How Hard is Halls of Fabrication?

FlopsyPrince

One of the Endeavors that just hit on EU is to run Halls of Fabrication for 75 endeavors.

How hard is it for a pick up/informal guild group?

notyuu

Depends
If you know the mechanics, have solid builds and have good team coordination it's easy as eating pie

You'll need ateast two of the above (power, coordination, mechanics) to beat it end of however.

Power + coordination = brute forcing it
Coordination + mechanics = surviving slog
Mechanics + power = high speed chaos
Mechanics + power + coordination = easy victory

Soarora

Pretty easy if you run it on normal. Vet is also decently easy but can run into some trouble if tanks aren't good and you don't have some knowledgeable DPS.

Silaf

Remember you can do it in normal. No need to know mechanics in normal...

FlopsyPrince

notyuu wrote: »

Depends
If you know the mechanics, have solid builds and have good team coordination it's easy as eating pie

You'll need ateast two of the above (power, coordination, mechanics) to beat it end of however.

Power + coordination = brute forcing it
Coordination + mechanics = surviving slog
Mechanics + power = high speed chaos
Mechanics + power + coordination = easy victory

Knowing the mechanics makes it pretty hard all by itself!

BTW, I skipped that one on PC-EU, though maybe I will try it on PC-NA tomorrow.

msetten

If you want to do this, also be careful to not accidentally trigger 3 other daily endeavors before doing nHoF.

moderatelyfatman

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

One of the Endeavors that just hit on EU is to run Halls of Fabrication for 75 endeavors.

How hard is it for a pick up/informal guild group?

GIven how high dps is these days, you can skip most of the mechanics.

However, I'd still recommend going with your guild group rather than Pugging.

Sarannah

Having never done a trial before, because I never meet the achievement requirement, am not in a guild, and can't use voicechat/discord. I wanted to get those high endeavours, so I simply joined a groupfinder group for nHOF and was able to easily finish the run. There were many groups up, as almost everyone wants those endeavours(also got the lead from final boss).

Went a lot quicker and faster than I would imagine. Groupfinder is really a blessing for this, will probably try more trials at some point. Pleasantly surprised!

PS: Queue'd up as a dd and not as my usual tank, as I knew I wasn't going to be able to lead a group. Somewhat lower damage does not stop a group, but not knowing the mechanics or where to go while tanking could have.

JiubLeRepenti

The thing is, in vet, this trial requires a lot of synchronization in general if you want to pass it.

On first boss you'll need to clearly define ppl position (6/6 or 1T 1H who'll kite one on the Fabricants).

On second boss you'll need 4 dds to sync on portal mech, and be sure the tank knows the bash mech against that big cone AOE that'll OS DDs/H.

On third boss, the easiest, just pack together in front of boss, never stay behind, and nuke factos minis.

You'll need two good tanks who know mech on 4th boss (the three Factotums), and who know when and how to properly swap. Probably the hardest one.

On last boss you'll need solid healing, and VERY WELL ORGANIZED position during execute, don't overlap, or it'll be a wipe.

GL !

PS : skin is awful imo, u won't do anything with it :

anadandy

I did it via group finder for the lead needed for Gold Road achievement. I'd never done it before (but have done other trials). It completed fast enough but I wouldn't be able to explain what happened or what it even looked like. It was literally just run, try to keep up with the people who knew what they were doing (as a slow ass templar) and keep people alive at the final boss. I imagine with the endeavor any pug will be similar today.

Dragonnord

I find walking in the park harder than normal HoF.
 

AlnilamE

msetten wrote: »

If you want to do this, also be careful to not accidentally trigger 3 other daily endeavors before doing nHoF.

I think that's the hardest part, since you're definitely doing the Ulti one during the trial.

Tommy_The_Gun

Silaf wrote: »

Remember you can do it in normal. No need to know mechanics in normal...

