Pretty sure the Blackwood chapter did this a lot with the Murkmire-Argonian themed stuff.
Q1 or Q3 dungeon DLC usually purely reuses tile sets, enemies, and sometimes even mechanics. Although IMO reusing mechanics is okay, as long as fights make sense and still feel unique enough.
Q4 zone dlc is usually just content that was cut away from the chapter in order to artificially have new DLC content for later, and so it totally resembles the chapter/has the same storyline.
2024 is unique in that Q2 was essentially a mini-chapter, while Q3 and Q4 have no dlc. So in a way they didn’t reuse assets as much this time, sounds like they’re improving then right… 💀
I think they are going to do new content in 2025. The question is whether they continue on their development descent into 2025 or if they were so busy doing 2025 stuff that they had to scale back 2024 and 2025 will be a better year.
I think they are going to continue on in the tradition of 2024 and give us less content, again. BUT... there will be content. I actually expect that the 2025 Chapter will feature more PVP stuff.
Maybe Zos should create a "new" zone. That being Cyrodill. Make it smaller, V shaped, updated graphics, create new objectives etc. Use the areas that are no longer being fought over for future dlc. Cast the "old" Cyrodill into the fire.
There's so many ideas that Zos could implement to improve their game and keep the open world PVP fresh. But after years of no changes or improvements, anything the players suggest or hope for seems to fall on deaf ears.
Twohothardware wrote: »Update 44 is likely something no serious PvP player has been asking for.
I don’t believe there are many players in this game who are playing 4-6 hours/day of BGs….that sounds miserable.SkaraMinoc wrote: »Twohothardware wrote: »Update 44 is likely something no serious PvP player has been asking for.
Disagree. Based on the information out there, we've 100% been asking for changes related to what's coming in Update 44. Also, there are many serious PvPers who play 4-6 hours/day or more and only content related to Update 44.
SkaraMinoc wrote: »Twohothardware wrote: »Update 44 is likely something no serious PvP player has been asking for.
Disagree. Based on the information out there, we've 100% been asking for changes related to what's coming in Update 44. Also, there are many serious PvPers who play 4-6 hours/day or more and only content related to Update 44.