Feedback On Console Environmental Sustainability Features

WolfieVZ

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Is there still anyone here with me hoping to see a fix, finally, with next week patch? Or is this thread going to be removed from sticky ones without seeing the requested toggle added to the game options?

I still check back too, I mostly gave up hope, sure sucks after putting in 1k plus hours.

WolfieVZ

It's time to make this a toggle zos, lots of people don't see any improvement to the inventory, opening writ boxes and using the champion points screen are instant migraines.

So sad to see a great game ruined by eco nonsense.

SkaiFaith

Sadly I still experience quite bad strobing with VRR during loading screens, but the menu seems more manageable (not 100% there yet).

At least I can say that HDR has improved the aspect of the game, yes on console - we already had it but now it seems to be working way better!

Also: good job with the new menu sounds! It kinda gives nostalgia.

ellmarie

WolfieVZ wrote: »

It's time to make this a toggle zos, lots of people don't see any improvement to the inventory, opening writ boxes and using the champion points screen are instant migraines.

So sad to see a great game ruined by eco nonsense.

Yeah, this has been an issue with me lately. Equilibrium just feels off.

CAB_Life

Sad that this game is still in the state that it is. I assume they’ve shifted resources and/ or staff to their upcoming MMO project. Regardless, I’ve found a very similar game to which to devote my free time. I won’t say what it is, as I’m sure that’s against the rules here. That said, it’s a new release with very similar action based systems. Also, ESO, is looking very, very dated at this point so it’s almost unimaginable that they would do anything to exacerbate this flaw. But here we are.

katanagirl1

My post yesterday was closed and diverted to here.

There is a new concern after the last patch. While trying to scroll through the sticker book to view the new Cyrodiil PvP gear that was added, the 30 fps in the UI menus is not even reaching that number and trying to view the page while scrolling causes headaches because it is so much more jittery than before. I have never had issues with migraines while playing video games before like some others have stated, but it was debilitating for me. It took several minutes to recover.

Please revert all “sustainability” features while we are actively playing the game. If you want to lower the resolution for the 3 minutes I go afk to the bathroom it is not a big deal, though it is still a useless feel-good measure that actually accomplishes nothing. I wonder if the continuous switching from 30 fps to 60 is causing more lag and other problems.

Destai

On PS5, is anyone else noticing that menus are a little jumpy when you open them? I’ve noticed since U44, the text especially just gets blurry and shaky when first opened. I wonder if it’s related to these changes and any related changes and tweaks.

Bammlschwamml

I shop a lot less at guild traders because of this "feature". Every time i close the menu and move to the next guild trader, my screen freezes and my eyes tell my stomach to get sick.

La_Croft

WolfieVZ wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Is there still anyone here with me hoping to see a fix, finally, with next week patch? Or is this thread going to be removed from sticky ones without seeing the requested toggle added to the game options?

I still check back too, I mostly gave up hope, sure sucks after putting in 1k plus hours.

Same here. I wasted 6 month of eso plus and bought the expansion like an idiot just to have this implemented making it unplayable for me...

WolfieVZ

It is December,
Still, no news on this issue,
All hope is now lost.

D4rk

WolfieVZ wrote: »

It is December,
Still, no news on this issue,
All hope is now lost.

Nothing will change.

WolfieVZ

Any chance someone fixing the server could flip a switch to turn off the forced environmental features that ruin some of our game experience?

I'm guessing we are a minority, but it truly is baffling that zos cares nothing for those who are now unable to play this game.

I actually love eso, but now it is impossible to play, and has been for like 6 months.

Once again stating clearly that I want to play, but looking at inventory and champion screens especially give me a migraine and make me vomit, in that order.

Even if only 1000 of us were negatively affected by this decision, that's a thousand less people who love your game.

D4rk

WolfieVZ wrote: »

Any chance someone fixing the server could flip a switch to turn off the forced environmental features that ruin some of our game experience?

I'm guessing we are a minority, but it truly is baffling that zos cares nothing for those who are now unable to play this game.

I actually love eso, but now it is impossible to play, and has been for like 6 months.

Once again stating clearly that I want to play, but looking at inventory and champion screens especially give me a migraine and make me vomit, in that order.

