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Let’s rename dragon knight
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"Knight-of-gigantic-leather-skinned-creatures-that-may-or-may-not-resemble-a-mythic-entity-commonly-known-as-wyvern". Because they aren't dragons. Dragons have four legs plus their wings.
They are dragons because that's what they are called in the game. The rules of some European writing/heraldry doesn't apply to all depictions of these creatures in all fiction. There exists a wide variety of what constitutes a dragon across cultures, times, and different fictional worlds.Edited by spartaxoxo on July 23, 2024 3:44PM4 -
ClowdyAllDay✭✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »ClowdyAllDay wrote: »Why in that case have a class emulating their nonsense?
I think your thread is nonsense.
Well you’re obviously not biased any either eh ? I mean if you changed your name to wyvernnord it ewouldnt sound as tough? Embrace your wyvern and be proud of it!1 -
JemadarofCaerSalis✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »"Knight-of-gigantic-leather-skinned-creatures-that-may-or-may-not-resemble-a-mythic-entity-commonly-known-as-wyvern". Because they aren't dragons. Dragons have four legs plus their wings.
They are dragons because that's what they are called in the game. The rules of some European writing/heraldry doesn't apply to all depictions of these creatures in all fiction. There exists a wide variety of what constitutes a dragon across cultures, times, and different fictional worlds.
Also, I think that dragon tends to be an 'overarching' name applied to creatures like this.
Wyverns, Drakes, Wyrms and many more can all, and often are, considered types of dragons.
Sort of like the 'all Square are rectangles, but not all Rectangles are squares'. All Wyverns are dragons, but not all Dragons are wyverns.5 -
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ClowdyAllDay✭✭✭✭JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »"Knight-of-gigantic-leather-skinned-creatures-that-may-or-may-not-resemble-a-mythic-entity-commonly-known-as-wyvern". Because they aren't dragons. Dragons have four legs plus their wings.
They are dragons because that's what they are called in the game. The rules of some European writing/heraldry doesn't apply to all depictions of these creatures in all fiction. There exists a wide variety of what constitutes a dragon across cultures, times, and different fictional worlds.
Also, I think that dragon tends to be an 'overarching' name applied to creatures like this.
Wyverns, Drakes, Wyrms and many more can all, and often are, considered types of dragons.
Sort of like the 'all Square are rectangles, but not all Rectangles are squares'. All Wyverns are dragons, but not all Dragons are wyverns.
Why don’t wyverns stand up and claim authenticity in their own right!??? It’s time wtverns come out of the shadow if the dragons and embrace their own fierce legacy as wyverns!0 -
JemadarofCaerSalis✭✭✭✭ClowdyAllDay wrote: »JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »"Knight-of-gigantic-leather-skinned-creatures-that-may-or-may-not-resemble-a-mythic-entity-commonly-known-as-wyvern". Because they aren't dragons. Dragons have four legs plus their wings.
They are dragons because that's what they are called in the game. The rules of some European writing/heraldry doesn't apply to all depictions of these creatures in all fiction. There exists a wide variety of what constitutes a dragon across cultures, times, and different fictional worlds.
Also, I think that dragon tends to be an 'overarching' name applied to creatures like this.
Wyverns, Drakes, Wyrms and many more can all, and often are, considered types of dragons.
Sort of like the 'all Square are rectangles, but not all Rectangles are squares'. All Wyverns are dragons, but not all Dragons are wyverns.
Why don’t wyverns stand up and claim authenticity in their own right!??? It’s time wtverns come out of the shadow if the dragons and embrace their own fierce legacy as wyverns!
Maybe not being seen in their own right is part of their plan. That way instead of seeing dozens of 'WyvernKnights' popping up and running around hunting down Wyverns, they see DragonKnights and then when one shows up on their radar, they can go 'actually, I am a Wyvern, you are looking for someone with 4 legs, I, as you can see, only have two' and the dragonknight would go looking for a 'true' dragon?2 -
ClowdyAllDay✭✭✭✭JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »ClowdyAllDay wrote: »JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »"Knight-of-gigantic-leather-skinned-creatures-that-may-or-may-not-resemble-a-mythic-entity-commonly-known-as-wyvern". Because they aren't dragons. Dragons have four legs plus their wings.
They are dragons because that's what they are called in the game. The rules of some European writing/heraldry doesn't apply to all depictions of these creatures in all fiction. There exists a wide variety of what constitutes a dragon across cultures, times, and different fictional worlds.
Also, I think that dragon tends to be an 'overarching' name applied to creatures like this.
Wyverns, Drakes, Wyrms and many more can all, and often are, considered types of dragons.
Sort of like the 'all Square are rectangles, but not all Rectangles are squares'. All Wyverns are dragons, but not all Dragons are wyverns.
Why don’t wyverns stand up and claim authenticity in their own right!??? It’s time wtverns come out of the shadow if the dragons and embrace their own fierce legacy as wyverns!
Maybe not being seen in their own right is part of their plan. That way instead of seeing dozens of 'WyvernKnights' popping up and running around hunting down Wyverns, they see DragonKnights and then when one shows up on their radar, they can go 'actually, I am a Wyvern, you are looking for someone with 4 legs, I, as you can see, only have two' and the dragonknight would go looking for a 'true' dragon?
So cowardice then keeps them alive?
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✭ClowdyAllDay wrote: »
So cowardice then keeps them alive?