Nope, it is impossible to solo on normal without the fancy "I know how to avoid everything/ I am a superman/I am Neo form Matrix".

1st boss has perma stuns & deals you tons of damage while you are downed on the ground full off stamina but u cant break free. Cherry on top is the dmg scaling, so it does not matter if you have 30K, 40K or 50K health + topped up resistances. After 10 seconds you are dead.

And. This. Is. Just. The. 1st. Boss....

If trials had at least same MM system that regular dungeons have then maybe it would be ok. But, of course they don't. Instead they have this convoluted player-steered lobby so you are not gonna be picked ever, unless you are specific class, specific race, have specific gear or have friends/guild etc. Yes, I have tired it, I know what I am saying, I was not able to get into a nTrial even once, as there was always some one else that was chosen etc.

Besides, right now on PC EU there is no group finder for this trial which again proves what I have said in other thread - no one is using that (at least on PC EU). It is not what players wanted.

Also.... why should I study "a manual" and read a guide in order to be able to get endeavours ? It is not even stupid design, but at this point it is just plain idiotic. I am not trying to bait or shame devs or anything. I just think that whoever came up with the idea of endeavours reward being asymmetrical should reconsider their choices. When I 1st saw the asymmetrical endeavours, I know something like this will happen sooner or later. But it can get worse. They can for example give 1 endeavour for each activity and 100 for doing the impossible. My point here is that players won't ever be beneficial with sytem like this. It does not matter if it say "place furnishing" for 50 endeavours or "Do end game group content" for 70 endeavours. There will be always some one how will not like it. Just make all daily endeavour be same again.

Again, I really want to stress that I absolutely HATE that they are doing the asymmetrical Endeavours. Practise like this should not be present at all in ESO. What happened with "play as you want" thing ?! Why are player penalized for either playing solo or not "group end game" content not being their thing ?!

If ZOS wants players to stop doing endeavours and just logging into the game for daily reward, then this is how you do stop players from doing endeavours. Congratulations ZOS, you are on the right path for the players to play your game less. 1st time, players will skip some endeavours. And the moment you notice, player won't be doing endeavours.

SkaiFaith

Never done a single Trial before but I had seen a video about this one.
Joined Group Finder... 2 times.

First time has taken 1+ hour with multiple fails and everyone gave up.

Second time has taken just under 30 minutes and everything went smoothly. Got the Mythic lead.

Pugging is always a gamble, can be heaven or hell.

TheDarkRuler

For some reason they added three other endeavours which are done passively.
I just noticed that there is Hall of Fabrications and I am already locked out of it.

Anifaas

First trial, 16 wipes, no tears and then we cleared the nHoF. It was chaotic and a little nerve-wracking and I loved it. Can't wait to do another trial. This endeavour was great.

Aurielle

It’s super easy. Just ran it with one healer and a tank who wasn’t actually tanking. A few deaths, but no wipes. Someone was getting snippy in chat because the tank wasn’t taunting, claiming we’d fail final boss, etc. and I just chuckled to myself. People waaay overestimate the difficulty of normal trials, especially older trials like HoF.

Nissowolf

It's super easy in normal, don't stress over it

colossalvoids

Just check the group finder, was my first use of it today. Despite half the group doing idk what was easy fast clear, couple of us knowing stuff were plenty and passive dps people have now is just enough to not care about any mech.

Major_Toughness

Easy, just like the mythic lead I used group finder to get a group, with 11 random people, in 5 minutes and we cleared in like 15 mins. Not exactly fast but no wipes.

code65536

I posted the following in another thread earlier today...
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Since HoF was today's daily endeavor, I tried out the Group Finder.

Started on PC/EU at around 0650 EDT (so just past noon for the Europeans, 1250 CEST).

Looked in Group Finder. Saw no groups. So I started a listing. It filled in about 3-4 minutes. I was just solo-tanking it because you really don't need two tanks on normal. We finished in about 20 minutes. At the end, I can see that three people looted the trial trophy, meaning this was their first time ever clearing HoF on any difficulty.