Even if only 1000 of us were negatively affected by this decision, that's a thousand less people who love your game.

Don't count on it.

The current issue wouldn't make it possible or plausible for changing something inside the game.

And even after months of updates the Sustainability Features won't get removed. What can happen is that they will try shaping it so it bothers players less, like what they have already done.

Map is now normal again at 60fps. ✔️

Menu is still capped. ❌

Pressing enter to open chat will lower fps to 30. ❌

Being AFK will lower screen resolution and fps. ❌

Oh, look. Most of the problems are still there. Well, they really want to keep them. Companies need to have a good image out there, and Microsoft is going heavy on Sustainability, but that is "trashing" the game while they yell "don't throw trash around".

BrimstoneFox

Hello Developers,

Last time there was an emergency maintenance issue that took about a day to fix I missed out on the end of the month Daily Check-In Rewards because it locked out the last day of the month. Moreover, I missed out on my daily endeavors. Most days, I only log infor the daily check in reward and the daily endeavors because I wait until my scheduled days off to play the actual zone, PVP content or DLC stories or work on achievements. So my question is this: in addition to plying us with gifts for being denied play on a game many of us pay a subscription fee to play (which you truly ought to do) are you going to also credit us for 2 days worth of daily check in rewards and daily endeavor points? I can't make up for what you failed to allow me to achieve. I pay for ESO Plus, and I buy the annual DLCs. I deserve to not be denied because your system went down. My PSN name is Fox_N_Vixen. I check in every day. I want what's due me for my money and my commitment.

WolfieVZ

BrimstoneFox wrote: »

Hello Developers,

Last time there was an emergency maintenance issue that took about a day to fix I missed out on the end of the month Daily Check-In Rewards because it locked out the last day of the month. Moreover, I missed out on my daily endeavors. Most days, I only log infor the daily check in reward and the daily endeavors because I wait until my scheduled days off to play the actual zone, PVP content or DLC stories or work on achievements. So my question is this: in addition to plying us with gifts for being denied play on a game many of us pay a subscription fee to play (which you truly ought to do) are you going to also credit us for 2 days worth of daily check in rewards and daily endeavor points? I can't make up for what you failed to allow me to achieve. I pay for ESO Plus, and I buy the annual DLCs. I deserve to not be denied because your system went down. My PSN name is Fox_N_Vixen. I check in every day. I want what's due me for my money and my commitment.

This thread is about the console sustainability features, it kind of looks like you are having different issues, I would post a new topic instead, this isn't the right place.

katanagirl1

I want to add to my complaints about lowering the frame rate while playing to (supposedly) 30 fps in UI menu. It looks more like 15-20 fps as well.

Also, if I preview something in the Crown store like a mount, I see this ridiculously low frame rate when my hardware is supposed to be guaranteed 60 fps. It definitely makes me not want to buy anything.

SkaiFaith

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I want to add to my complaints about lowering the frame rate while playing to (supposedly) 30 fps in UI menu. It looks more like 15-20 fps as well.

Also, if I preview something in the Crown store like a mount, I see this ridiculously low frame rate when my hardware is supposed to be guaranteed 60 fps. It definitely makes me not want to buy anything.

It also makes you not want to buy a console anymore... On PC more control over YOUR stuff is guaranteed, at least for now... Who knows.

EDIT: talking as an Xbox player... Whatever an Xbox is...

Reinfarcements

This NEEDS to be an option. You can keep the framerate cap as default option, that way people who don't know/care about this will have it enabled. Those of us who can't stand this, even MONTHS later (we didn't get used to it) can turn it off.

D4rk

All hope is now lost. This is our new reality now.

SkaiFaith

D4rk wrote: »

All hope is now lost. This is our new reality now.

"Heartbroken reaction" missing, unfortunately.

sans-culottes

I’m all for sustainability, but what’s the actual outcome of this? Qualitatively, this has been an unpleasant addition for many console players for a range of reasons. Is this affecting server performance or providing demonstrable energy consumption savings that can be quantifiably demonstrated to console players?

It’s problematic to force this on the subset of players with fewer options for interacting with this content. Disappointing that this has remained ignored. Tagging @ZOS_Kevin in the off chance that this catches his attention.