To quote the bard:
"A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come.”Antiquities Addict1 -
JemadarofCaerSalis✭✭✭✭ClowdyAllDay wrote: »JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »ClowdyAllDay wrote: »JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »"Knight-of-gigantic-leather-skinned-creatures-that-may-or-may-not-resemble-a-mythic-entity-commonly-known-as-wyvern". Because they aren't dragons. Dragons have four legs plus their wings.
They are dragons because that's what they are called in the game. The rules of some European writing/heraldry doesn't apply to all depictions of these creatures in all fiction. There exists a wide variety of what constitutes a dragon across cultures, times, and different fictional worlds.
Also, I think that dragon tends to be an 'overarching' name applied to creatures like this.
Wyverns, Drakes, Wyrms and many more can all, and often are, considered types of dragons.
Sort of like the 'all Square are rectangles, but not all Rectangles are squares'. All Wyverns are dragons, but not all Dragons are wyverns.
Why don’t wyverns stand up and claim authenticity in their own right!??? It’s time wtverns come out of the shadow if the dragons and embrace their own fierce legacy as wyverns!
Maybe not being seen in their own right is part of their plan. That way instead of seeing dozens of 'WyvernKnights' popping up and running around hunting down Wyverns, they see DragonKnights and then when one shows up on their radar, they can go 'actually, I am a Wyvern, you are looking for someone with 4 legs, I, as you can see, only have two' and the dragonknight would go looking for a 'true' dragon?
So cowardice then keeps them alive?
Hey, if it works, it works. After all, can't do nothing if you are dead (unless you know someone with a resurrect spell or manage to come back as a ghost, but then your options can still be limited)2 -
manukartofanu✭✭✭✭I think if the developers rename Dragon Knight, it would be a huge update. They should consider making it the main QoL update for the Q4 patch2 -
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*shrug* I don't worry about the slaves. Not my job.______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
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✭✭✭✭✭"We're centuries into this world, having Khajiit and Argonian slaves.... no reason to change it now."
I leave that up to the Tamrielians in charge
Real world opinions on a topic don't matter for me when it comes to a fictional medieval world. Especially one where you can also play a mass murdering cultist or a necromancer. @Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
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I guess Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim got it wrong also then, because its dragons also only have 2 legs. All hail the Wyvernborn!"Knight-of-gigantic-leather-skinned-creatures-that-may-or-may-not-resemble-a-mythic-entity-commonly-known-as-wyvern". Because they aren't dragons. Dragons have four legs plus their wings.
Edited by vsrs_au on July 23, 2024 11:07PMPC(Steam) / EU / play from Melbourne, Australia / avg ping 3901 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We can't change the name of something that doesn't exist.
The class is Dragonknight, not Dragon Knight.PCNA1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dragon Deez **** Knight?"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle1 -
ClowdyAllDay✭✭✭✭Paramedicus wrote: »
can we add that to the poll?LukosCreyden wrote: »Heart Palpitation Soldier
sadly, once created the polls are not editable..0 -
ClowdyAllDay✭✭✭✭
I guess Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim got it wrong also then, because its dragons also only have 2 legs. All hail the Wyvernborn!"Knight-of-gigantic-leather-skinned-creatures-that-may-or-may-not-resemble-a-mythic-entity-commonly-known-as-wyvern". Because they aren't dragons. Dragons have four legs plus their wings.
Yes the did. #nofomo.0 -
ClowdyAllDay✭✭✭✭ClowdyAllDay wrote: »So that brings up another error. If the dragons are aedric then the aedra did not create the mundus. The aedra could not create the mundus and all that's in it then send dragons which are aedric to enslave the people then give people a thum to battle the dragons. It's preposterous.
According to the Anuad, humans were never created, but descended from wandering Ehlnofey. Also, dragons existed first.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ehlnofey
Looks like you got that incorrect0 -
ArchangelIsraphel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ClowdyAllDay wrote: »ClowdyAllDay wrote: »So that brings up another error. If the dragons are aedric then the aedra did not create the mundus. The aedra could not create the mundus and all that's in it then send dragons which are aedric to enslave the people then give people a thum to battle the dragons. It's preposterous.
According to the Anuad, humans were never created, but descended from wandering Ehlnofey. Also, dragons existed first.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ehlnofey
Looks like you got that incorrect
Actually, you are incorrectly interpreting that very short paragraph.
"The Ehlnofey (sometimes spelled Elhnofey)[1] of the Dawn Era are a group of beings who, along with the Hist, are counted among the original inhabitants of Nirn. They are depicted as vaguely Elven in shape, but featureless, similar to how they live on in fading memory,[2] and are widely considered to be the progenitors of the mortal races"
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ehlnofey (the longer lore article)
The term progenitor means direct ancestor.
Also, concerning dragons: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragon
"According to Archmage Shalidor, dragons are in some manner kindred of the Time God, either his children, or lesser relations, or part of him that split off when time began.[22]
Dragons are said to be eternal, immortal, unchanging, and unyielding.[6] According to the writings of Archmage Shalidor, Dragons had existed since before the advent of sequential time in the Dawn Era,[23][24] but were initially as wild as anything else. It was Alduin, Firstborn of Akatosh, who created their civilization."
Edited by ArchangelIsraphel on July 24, 2024 5:25PMLegends never die
They're written down in eternity
But you'll never see the price it costs
The scars collected all their lives
When everything's lost, they pick up their hearts and avenge defeat
Before it all starts, they suffer through harm just to touch a dream
Oh, pick yourself up, 'cause
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LannStone✭✭✭✭I never thought Dragonknight implied any particular relations to dragons - simply that they can breathe fire like dragons
Strange the poll doesn't have a choice "leave the name like it is"
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