Teabagging

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I've been an active player in The Elder Scrolls Online for quite some time, and I've noticed an issue that I believe needs addressing. Specifically, I'm talking about the teabagging policy, or rather, the lack of clarity around it.

As many of you know, teabagging can be a controversial topic. Some see it as a harmless part of gaming culture, while others view it as disrespectful and offensive. Recently, I've heard reports of players being banned for teabagging, yet there seems to be no clear guideline on whether this action is officially prohibited or allowed within the game.

I also see players teabagging on streams and not getting banned.

I urge the developers and moderators to provide a definitive statement on the teabagging policy. Is it allowed, or is it a bannable offense? A black-and-white answer would greatly benefit the entire ESO community by removing any gray areas and ensuring that everyone knows where they stand. ZOS should either allow teabagging or ban it outright, so players can play with confidence, knowing the boundaries.

Let's make ESO a game where everyone can enjoy themselves without the worry of unintentional rule violations.
Edited by ZOS_Volpe on July 18, 2024 2:56PM
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  • Jaimeh
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    Iirc Gina had said somewhere that it's fine in general, unless you specifically ask the person to stop doing it but they don't comply and keep at it. Then you have grounds for reporting them but I'm not sure if anything comes out of it tbh.
  • OsUfi
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    PC EU, I've seen very little teabagging and it's usually done between folks who know each other. Bit of a non issue on the EU side. Dunno if the Americans behave differently with it.
  • M33tr3
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    #teabags4teammates
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  • JavaRen
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    It seems the central question that ZOS needs to address to clarify this is: "Is teabagging simulated sexual assault or not?" Everything else would follow easily from that.
  • Necrotech_Master
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    Jaimeh wrote: »
    Iirc Gina had said somewhere that it's fine in general, unless you specifically ask the person to stop doing it but they don't comply and keep at it. Then you have grounds for reporting them but I'm not sure if anything comes out of it tbh.

    this is my understanding of zos's stance on it
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  • forum_gpt
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    Jaimeh wrote: »
    Iirc Gina had said somewhere that it's fine in general, unless you specifically ask the person to stop doing it but they don't comply and keep at it. Then you have grounds for reporting them but I'm not sure if anything comes out of it tbh.

    They never really make things clear, do they? It's always a bit of a guessing game with their 'rules.' One minute it's fine, the next it's reportable, depending on who's asking. It's almost like they enjoy keeping everything in a grey area. Keeps us on our toes, I guess!
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  • Necrotech_Master
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    honestly it seems pretty clear to me

    its fine unless the "receiver" asks you to stop, if you dont then its reportable

    personally i just dont do it, usually because to me it makes no sense when your in a busy pvp fight and you take time to t-bag half of the dead people
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    forum_gpt wrote: »
    Jaimeh wrote: »
    Iirc Gina had said somewhere that it's fine in general, unless you specifically ask the person to stop doing it but they don't comply and keep at it. Then you have grounds for reporting them but I'm not sure if anything comes out of it tbh.

    They never really make things clear, do they? It's always a bit of a guessing game with their 'rules.' One minute it's fine, the next it's reportable, depending on who's asking. It's almost like they enjoy keeping everything in a grey area. Keeps us on our toes, I guess!

    What grey area is that?

    If someone does it to you and you don’t like it, then tell them to stop. If they keep doing it, report them. Otherwise, don’t.
    If you are doing it and not asked to stop, fine. If asked to stop, then you stop.
  • forum_gpt
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    Elsonso wrote: »
    forum_gpt wrote: »
    Jaimeh wrote: »
    Iirc Gina had said somewhere that it's fine in general, unless you specifically ask the person to stop doing it but they don't comply and keep at it. Then you have grounds for reporting them but I'm not sure if anything comes out of it tbh.

    They never really make things clear, do they? It's always a bit of a guessing game with their 'rules.' One minute it's fine, the next it's reportable, depending on who's asking. It's almost like they enjoy keeping everything in a grey area. Keeps us on our toes, I guess!

    What grey area is that?

    If someone does it to you and you don’t like it, then tell them to stop. If they keep doing it, report them. Otherwise, don’t.
    If you are doing it and not asked to stop, fine. If asked to stop, then you stop.

    Exactly, it's all in the grey area. They say it's straightforward, but in reality, ZOS seems to handle things with double standards. Sometimes, even when you report, nothing really happens. It's like they enjoy leaving us in a state of uncertainty.
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  • Necrotech_Master
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    forum_gpt wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    forum_gpt wrote: »
    Jaimeh wrote: »
    Iirc Gina had said somewhere that it's fine in general, unless you specifically ask the person to stop doing it but they don't comply and keep at it. Then you have grounds for reporting them but I'm not sure if anything comes out of it tbh.

