Luminous Ink needs passive PvP sources, NOT an increased drop rate for passive PvE sources

Erickson9610

The current methods of acquiring Luminous Ink include completing the Luminary quests, harvesting resource nodes, and looting slain mobs, all of which are activities easily done in passing in PvE, but not as easily in PvP.


To elaborate, PvE players have a chance to acquire Luminous Ink from harvesting materials in the overworld while completing quests, or from looting slain mobs in the overworld, or in Dungeons, Trials, and Arenas. Even if you are no longer actively farming for ink, you are very likely to accumulate it over time doing PvE activities no matter where you go.

But what of PvP activities? In Cyrodiil, you have resource nodes and mobs you can loot, but you'd have to stop PvPing for a moment and do PvE. In the Imperial City, there are no resource nodes, but you are at least somewhat more likely to fight the mobs there than you would be in Cyrodiil. Battlegrounds has neither resource nodes nor lootable mobs, so you'd need to do something else while waiting for the queue. Tales of Tribute as an alternate kind of PvP notably also provides no Luminous Ink.


Luminous Ink acquisition is skewed in favor of PvE players. How are dedicated PvP players supposed to passively acquire Luminous Ink over time without stopping to do PvE or trading with players or guild traders?

I believe there should be a new source of Luminous Ink that is catered toward PvP playstyles. I believe it should have a chance to drop in Rewards for the Worthy and Tales of Tribute/Battlegrounds reward coffers, which could be tied to the Sigil of the Luminary Gryphon account upgrade.

I doubt ZOS meant for the Scribing system to be so focused on resource node farming ever since they made it compatible with the Plentiful Harvest passive — so Luminous Ink should instead drop from a wider variety of activities, rather than have an increased drop rate from the sources we already have. Scribing is not a PvE-only feature.

Araneae6537

I agree, and not only that, I think there should be guaranteed ways to get ink. I think the scripts and class script scraps were well done, with a variety of activities these could be very obtained from. I think that sources of class script scraps should drop ink after the achievement has been completed, which includes several PvP sources.

It seems ridiculous to me for the only sources to be random drops from harvesting and looting mobs — if ink drops from these it should be only a pleasant bonus. Harvesting materials should be it’s own reward for those who need the materials or wish to sell them to those who don’t wish to spend their time that way.

xylena_lazarow

Signature and Affix Scripts also, I get zero of those PvPing. [snip]

Or better yet, if you paid $40, the system should simply be unlocked. Let the grind be for F2P players.

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Araneae6537

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Signature and Affix Scripts also, I get zero of those PvPing. [snip]

Or better yet, if you paid $40, the system should simply be unlocked. Let the grind be for F2P players.

I agree that those should have PvP sources too. I confess I haven’t kept track of which sources gave which types but have been doing BGs and a variety of PvE activities. I had thought that IC and Cyrodiil dailies also awarded scripts, but if they are not different types then this should be addressed.

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EdjeSwift

Araneae6537 wrote: »

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Signature and Affix Scripts also, I get zero of those PvPing. [snip]

Or better yet, if you paid $40, the system should simply be unlocked. Let the grind be for F2P players.

I agree that those should have PvP sources too. I confess I haven’t kept track of which sources gave which types but have been doing BGs and a variety of PvE activities. I had thought that IC and Cyrodiil dailies also awarded scripts, but if they are not different types then this should be addressed.

All 3 scripts are available via PvP zones/activities. Foci are from Rewards of the Worthy, Affixes are from daily IC quests, and Signatures are from Cyrodiil daily quests.

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StihlReign

Ink should be made available at the NPC vendor in Cyrodiil.

Alpheu5

Araneae6537 wrote: »

It seems ridiculous to me for the only sources to be random drops from harvesting and looting mobs — if ink drops from these it should be only a pleasant bonus. Harvesting materials should be it’s own reward for those who need the materials or wish to sell them to those who don’t wish to spend their time that way.

This is the problem I have with ink in general. Nearly all of the resources I have came from running content I was already running because it's what I have fun doing. I have plenty of alchemy mats from the boxes in IC and IA, a hundred-ish rheum from killing dragons, thousands of crafting mats from deconning gear that drops in dungeons, and a bunch of other materials from heavy sacks and containers found in those dungeons. In the rare times I wanted golden tempers, the writ rewards were usually enough to cover my needs. If they weren't, then I'd take the time to farm enough raw materials to cover the difference.

