Skyshards in PVP zones WHY?

KV_Tootn

As the title says... Skyshards in pvp zones WHY?.. I have done all skyshards in cyrodil, it took time and is paine in the (smooth place).
Constsnt killing while trying to get a skyshard or standing fishing. Then when i noticed i have done it ,but mising some in the Impreial city severs and there is even a aouside...
Why are ZOS pushing us into PVP , some of us hate it and dont want to bother with it. The severs were hard as alone you die fast and players are mostly <snip>, they see someone is just runing by..Nooo lets gank the <snip> out of him. I reaaly wished i couldg get all skyshards , but i dont want to do PVP......
Same goes to the quests in these areas, to do them you just need to get <snip>. ganked over and over and over and over.... i play in pve guilds and i prefer pve content.
SO why are we pushed into PVP?
No i dont want to git gud, nor i want to pvp..

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Desiato

They are there for players who PVP. You are not being pushed to get them. They are optional -- especially now with so many sources of skyshards and skill points in the game.

Furthermore, one can get the skyshards without engaging in PVP themselves. Yes, you may be killed by another player, but who cares? You don't actually lose anything.

To me a post like this speaks to how ridiculously easy overland content is. They've made the average mob so useless, players actually expect to be able to play without the risk of dying.

KV_Tootn

Desiato wrote: »

They are there for players who PVP. You are not being pushed to get them. They are optional -- especially now with so many sources of skyshards and skill points in the game.

Furthermore, one can get the skyshards without engaging in PVP themselves. Yes, you may be killed by another player, but who cares? You don't actually lose anything.

To me a post like this speaks to how ridiculously easy overland content is. They've made the average mob so useless, players actually expect to be able to play without the risk of dying.

I disegree with you.. ALL the mobs are deadly , till you learn how to play , get enough levels and have enough cp power.
i love the chalange of raid boses and sttrong enemys , but not gankers who just cant run by you not starting , killing you.....
Some achiewments are linkt to those areas and you cant get them done if you not doing these quests there and get that <snip> there,.... If the achiewments wouldnt ask for those zones to be done i would ignore them....

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Desiato

Not all achievements are intended for all players. They may be something you want, but they're not something you need. Just because they exist doesn't mean you're being pushed to do them.

By your logic, the game should have no rewards or achievements for things *you* don't enjoy. This is actually a pretty common perspective in the forums!

EdjeSwift

I'm gonna leave this right here.



Of the 544 Skill Points currently available; 50 come from Alliance War Rank, 15.33 from Cyrodiil and 5.3 from IC, that's a total of a little under 13% of all skill points available in game currently. I don't even have all 50 from Alliance War Rank on that character and I'm still sitting at 172 unassigned points. In the past PvP skyshards were more important but these days they're more than optional.

valenwood_vegan

I mean I don't like pvp either, but no one *has to* do content that doesn't interest them? There are what, two pvp zones and almost ~40 non-pvp zones (with more skyshards and skill points added to pve every year too). Players who only want to pvp have it much worse in terms of being "forced" to do content they aren't here to do. There's so much to do in pve without ever setting foot in pvp areas (and for vigor and continuous attack, the cyro tutorial exists... which requires no pvp).

God forbid the pvp zones have stuff in them for the players who want to pvp. The game doesn't just revolve around what one type of player wants to do.

KV_Tootn

SkaraMinoc

KV_Tootn wrote: »

thorwyn

I picked up every one of them and did not PvP once in the process. *shrug*

OtarTheMad

Best ways to get these are if you don’t like PvP are:

During Whitestrake Mayhem, find a campaign your alliance dominates and it’ll be easy

Go on a dead/quiet server and get them.

Before you reach level 50 go into lowbie and get them.

valenwood_vegan

Also with account-wide achievements now, since it seems like the actual issue here is the achievement... you can go on different characters and get the skyshards in each faction's territory... it used to all have to be done on one character and you had to wait till your faction took the entire map to get some of the last skyshards behind other factions' gates. So much easier now.

In addition to some of the suggestions above, use a nb or invisibility pots and/or the vampire passive / night mother's silence set for faster sneak speed. Go at a quiet time or on a quiet server. It's NOT some insurmountable thing where there's a sweaty pvp army defending each skyshard.

KlauthWarthog

KV_Tootn wrote: »

No i dont want to git gud, nor i want to pvp..

So... don't?
PvP is completely optional in this game.
You can even max the Alliance War skill lines by going all-out stonemason and burning through repair kits instead of fighting.

zaria

Only issue with Cyrodil skyshards is the time it take to ride around.
Do the hard ones then your faction hold all the keeps, preferably at slow hours but its also then capping happens.
Go fight the scroll temple guards and die an pvp death so you can respawn at any keep.
This let you get the 4 gated off shards and the ones right outside.

And then I do pvp I do it on pvp characters and has no time for skyshards unless right in the path.

Tommy_The_Gun

There are ways to get those Skyshards without PvP-ing. Just find a campaign in which your alliance is winning (or night caping & the whole map is yours). In IC all you need is a dead campaign with minimal population.