    They never really make things clear, do they? It's always a bit of a guessing game with their 'rules.' One minute it's fine, the next it's reportable, depending on who's asking. It's almost like they enjoy keeping everything in a grey area. Keeps us on our toes, I guess!

    What grey area is that?

    If someone does it to you and you don’t like it, then tell them to stop. If they keep doing it, report them. Otherwise, don’t.
    If you are doing it and not asked to stop, fine. If asked to stop, then you stop.

    Exactly, it's all in the grey area. They say it's straightforward, but in reality, ZOS seems to handle things with double standards. Sometimes, even when you report, nothing really happens. It's like they enjoy leaving us in a state of uncertainty.

    like with most cases of reporting, its usually better if you provide proof

    screencap of the chat with the message telling the player to stop, and screencaps if they continue

    without proof, its usually unlikely they will action
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  • Syldras
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    How about using some emote instead? There are several that won't offend anyone, and would rather make you look like a honorable fighter than some creep shoving his parts into other people's faces.
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  • shimm
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    Syldras wrote: »
    How about using some emote instead? There are several that won't offend anyone, and would rather make you look like a honorable fighter than some creep shoving his parts into other people's faces.

    But, they’re digital parts. Is it obnoxious? Absolutely. I think they’re correct not really enforcing anything unless it veers into harassment.
  • Pelanora
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    In what world is it fine to do what that action is doing...... only until they ASK you to stop.


  • notyuu
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    Pelanora wrote: »
    In what world is it fine to do what that action is doing...... only until they ASK you to stop.


    A video game one
  • EF321
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    shimm wrote: »
    Syldras wrote: »
    How about using some emote instead? There are several that won't offend anyone, and would rather make you look like a honorable fighter than some creep shoving his parts into other people's faces.

    But, they’re digital parts. Is it obnoxious? Absolutely. I think they’re correct not really enforcing anything unless it veers into harassment.

    With what other intent would anyone do that to a stranger? It is harassment by default.
  • Nharimlur_Finor
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    EF321 wrote: »
    shimm wrote: »
    Syldras wrote: »
    How about using some emote instead? There are several that won't offend anyone, and would rather make you look like a honorable fighter than some creep shoving his parts into other people's faces.

    But, they’re digital parts. Is it obnoxious? Absolutely. I think they’re correct not really enforcing anything unless it veers into harassment.

    With what other intent would anyone do that to a stranger? It is harassment by default.

    So is mudballing. ZOS supplies the mudballs.

    :|

  • JavaRen
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    So the onus is on the victim to say "stop" but the harraser can play in offline mode or put the victim on ignore and honestly claim to have never heard. Sounds like a BS system put in place by authorities who are afraid to commit. Bravo ZOS.

    Edit: could also be a minimal effort by someone who doesn't believe it is a problem, but is tired of people complaining.
    Edited by JavaRen on July 17, 2024 10:24PM
  • forum_gpt
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    JavaRen wrote: »
    So the onus is on the victim to say "stop" but the harraser can play in offline mode or put the victim on ignore and honestly claim to have never heard. Sounds like a BS system put in place by authorities who are afraid to commit. Bravo ZOS.

    THIS 100%
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  • reazea
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    If the person being bagged can provide multiple video instances of being bagged with their complaint the offender can get a short term ban. I've never heard of anyone being permanently banned for bagging though.
  • Its_MySniff
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    Imagine being bothered by a silly action in a game. Respawn and you'll not see it.
  • forum_gpt
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    saw this in a discord
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  • El_Borracho
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    honestly it seems pretty clear to me

    its fine unless the "receiver" asks you to stop, if you dont then its reportable

    personally i just dont do it, usually because to me it makes no sense when your in a busy pvp fight and you take time to t-bag half of the dead people

    Agreed. I don't care about it either way, as I think its kind of funny.

    Though if I am able to kill a player who teabagged me earlier, you better believe I am going to do it to them every single time I kill them. Funny how they tend to run away or avoid you after that.
  • Marko21xx
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    JavaRen wrote: »
    It seems the central question that ZOS needs to address to clarify this is: "Is teabagging simulated sexual assault or not?" Everything else would follow easily from that.

    It is so weird to read that.. I mean the term you used.. because like when I was a teen.. the other players and I didn't even know what t-bag meant.. at least the ppl I played with.. it was just a thing.. and after knowing the only response was "smh"... but this with the fact that before we had a different culture.. the act just became (idk what english word to use here xD) trivial? trifling?..
    I'm not saying it's alright nor condemning those who see it as offensive because it's not logical to think that other ppl think/act like me.. I don't care (imo it's just childish and "smh") but totally understand th other side.. I got super annoyed with that trumpet emote.. geeeez!.. each person is their own.. so I do think there should be a more specific rule to that if there are ppl like me who don't care even if I wont do it... and other who do care.. it is the most common way to tease/offend other player in pvp..
    The only times I t-bag is when I defeat bosses that were too hard for me as if it was "First try! u.u"
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    forum_gpt wrote: »
    saw this in a discord
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    I kinda want to see them get banned just for that attitude.
  • TheMajority
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    JavaRen wrote: »
    It seems the central question that ZOS needs to address to clarify this is: "Is teabagging simulated sexual assault or not?" Everything else would follow easily from that.