The ink drop rate from regular mobs is nearly nonexistent, and the bosses aren't much better. I can and have run dozens of dungeons in a day and not seen a single one. The only alternative is to spend hours collecting raw materials I don't actually need in the hopes that one of them has ink that wasn't taken by someone else. It feels like a huge waste of my time and money with ink in its current state.

Anifaas

Ink should be an alchemy recipe with a hefty, but manageable ingredient requirement.

xylena_lazarow

Was trying to say: yes there are quests in PvP zones, but they are not PvP, they're the same overworld trash mobs and fetch chores we beat a decade ago. There's no way to get Affixes via player kills, but there should be.

gariondavey

Agreed

darvaria

Yes should be included in random rewards for the worthy, like uncracked geodes.

M0ntie

Both need to have more drops. I’m not getting any doing PVE. I do pick up resource nodes that I pass and loot mobs but I haven’t had any drop.

LunaFlora

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

If you're going to tell me that ackshually there are overworld trash mob quests you can do in PvP zones, yes I know. That's not PvP. Go take a swim in the Niben.

EdjeSwift wrote: »

All 3 scripts are available via PvP zones/activities. Foci are from Rewards of the Worthy, Affixes are from daily IC quests, and Signatures are from Cyrodiil daily quests.

That's it. Into the Niben with you.

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Was trying to say: yes there are quests in PvP zones, but they are not PvP, they're the same overworld trash mobs and fetch chores we beat a decade ago. There's no way to get Affixes via player kills, but there should be.

Rewards of the Worthy and pvp quests for killing players aren't pvp?

Firstmep

They could add it to ic alchemy bags and rotw coffers imho.

xylena_lazarow

LunaFlora wrote: »

Rewards of the Worthy and pvp quests for killing players aren't pvp?

Only Focus. Never Affix. Those Imperial City quests are pure PvE fetch quests, zero PvP involved, and I have zero reason to go to IC as there is no meaningful or engaging PvP there.

LunaFlora

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

Rewards of the Worthy and pvp quests for killing players aren't pvp?

Only Focus. Never Affix. Those Imperial City quests are pure PvE fetch quests, zero PvP involved, and I have zero reason to go to IC as there is no meaningful or engaging PvP there.

Cyrodiil has pvp quests like for killing 20 arcanists, right? Cyrodiil dailies give signature scripts.
i thought ic also had that kinda daily, if not then at least there's usually people who will try to kill you while you do the other ic dailies (that is pvp)

Four_Fingers

It is not hard to farm resource nodes or mobs in Cyrodiil, you just have to do it.

xylena_lazarow

Four_Fingers wrote: »

It is not hard to farm resource nodes or mobs in Cyrodiil, you just have to do it.

Not hard to do my laundry or clean my cat's litter boxes either.

Four_Fingers

Well, if you want clean laundry and no delicacies in the cat box you do what you have to do.

spartaxoxo

Nah. If we have to deal with low drops, so should y'all.

I'd be all for increasing it for both.

Erickson9610

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Nah. If we have to deal with low drops, so should y'all.

I'd be all for increasing it for both.

How is the nonexistent drop rate for PvP comparable to the rare drop rate for PvE? This isn't a thread about increasing drop rates — it's a thread about giving PvP players a drop rate to begin with.

spartaxoxo

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Nah. If we have to deal with low drops, so should y'all.

I'd be all for increasing it for both.

How is the nonexistent drop rate for PvP comparable to the rare drop rate for PvE? This isn't a thread about increasing drop rates — it's a thread about giving PvP players a drop rate to begin with.

I mean you're the one that decided to make it about PvE when you also decided to call for PvE not to get relief. You could have left that out. So, no, I don't agree with the basic premise of the title or context of your post. PvE needs more drop chances.

They should increase the ink for both.

Erickson9610

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Nah. If we have to deal with low drops, so should y'all.

I'd be all for increasing it for both.

How is the nonexistent drop rate for PvP comparable to the rare drop rate for PvE? This isn't a thread about increasing drop rates — it's a thread about giving PvP players a drop rate to begin with.

I mean you're the one that decided to make it about PvE when you also decided to call for PvE not to get relief. You could have left that out. So, no, I don't agree with the basic premise of the title or context of your post. PvE needs more drop chances.