Additionally, best way to avoid PvP is not to be seen in a 1st place, so you can try to do it on a NB or Vamp, or just craft some invisibility potions. Then, combine that with some quick & cheap build that is focused on speed & crouch stealth. For example, you can use:
- Night's Silence (Ignore the Movement Speed penalty of Sneak),
- Vesture of Darloc Brae (Gives you tons of resources while sneaking, so you can sneak indefinitely),
- Some speed buff set like Ring of the Wild Hunt + 3 Swift Jewellery.

You should be hyper fast and hard to detect (some one will have to actively look for you & then try to catch you). This is the build I tend to use when I do IC PvE stuff. For extra safety, you can always try to go for like 40K+ health, so that even if you will be detected, enemy player might not even try to kill you once the see large health pool.

LaintalAy

KV_Tootn wrote: »

As the title says... Skyshards in pvp zones WHY?.. I have done all skyshards in cyrodil, it took time and is paine in the (smooth place).
Constsnt killing while trying to get a skyshard or standing fishing. Then when i noticed i have done it ,but mising some in the Impreial city severs and there is even a aouside...
Why are ZOS pushing us into PVP , some of us hate it and dont want to bother with it. The severs were hard as alone you die fast and players are mostly ***, they see someone is just runing by..Nooo lets gank the *** out of him. I reaaly wished i couldg get all skyshards , but i dont want to do PVP......
Same goes to the quests in these areas, to do them you just need to get f.... ganked over and over and over and over.... i play in pve guilds and i prefer pve content.
SO why are we pushed into PVP?
No i dont want to git gud, nor i want to pvp..

If you have access to all the new zones, then you shouldn't now need to go to Cyro for shards. There are now enough elsewhere that will give you a useful number skill points.

If you don't regularly subscribe, then plan a subscribed month to get the shards. Once you have collected all the shards in each zone, you can buy them for other characters. The group event shard in each zone will be the hardest. At least you'll be killed by NPCs and not some random psychopath.

If you must go to Cyro, then check when your alliance is winning and get some from the safer areas. Use speed buffs to get around Cyro. Go after prime time. This may take some weeks or months, depending on your alliance's changing fortunes.

Again, you don't need to go to IC for shards. I recommend trying it, mainly as a test of how your builds are progressing.

If you are still researching traits for crafting, this can use up to 16 skill points when maxed over four crafts.
Once you finishing researching, you can re-allocate these at Skills shrine back into something more useful to you.

KV_Tootn

Thank you all for input.. I think i will end my hunt for greater good )) Much love to ya all

Warhawke_80

Looking at he sheer number and when I say sheer I mean ridiculous number of sky shards in Necrom....I think the ones in PVP area's have become... trivial.

I mean I agree Cyrodil is this vast sad area left to rot because no one is PVPing ...but we have a ever expanding world with plenty of Sky Shards.

Would I like to see Cyrodil reworked so we don't have the same ten gankers looking for victims? You betcha...but I'm not going to hold my breath Change isn't something that really happens in ESO.

CameraBeardThePirate

I can't wait for the endless salt posts about this year's Q4 PvP update.

No one is forcing you to do anything, and both the no-CP IC and Cyrodiil campaigns are literally dead on any given day. You will almost certainly never even see a player if you hop in one of those campaigns during off hours.

TaSheen

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

I can't wait for the endless salt posts about this year's Q4 PvP update.

No one is forcing you to do anything, and both the no-CP IC and Cyrodiil campaigns are literally dead on any given day. You will almost certainly never even see a player if you hop in one of those campaigns during off hours.

I never even saw many op fac players when I was fishing in Cyro on characters from 3 accounts getting master angler. The few I did see were calmly fishing with me. No one killed me. No one bothered me at all, and I was not on AD characters, I was on DC characters so the AD fishing spots were a VERY long way from "home" for them.

ArchMikem

Desiato wrote: »

They are there for players who PVP. You are not being pushed to get them. They are optional -- especially now with so many sources of skyshards and skill points in the game.

Furthermore, one can get the skyshards without engaging in PVP themselves. Yes, you may be killed by another player, but who cares? You don't actually lose anything.

To me a post like this speaks to how ridiculously easy overland content is. They've made the average mob so useless, players actually expect to be able to play without the risk of dying.

NPC mobs dont hunt you. They dont make it their mission to kill you. They don't find pleasure in defeating you and they don't rub it in your face by bagging you. It has nothing to do with difficulty, it has everything to do with who is behind the controls of what is attacking you.

ProudMary

KV_Tootn wrote: »

As the title says... Skyshards in pvp zones WHY?.. I have done all skyshards in cyrodil, it took time and is paine in the (smooth place).
Constsnt killing while trying to get a skyshard or standing fishing. Then when i noticed i have done it ,but mising some in the Impreial city severs and there is even a aouside...
Why are ZOS pushing us into PVP , some of us hate it and dont want to bother with it. The severs were hard as alone you die fast and players are mostly <snip>, they see someone is just runing by..Nooo lets gank the <snip> out of him. I reaaly wished i couldg get all skyshards , but i dont want to do PVP......
Same goes to the quests in these areas, to do them you just need to get <snip>. ganked over and over and over and over.... i play in pve guilds and i prefer pve content.
SO why are we pushed into PVP?
No i dont want to git gud, nor i want to pvp..