The biggest killer was on the final boss, when people didn't realize that when the boss is shielded, it reflects all damage back to them, so they were essentially committing suicide. After I explained in chat why they died, that stopped being an issue.

Next, I decided to try PC/NA. This was now 0730 EDT. Again, I saw no groups in Group Finder, so I made my own. I expected this to take longer to fill, since it's early morning in NA, but I guess there were enough people on (Oceanic folks?) that it filled literally just as fast as it did on EU. I was pinging my friends on Discord to join the run because I thought it would be slow to fill, but literally three minutes after I pinged them, the group was at 12/12... so much for that.

The NA group had lower CP than the EU group (well over half the people had under 1K CP), but the damage was actually a little higher and the fights were a little faster. The NA group was more unruly--they ran past all the trash and went straight to the first boss, which I don't like because it means we're stuck in combat for a long time (people on EU were nicer about stopping to fight the trash if the tank stacks them up). In the end, waiting for stuck-in-combat to get through the door after third boss meant most of the time savings of skipping the trash was negated.

Anyway, NA run took 18 minutes. Two people were first-timers (looted the trophy).

And so in the span of an hour, I pugged nHoF on both servers. Not during prime time.

And as the group "leader", the one and only thing that I typed in chat during the trial was "don't hit the boss when he's shielded in middle, because it reflects all damage back to you". I offered no other instructions or guidance.

But the thing that I want to stress is: If you don't see a group, just make one. Both times, I saw no groups. Both times, it filled in a few minutes. There are probably a lot of people who are thinking, "It's the endeavor! Why are there no groups?" but not taking the initiative to make one.

SkaiFaith

Aurielle wrote: »

It’s super easy.

Anifaas wrote: »

16 wipes

The Dichotomy.

Arizona_Steve

And I just realized there's an ultimate endeavor there. I have two other endeavors done and was going to try nHoF but now I cannot use my ultimate as I will trip that endeavor instead.

Stupid ZOS... stupid.

OsUfi

Was the only healer in the group as a one bar healer with Sergeants/Deadly Strike/Resto staff/Oaken. Normal mode, PUG group, couldn't find real healer so we YOLO'd it. Three deaths, the entire run. 0 wipes.

Lordy, I had forgotten how easy the old trials were.

pklemming

Made a GF group. filled in 5 mins. total trial time was 15 mins. It is still a bad precedent to tie endeavours to trials. Not everyone likes, wants or can do trials.Yes, they will do them, because of the imbalance in reward, but you are effectively making players do content they dislike.

OsUfi

pklemming wrote: »

Made a GF group. filled in 5 mins. total trial time was 15 mins. It is still a bad precedent to tie endeavours to trials. Not everyone likes, wants or can do trials.Yes, they will do them, because of the imbalance in reward, but you are effectively making players do content they dislike.

Cool. I enjoy healing in PvP. Should every endeavor cater to me?

Joining PUGs and dealing with the incomprehensibly toxic mid-game PvE community is thing I enjoy the least in this game. I don't do pledges, RNDs, or trials beyond the first time for the quest/completion/skill point. All that said, I like ZoS mixing up the endeavors. I can skip them, and all I miss out on is 60 endeavor points. A currency used to buy useless e-tat, most of which looks ghastly, with the supposed top-tier rewards being apex-mounts, that manage to be the ugliest things in ESO.

If players dislike an endeavor, they can just skip them. They'll be more later on that might appeal to them, and they're really not missing out on much.

Grec1a

I"m so glad ZOS added this as an endeavour. I'd given up finding a nHOF listing in the group finder that hadn't expired, and getting the antiquity lead.

I planned to watch Xynode's mechanics video and try my luck in 'prime time'. But as soon as I logged on there was a listing, I clicked on it...and off to the trial! I apologise to the group I was in: I had no clue what I was doing and was worse than useless. But although I have lost all self-respect, I now I have the lead, the seals and the achievement

Arizona_Steve

Well I am no longer a trial virgin.