D4rk

rrbreezy wrote: »

I’m all for sustainability, but what’s the actual outcome of this? Qualitatively, this has been an unpleasant addition for many console players for a range of reasons. Is this affecting server performance or providing demonstrable energy consumption savings that can be quantifiably demonstrated to console players?

It’s problematic to force this on the subset of players with fewer options for interacting with this content. Disappointing that this has remained ignored. Tagging @ZOS_Kevin in the off chance that this catches his attention.

They broke something with the last update. CP perks aren't working. I made a post about this here in the forums, but no replies.

Even with all these sustainability stuff they still break things that they aim to improve the performance.

Destai

D4rk wrote: »

WolfieVZ wrote: »

Any chance someone fixing the server could flip a switch to turn off the forced environmental features that ruin some of our game experience?

I'm guessing we are a minority, but it truly is baffling that zos cares nothing for those who are now unable to play this game.

I actually love eso, but now it is impossible to play, and has been for like 6 months.

Once again stating clearly that I want to play, but looking at inventory and champion screens especially give me a migraine and make me vomit, in that order.

Even if only 1000 of us were negatively affected by this decision, that's a thousand less people who love your game.

Don't count on it.

The current issue wouldn't make it possible or plausible for changing something inside the game.

And even after months of updates the Sustainability Features won't get removed. What can happen is that they will try shaping it so it bothers players less, like what they have already done.

Map is now normal again at 60fps. ✔️

Menu is still capped. ❌

Pressing enter to open chat will lower fps to 30. ❌

Being AFK will lower screen resolution and fps. ❌

Oh, look. Most of the problems are still there. Well, they really want to keep them. Companies need to have a good image out there, and Microsoft is going heavy on Sustainability, but that is "trashing" the game while they yell "don't throw trash around".

@ZOS_Kevin any word if they’re going to finish resolving the issues outlined above?

D4rk

Destai wrote: »

D4rk wrote: »

WolfieVZ wrote: »

Any chance someone fixing the server could flip a switch to turn off the forced environmental features that ruin some of our game experience?

I'm guessing we are a minority, but it truly is baffling that zos cares nothing for those who are now unable to play this game.

I actually love eso, but now it is impossible to play, and has been for like 6 months.

Once again stating clearly that I want to play, but looking at inventory and champion screens especially give me a migraine and make me vomit, in that order.

Even if only 1000 of us were negatively affected by this decision, that's a thousand less people who love your game.

Don't count on it.

The current issue wouldn't make it possible or plausible for changing something inside the game.

And even after months of updates the Sustainability Features won't get removed. What can happen is that they will try shaping it so it bothers players less, like what they have already done.

Map is now normal again at 60fps. ✔️

Menu is still capped. ❌

Pressing enter to open chat will lower fps to 30. ❌

Being AFK will lower screen resolution and fps. ❌

Oh, look. Most of the problems are still there. Well, they really want to keep them. Companies need to have a good image out there, and Microsoft is going heavy on Sustainability, but that is "trashing" the game while they yell "don't throw trash around".

@ZOS_Kevin any word if they’re going to finish resolving the issues outlined above?

The "issues" for us are "features" for them.

Surgee

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all. We're gathering some feedback regarding the Environmental Sustainability Features added in U42. Specifically, we would like feedback on the following patch note:

• Reduced GPU use in Contextual Menus (Xbox Series X|S and PS5): When viewing most menus, (eg. managing inventory, achievements, quest journal, etc) framerate is now capped to 30fps. Some menus are exempt on a case-by-case basis (eg. conversations, various mini-games). Testing in Performance Mode while in these menus shows a 50% reduction in GPU consumption, resulting in overall power consumption going from approximately 63% of the maximum possible on a console down to 37%.

We're seeing your feedback about menus capped to 30fps is causing issues for some of you. Please let us know how it is impacting your play experience. We are sharing this with our teams to better inform them of your feedback and how we can improve the experience overall. Additionally, if you are experiencing other framerate issues with either your menus or player character, please note those here as well. Thanks, all.

It blows my mind that someone in ZOS thought it's a good idea to implement it, and even put it as a priority over other stuff. All this while PC players have machines the size of a refrigerator, consuming 10x more power.

The decisions of the team are so bizarre that for the most time I think they're bugs and need to be reported.