<snipped for Cursing/Profanity>

For the same reason there are skyshards in PvE zones.

LaintalAy

why.
There are 15 (i think) shards in each alliance zone of Cyro.
Of which there are 2 in each alliance starting zone.

This is a progression thing.

• You can get at least two safely, just by going to your own starting zone.
• You theoretically have access to all but the last four during periods where your alliance has control of the relevant areas and I think the idea is that you should now be actively engaging in the campaigns. But you don't need to be.
• The last four are the hardest as you will need to go into the other two allaince zones to get them. This will involve a fight, but by then you will have done the appropriate 'git gud' work. Or be taking help with you.

AzuraFan

TaSheen wrote: »

I never even saw many op fac players when I was fishing in Cyro on characters from 3 accounts getting master angler. The few I did see were calmly fishing with me. No one killed me. No one bothered me at all, and I was not on AD characters, I was on DC characters so the AD fishing spots were a VERY long way from "home" for them.

Same for me in Cyrodiil. I got master angler fishing on one character and never ran into trouble. The only time I've ever been killed in Cyrodiil when doing PvE stuff is being jumped when turning in a quest, usually by someone camping the spot in stealth. Annoying, but I figure it's my good deed for the day, giving a kill to someone who isn't good enough to earn one fairly (if they were, they wouldn't be camping quest givers).

I haven't tried doing anything in IC yet, except I've gotten a few skyshards when sneaking around to use the keys we get during whatever event gives them.

Wereswan

EdjeSwift wrote: »

I'm gonna leave this right here.



Of the 544 Skill Points currently available; 50 come from Alliance War Rank, 15.33 from Cyrodiil and 5.3 from IC, that's a total of a little under 13% of all skill points available in game currently. I don't even have all 50 from Alliance War Rank on that character and I'm still sitting at 172 unassigned points. In the past PvP skyshards were more important but these days they're more than optional.

Meanwhile, it takes 586 skill points to fill in every skill line and morph every active skill on one character.

But hey, at least we're getting closer to having enough.

LaintalAy

Wereswan wrote: »

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Meanwhile, it takes 586 skill points to fill in every skill line and morph every active skill on one character.

But hey, at least we're getting closer to having enough.

Why would you need every skill line filled?
Once you finish trait researching, you don't need those filled.

sarahthes

Wereswan wrote: »

EdjeSwift wrote: »

I'm gonna leave this right here.



Of the 544 Skill Points currently available; 50 come from Alliance War Rank, 15.33 from Cyrodiil and 5.3 from IC, that's a total of a little under 13% of all skill points available in game currently. I don't even have all 50 from Alliance War Rank on that character and I'm still sitting at 172 unassigned points. In the past PvP skyshards were more important but these days they're more than optional.

Meanwhile, it takes 586 skill points to fill in every skill line and morph every active skill on one character.

But hey, at least we're getting closer to having enough.

That's what armory is for. I have just about every skill in the game leveled on my main, and I have 3 different loadouts for him that I switch between at will.

I_killed_Vivec

Desiato wrote: »

Furthermore, one can get the skyshards without engaging in PVP themselves. Yes, you may be killed by another player, but who cares? You don't actually lose anything.

You do, and this is the biggest issue I have with Cyrodiil - you lose time.

Get killed by a ganker when turning in a quest, or fishing, or skysharding - who knows where you respawn, and then it's ages of riding simulator before you can get back.

ESO_player123

Do you have any alts on different alliances? If so, just use the alt that matches the alliance of the area of Cyrodill you need the skyshards from.

kargen27

The skyshards and other PvE type of things in Cyrodiil are there to entice players into visiting the zone. While there some may find the actually like PvP. That is good for the game. For those that decide PvP isn't for them they don't have to return. It is good for the game that players do a multitude of activities in the game. That is why there are armor sets earned in PvE activity that is good for PvP. Gets players to try more stuff.
If there were no PvE activities in Cyrodiil some players who enjoy PvP may have never tried PvP. That would have been a shame.

Desiato

ArchMikem wrote: »

NPC mobs dont hunt you. They dont make it their mission to kill you. They don't find pleasure in defeating you and they don't rub it in your face by bagging you. It has nothing to do with difficulty, it has everything to do with who is behind the controls of what is attacking you.

So? Who cares? Dying in a game shouldn't matter, regardless of the circumstances. If it does, it's not an issue with the game.

Plus in this game, there's no exp or gear loss. Dying in Cyrodiil on your way to a skyshard isn't going to let anyone down. The stakes aren't high and if you don't make an issue of it, the player killing you will completely forget about it pretty shortly after. It's a nothing thing.

Hapexamendios

The only reason any are hard to get is that they're behind enemy gates. There's only 4 of those. The vast majority can me acquired with little trouble.