All in all, it's very similar to doing a dungeon, only with more people and more chaos. We did wipe once on the final boss, but the remainder of the group was able to get it the second time (yes, I died twice). Could not figure out how to deal with the red circles that seemingly followed me around on the final boss stage.

Got the lead too.

It was a fun group, and we made sure to remind everyone to unslot their ultimates if they already had two endeavors done

ShadowPaladin

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Silaf wrote: »

Remember you can do it in normal. No need to know mechanics in normal...

Nope, it is impossible to solo on normal without the fancy "I know how to avoid everything/ I am a superman/I am Neo form Matrix".

1st boss has perma stuns & deals you tons of damage while you are downed on the ground full off stamina but u cant break free. Cherry on top is the dmg scaling, so it does not matter if you have 30K, 40K or 50K health + topped up resistances. After 10 seconds you are dead.

And. This. Is. Just. The. 1st. Boss....

If trials had at least same MM system that regular dungeons have then maybe it would be ok. But, of course they don't. Instead they have this convoluted player-steered lobby so you are not gonna be picked ever, unless you are specific class, specific race, have specific gear or have friends/guild etc. Yes, I have tired it, I know what I am saying, I was not able to get into a nTrial even once, as there was always some one else that was chosen etc.

Besides, right now on PC EU there is no group finder for this trial which again proves what I have said in other thread - no one is using that (at least on PC EU). It is not what players wanted.

Also.... why should I study "a manual" and read a guide in order to be able to get endeavours ? It is not even stupid design, but at this point it is just plain idiotic. I am not trying to bait or shame devs or anything. I just think that whoever came up with the idea of endeavours reward being asymmetrical should reconsider their choices. When I 1st saw the asymmetrical endeavours, I know something like this will happen sooner or later. But it can get worse. They can for example give 1 endeavour for each activity and 100 for doing the impossible. My point here is that players won't ever be beneficial with sytem like this. It does not matter if it say "place furnishing" for 50 endeavours or "Do end game group content" for 70 endeavours. There will be always some one how will not like it. Just make all daily endeavour be same again.

Again, I really want to stress that I absolutely HATE that they are doing the asymmetrical Endeavours. Practise like this should not be present at all in ESO. What happened with "play as you want" thing ?! Why are player penalized for either playing solo or not "group end game" content not being their thing ?!

If ZOS wants players to stop doing endeavours and just logging into the game for daily reward, then this is how you do stop players from doing endeavours. Congratulations ZOS, you are on the right path for the players to play your game less. 1st time, players will skip some endeavours. And the moment you notice, player won't be doing endeavours.

First thing. As far as I can tell no one - especially the one you quoted - said something about *soloing* HoF on any mode!

Second thing. On *NORMAL* mode HoF is easily doable by most of the PUG groups, Group Finder groups and so on. There are some mechanics you need to keep an eye on, but not so many as in vet mode.

Third. If there are no groups in the Group Finder it DOES NOT mean that no one is using the Group Finder and it also does not mean no one is doing this trial! In the last 4 weeks - since the release of the new chapter - I've been running HoF as often as I've done it within the last 2 years! HoF is done atm, because there is a lead droping from the last boss. In addition to that people use this chance to get some achievements done and their collection. So, if there is no listing in the Group Finder, just open one and it will fill up in no time.

Btw., as far as I am able to tell. On PC EU the chat activity in Craglorn for LFG trial groups has quieted down, since the release of the Group Finder.

FlopsyPrince

Good twice. Third group I tried couldn't get the last 20% of the final boss killed.

FlopsyPrince

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

For some reason they added three other endeavours which are done passively.
I just noticed that there is Hall of Fabrications and I am already locked out of it.

This is exactly why they should "upgrade" the one you get credit for if you finish another one later.