Can you please elaborate what have you, or the world gained from this change? For example, console players gained a migraine.

sans-culottes

Surgee wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all. We're gathering some feedback regarding the Environmental Sustainability Features added in U42. Specifically, we would like feedback on the following patch note:

• Reduced GPU use in Contextual Menus (Xbox Series X|S and PS5): When viewing most menus, (eg. managing inventory, achievements, quest journal, etc) framerate is now capped to 30fps. Some menus are exempt on a case-by-case basis (eg. conversations, various mini-games). Testing in Performance Mode while in these menus shows a 50% reduction in GPU consumption, resulting in overall power consumption going from approximately 63% of the maximum possible on a console down to 37%.

We're seeing your feedback about menus capped to 30fps is causing issues for some of you. Please let us know how it is impacting your play experience. We are sharing this with our teams to better inform them of your feedback and how we can improve the experience overall. Additionally, if you are experiencing other framerate issues with either your menus or player character, please note those here as well. Thanks, all.

It blows my mind that someone in ZOS thought it's a good idea to implement it, and even put it as a priority over other stuff. All this while PC players have machines the size of a refrigerator, consuming 10x more power.

The decisions of the team are so bizarre that for the most time I think they're bugs and need to be reported.

Can you please elaborate what have you, or the world gained from this change? For example, console players gained a migraine.

This is such a good point. That the devs have completely sidelined this discussion is a massive shame. If you’re going to force this “feature” on a console that uses less energy than a personal computer, and if your goal is to conserve energy, then logically you’d target the biggest sources of said energy consumption. Not that I buy this for a minute. From a “sustainability” perspective, this certainly hasn’t affected my bottom line.

Sadras

Adding my voice to say that the blurry screen after some moments of AFK is seriously uncomfortable. It causes eyestrain and can contibute to migraines on a bad day. Please make this a toggleable option.
I thought the game was actually trying on the accessibility front, but as many others have said, this "feature" can be detrimental to people's health and well-being, and I don't at all like that it's being ignored like this.

D4rk

Sadras wrote: »

Adding my voice to say that the blurry screen after some moments of AFK is seriously uncomfortable. It causes eyestrain and can contibute to migraines on a bad day. Please make this a toggleable option.
I thought the game was actually trying on the accessibility front, but as many others have said, this "feature" can be detrimental to people's health and well-being, and I don't at all like that it's being ignored like this.

I think that is the least of the problems... The worst is capping FPS in menus at all times, but lowering resolution and FPS when you are specifically AFK shouldn't be that noticeable or even uncomfortable, because you are AFK. No need to look at the screen at these times. I play on Xbox and there's a setting that dims the screen after 5 minutes AFK. The game lowers the resolution and FPS and the screen is dimmed, but I'm not paying attention to that, since I'm AFK.

SkaiFaith

D4rk wrote: »

Sadras wrote: »

Adding my voice to say that the blurry screen after some moments of AFK is seriously uncomfortable. It causes eyestrain and can contibute to migraines on a bad day. Please make this a toggleable option.
I thought the game was actually trying on the accessibility front, but as many others have said, this "feature" can be detrimental to people's health and well-being, and I don't at all like that it's being ignored like this.

I think that is the least of the problems... The worst is capping FPS in menus at all times, but lowering resolution and FPS when you are specifically AFK shouldn't be that noticeable or even uncomfortable, because you are AFK. No need to look at the screen at these times. I play on Xbox and there's a setting that dims the screen after 5 minutes AFK. The game lowers the resolution and FPS and the screen is dimmed, but I'm not paying attention to that, since I'm AFK.

Let's say I play in a dark room, with the screen being my only light source on. I'm on console so I often need to check phone or tablet to search online things like survey locations and stuff. It's annoying that just for doing a little research my room goes full darkness mode, or the screen goes blurry and I can't understand if a Boss I am camping has respawned or not.
It's unnecessary and annoying, making you want to turn off the screen for good, especially if you are an anxious person. I want to relax, thanks, not have a timer in mind that makes me rush to do things...

Fakeinit

Could addons create a toggle or disable these sustainability features?

I'm ignorant to the development of addons so I don't know if this is in the realm of possibility for what they can do...