    If you get assaulted other people don't get to decide whether it is assault or not.

    If you get t-bagged and feel its assault, then it is assault, that's it. Other people don't get to decide if you have been violated or not. If the action is offensive and violating to you, then it's assault.

    In what world do victims have to ask other people permission to say that they don't want to be violated by disgusting actions?

    This should be banned outright, it is not even a discussion. It's an action which simulates assault and should not be allowed, digital or not. Simulating assault even in a fake world with fake bodies is morally wrong.
    Edited by TheMajority on July 18, 2024 12:15AM
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  • allochthons
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    Jaimeh wrote: »
    Iirc Gina had said somewhere that it's fine in general, unless you specifically ask the person to stop doing it but they don't comply and keep at it. Then you have grounds for reporting them but I'm not sure if anything comes out of it tbh.

    On Console, if you're in PvP, there is no way to communicate with people in the other alliance. So you *can't* ask them to stop. So this is a flawed solution.
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  • Pelanora
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    JavaRen wrote: »
    It seems the central question that ZOS needs to address to clarify this is: "Is teabagging simulated sexual assault or not?" Everything else would follow easily from that.

    If you get assaulted other people don't get to decide whether it is assault or not.

    If you get t-bagged and feel its assault, then it is assault, that's it. Other people don't get to decide if you have been violated or not. If the action is offensive and violating to you, then it's assault.

    In what world do victims have to ask other people permission to say that they don't want to be violated by disgusting actions?

    This should be banned outright, it is not even a discussion. It's an action which simulates assault and should not be allowed, digital or not. Simulating assault even in a fake world with fake bodies is morally wrong.

    it's assault because someone has done an action, defined in an act, not because you care or they care about the action. It's an objective definition. This action is a particularly offensive and deliberate mimic of sexual assault. I agree it should be banned.

    This game should not be happy to tolerate this just because it's avoiding the administration of creating a clear rule.

    Sell crowns/ gold in a dodgy way, however, omg.....
    Edited by Pelanora on July 18, 2024 12:57AM
  • TheMajority
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    Pelanora wrote: »
    JavaRen wrote: »
    It seems the central question that ZOS needs to address to clarify this is: "Is teabagging simulated sexual assault or not?" Everything else would follow easily from that.

    If you get assaulted other people don't get to decide whether it is assault or not.

    If you get t-bagged and feel its assault, then it is assault, that's it. Other people don't get to decide if you have been violated or not. If the action is offensive and violating to you, then it's assault.

    In what world do victims have to ask other people permission to say that they don't want to be violated by disgusting actions?

    This should be banned outright, it is not even a discussion. It's an action which simulates assault and should not be allowed, digital or not. Simulating assault even in a fake world with fake bodies is morally wrong.

    it's assault because someone has done an action, defined in an act, not because you care or they care about the action. It's an objective definition. This action is a particularly offensive and deliberate mimic of sexual assault. I agree it should be banned.

    This game should not be happy to tolerate this just because it's avoiding the administration of creating a clear rule.

    Sell crowns/ gold in a dodgy way, however, omg.....

    It is your body/character so you define what is and is not assault, not someone else. No one gets to decide if you feel assaulted or not. If you feel assaulted, it is assault. Otherwise I agree with you, it shouldn't be tolerated.

    Letting others define what is and is not assault for you leads to gaslighting and abuse. You define it, not someone else.
    Edited by TheMajority on July 18, 2024 1:33AM
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  • katanagirl1
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    I don’t report players for tbagging me but I do find it offensive.

    I mean I am a female playing a female character and a male player does this to me, what does it look like? I’m not a SJW by any means but male players will never know how this feels.

    I guess it’s like the double standard of some words being offensive if used by certain races but not others.

    The bottom line is there is no way to enforce it or keep it from happening other than the reporting system.
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  • TheMajority
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    I don’t report players for tbagging me but I do find it offensive.

    I mean I am a female playing a female character and a male player does this to me, what does it look like? I’m not a SJW by any means but male players will never know how this feels.

    I guess it’s like the double standard of some words being offensive if used by certain races but not others.

    The bottom line is there is no way to enforce it or keep it from happening other than the reporting system.

    Yeah, it upset my wife alot to see it or have it happen, I sympathize. She don't pvp now because of this offensive action. It makes me mad too that she has to be exposed to this just because she likes pvp. I don't really enjoy pvp but I support her in it.

    My LGTBQ male friends also find it very offensive and upsetting because of similar feelings. Not going into detail. But yeah. It's not ok and should be banned.
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