joakim.bang1b16_ESO wrote: »Dueling is the single most important feature to make this game keep a good pvp-scene, everyone isn't playing it for the pve features. Without duels there is no way for newer players and perfectionists to practice their pvp. It makes for an extreme learning curve that may demotivate new players from pvping, and it will frustrate the more serious actors as they won't get a proper arena to test new things.
That first sentence is absolutely hysterical.
The PvP in ESO is large-scale. Practicing 1v1 would have limited utility because you are not practicing a situation that you would often run into while PvPing. Having a great dueling build means nothing when the battles you face have dozens of people in combat at once.
joakim.bang1b16_ESO wrote: »(stuff)
joakim.bang1b16_ESO wrote: »Dueling is the single most important feature to make this game keep a good pvp-scene, everyone isn't playing it for the pve features. Without duels there is no way for newer players and perfectionists to practice their pvp. It makes for an extreme learning curve that may demotivate new players from pvping, and it will frustrate the more serious actors as they won't get a proper arena to test new things.
joakim.bang1b16_ESO wrote: »but please lets try to keep this thread civilized and free of negativity and insults.
kirnmalidus wrote: »joakim.bang1b16_ESO wrote: »Dueling is the single most important feature to make this game keep a good pvp-scene, everyone isn't playing it for the pve features. Without duels there is no way for newer players and perfectionists to practice their pvp. It makes for an extreme learning curve that may demotivate new players from pvping, and it will frustrate the more serious actors as they won't get a proper arena to test new things.
People can test builds in open PvP combat. In fact, I'd argue that testing a build in 1v1 duel is misleading and a waste of time. Just because your build is successful in that context doesn't mean it will work well in actual AvA PvP. That's like testing a new car on a climate controlled indoor track and expecting it to perform identically in the real world in a blizzard. Test your car in a blizzard and find out how it really performs.
To stay without it is to be like many MMOs in the industry as well. See, the argument works/fails both ways.To not add dueling is to not add content many MMOs in the industry have. The amount of MMO content that was not added to this game is ridiculous.
I am reading this thread and i am absolutely shocked and disgusted by the sheer amount of negativity towards dueling coming from the spineless cowards who don't even participate in pvp. Is it so hard to understand that many people who play this game actually play with friends? And that groups of friends that take part in pvp always feel competition with each other. As the game stands now, there is literally no way to prove and test yourself against your friends. Bottom line, if you seriously don't like dueling then turn the option off and enjoy the silence and walk away.
There is simply no excuse for failing to implement a feature which has always been fundamental to both MMOs and Elder Scrolls games in an Elder Scrolls MMO.
Please add dueling yesterday.
@Catches_the_Sun
And its not "all of a sudden." I was a closed Beta tester for the game throughout much of development and I lobbied for this feature throughout.
Its going to hurt the longevity of the game a lot.
Catches_the_Sun wrote: »[
* It ruins my immersion to see people within our Alliance, that are supposed to be united against the other 2 Alliances, fighting each other for "practice".
* Even if you can auto-decline duel requests, just having the option invites trouble. If somebody wants to duel me & I have the feature turned off, I'll be trolled, laughed at, cursed at, and all the usual stuff you'd expect from people running around trying to duel everybody that harvests an ore node near them.
* This is a AvA environment. All abilities need to be balanced with AvA in mind. Your "practice" for AvA by fighting 1v1 is virtually useless.
Blackwidow wrote: »This is a fun tool and there is no logical argument that can be made as to why it should not be in the game.
@Catches_the_Sun
Instead of focusing on me or the way I like to play though, maybe we could talk about, idk, the subject of the thread?
Catches_the_Sun wrote: »I could just as easily turn that around & say there is no logical argument to include it in the game.
We have differing opinions. I have played MMOs since EQ/UO, and have put thousands of hours in over the years. I can't think of one instance in all of those years where the inclusion of a duel system gave me a meaningful experience. I can, however, think of dozens of instances where it has been abused.