They should increase the ink for both.

I'm fine with an increased drop rate in PvE, but I think a better solution than leaving the drop sources be exclusive to PvE activities is to make some sources available to PvP players. I mention PvE in the thread because others on the forums only want an increased drop rate from the current sources, which would do nothing for PvP players.

Bradyfjord

Maybe they could add a tel var vendor to remedy the issue of ink for pvp players.

Erickson9610

Bradyfjord wrote: »

Maybe they could add a tel var vendor to remedy the issue of ink for pvp players.

What about a passive method of acquiring Luminous Ink for PvP players? Not everyone wants to play Imperial City, so it'll be difficult for some to acquire Luminous Ink over time.

Whereas in PvE, once you have the account upgrade, you cannot escape finding Luminous Ink off of enemies and bosses, or from resource nodes. You shouldn't be able to escape finding Luminous Ink just because you exclusively play PvP like Battlegrounds and are never given an opportunity to find it.

Kappachi

The only place it's not available to get in PvP is battlegrounds... but in battlegrounds you get the scripts. I really see no issue. yes you have to do pve activities in cyrodiil/imperial city too, that's the point. I do wish some stuff dropped from the PvP Tales of Tribute too but already plenty of winners there like paintings worth millions & every motif, etc... No idea actually if ink is actually possible from ToT but I'm going to guess it's not.

StarOfElyon

More sources in PvP and higher drop rates in PvE.

Erickson9610

StarOfElyon wrote: »

More sources in PvP and higher drop rates in PvE.

I want equal drop rates regardless of PvE or PvP — not a higher chance in PvE compared to PvP. The drop rate can and probably should be increased across the board, but as it stands, none of the sources come from PvP-only activities the way all of the sources come from PvE-only activities (because killing mobs in Imperial City isn't PvP, nor is harvesting resource nodes in Cyrodiil considered PvP).

Kappachi wrote: »

The only place it's not available to get in PvP is battlegrounds... but in battlegrounds you get the scripts. I really see no issue. yes you have to do pve activities in cyrodiil/imperial city too, that's the point. I do wish some stuff dropped from the PvP Tales of Tribute too but already plenty of winners there like paintings worth millions & every motif, etc... No idea actually if ink is actually possible from ToT but I'm going to guess it's not.

I suppose an equivalent argument to saying you can get Luminous Ink in PvP would be to say that you could get Luminous Ink from dueling within the overworld — despite it taking place in a PvE zone, dueling is not considered PvE, and players would have to go out of their way to stop doing PvE long enough to do PvP, when all they want to do in that zone is PvE. That's how it feels when people say that we're supposed to harvest nodes and kill mobs in Cyrodiil for a chance at Luminous Ink.

spartaxoxo

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Nah. If we have to deal with low drops, so should y'all.

I'd be all for increasing it for both.

How is the nonexistent drop rate for PvP comparable to the rare drop rate for PvE? This isn't a thread about increasing drop rates — it's a thread about giving PvP players a drop rate to begin with.

I mean you're the one that decided to make it about PvE when you also decided to call for PvE not to get relief. You could have left that out. So, no, I don't agree with the basic premise of the title or context of your post. PvE needs more drop chances.

They should increase the ink for both.

I'm fine with an increased drop rate in PvE, but I think a better solution than leaving the drop sources be exclusive to PvE activities is to make some sources available to PvP players. I mention PvE in the thread because others on the forums only want an increased drop rate from the current sources, which would do nothing for PvP players.

They usually just don't discuss PvP rather than arguing to exclude it. I wouldn't mind an increase in how PvP sources are done, so long as we also get more for PvE. I've never discussed PvP sources because I don't know them and almost never PvP.

xylena_lazarow

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Well, if you want clean laundry and no delicacies in the cat box you do what you have to do.

I too want to simulate this excitement in my video games!

ESO_player123

Kappachi wrote: »

The only place it's not available to get in PvP is battlegrounds... but in battlegrounds you get the scripts. I really see no issue. yes you have to do pve activities in cyrodiil/imperial city too, that's the point. I do wish some stuff dropped from the PvP Tales of Tribute too but already plenty of winners there like paintings worth millions & every motif, etc... No idea actually if ink is actually possible from ToT but I'm going to guess it's not.

Painting worth millions that drop from ToT PvP matches????? What are those?