Adventurer Across a Decade requirements are too much

jaekobcaed

I just finished reading the article about the upcoming 10-year achievement. I noticed that the requirements are way too much. I totally understand making it a requirement to finish all the chapters but throwing zone DLCs in the mix isn't very fair. I've been playing this game since beta (though I skipped year one due to the subscription) and I won't be able to get this achievement because I don't have many of the zone DLCs.

Again, requiring completion of the chapters, that makes total sense and it's fair, since those are the heart of the game's ongoing development. However, having requirements related to all the zone DLCs is just downright unfair. I don't have the money to buy all of them, nor do I have the time to make subbing to ESO Plus a worthwhile investment at this point in my life, so how is it fair that a literal 10-year veteran who played beta isn't going to be able to get this achievement at all unless my life massively changes between now and then?

Please reconsider these requirements, ZOS. I'd even be okay with it requiring all of the pre-Morrowind story DLCs, since most of us have those, but requiring every zone DLC is just too much.

VisitHammerfell

The reward is for questers who have quested a decade of quests. If you don't have access to DLCs the achievement is not for you. I can't complete vet Rockgrove speed run no death hard mode, but I 100% all of Blackwood overland, I should get the Sul Xan Fleshripper mount then? If it's not a "worthwhile investment" then don't complain and take away something special for loyal questers.

LostScot

I get your perspective on this. For someone without the majority of the DLC, this is a big achievement to tick off the list.

Thankfully we already know this achievement is not a temporary offering. The developers have advised us that it is a permanent addition to the game. When you have the various missing DLCs you'll still be able to claim it!

One thing crossed my mind, as a beta veteran like yourself I found it a bit sad that you've not been able to enjoy the benefits of ESO+ in all this time. I investigated the option of gifting you an ESO+ subscription (bit like we could do with the game time cards before the Tamriel Unlimited revamp changed the subscription model), alas gifting subscriptions is not viable at this time.

The cheapest way to get all the available DLC permanently is to purchase the Collection: Gold Road™ bundle from the web site. This will likely be available at a ridiculously cheap knock-down price towards the end of the year, following previous sale schedules.

Main thing is don't despair - the achievement will be waiting for you when you are equipped to tackle it

Blood_again

As a 10-year veteran, who played beta, I have my Imgakin monkey.
The game doesn't owe me any other achievements for my participation in beta test. Please stop shaking the beta participation for unrelated things.

I want a new achievement - I do the required things. Plain and simple.

Danikat

Two things to consider:

Firstly it's a permanent addition to the game, there's no time limit on getting it. If you ever do buy the DLC or subscribe to ESO+ long enough you'll be able to complete the achievement and get the skin.

Secondly it's one skin. If you don't own any of the DLC there's a lot of achievements and collectibles you won't be able to get because they require playing areas of the game you don't have access to. This will just be another one on that list.

I'm in a similar position, although for different reasons. I own all the non-dungeon DLC but I'm no where close to having completed all the quests (or even the main quests) so it will be a long time before I can get this. But according to the collectibles menu there's a lot of skins already in the game I haven't unlocked and I never use the ones I have got, so it doesn't matter to me.

Dagoth_Rac

LostScot wrote: »

The cheapest way to get all the available DLC permanently is to purchase the Collection: Gold Road™ bundle from the web site. This will likely be available at a ridiculously cheap knock-down price towards the end of the year, following previous sale schedules.

Does that include DLC? I was under the impression that the "Collections" only include prior Chapters, not DLC like Deadlands, Gold Coast, Clockwork City, The Reach, etc., etc.

Danikat

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

LostScot wrote: »

The cheapest way to get all the available DLC permanently is to purchase the Collection: Gold Road™ bundle from the web site. This will likely be available at a ridiculously cheap knock-down price towards the end of the year, following previous sale schedules.

Does that include DLC? I was under the impression that the "Collections" only include prior Chapters, not DLC like Deadlands, Gold Coast, Clockwork City, The Reach, etc., etc.

You're right, it only includes previous chapters, not the story or dungeon DLC. Those are only available on the crown store or by subscribing to ESO+.

LostScot

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

LostScot wrote: »

The cheapest way to get all the available DLC permanently is to purchase the Collection: Gold Road™ bundle from the web site. This will likely be available at a ridiculously cheap knock-down price towards the end of the year, following previous sale schedules.

Does that include DLC? I was under the impression that the "Collections" only include prior Chapters, not DLC like Deadlands, Gold Coast, Clockwork City, The Reach, etc., etc.

You're right - my bad! Apologies!

vsrs_au

Personally, I think having the achievement (and associated title??) is probably worth more than the actual skin.

tonyblack

IMHO, it should also require all dungeons stories as well. Getting main zone quests done is way too easy and not that special.

ApoAlaia

tonyblack wrote: »

IMHO, it should also require all dungeons stories as well. Getting main zone quests done is way too easy and not that special.

Given that Cyro doesn't have a 'zone story' per-se also Emperor and Grand Overlord at least on one character in the account.

Katheriah

Danikat wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

LostScot wrote: »

The cheapest way to get all the available DLC permanently is to purchase the Collection: Gold Road™ bundle from the web site. This will likely be available at a ridiculously cheap knock-down price towards the end of the year, following previous sale schedules.

Does that include DLC? I was under the impression that the "Collections" only include prior Chapters, not DLC like Deadlands, Gold Coast, Clockwork City, The Reach, etc., etc.

You're right, it only includes previous chapters, not the story or dungeon DLC. Those are only available on the crown store or by subscribing to ESO+.

Or by enjoying the free ESO+ events. Not sure if there's anything planned now, but it would make sense to do it extra for the anniversary.

Tra_Lalan

This achievement is fine as it is.
Its made for ESO 10 years celebration, as far as I remember during those 10 years we had some more content than just the base game.
Also you can complete all the additional quest lines during eso free trials.

AnduinTryggva

jaekobcaed wrote: »

I just finished reading the article about the upcoming 10-year achievement. I noticed that the requirements are way too much. I totally understand making it a requirement to finish all the chapters but throwing zone DLCs in the mix isn't very fair. I've been playing this game since beta (though I skipped year one due to the subscription) and I won't be able to get this achievement because I don't have many of the zone DLCs.

Again, requiring completion of the chapters, that makes total sense and it's fair, since those are the heart of the game's ongoing development. However, having requirements related to all the zone DLCs is just downright unfair. I don't have the money to buy all of them, nor do I have the time to make subbing to ESO Plus a worthwhile investment at this point in my life, so how is it fair that a literal 10-year veteran who played beta isn't going to be able to get this achievement at all unless my life massively changes between now and then?

Please reconsider these requirements, ZOS. I'd even be okay with it requiring all of the pre-Morrowind story DLCs, since most of us have those, but requiring every zone DLC is just too much.

Well, as beta you have access to things iirc (the tiger mount) that others will never enjoy because they were probably too young to play ESO during beta phase... is that fairer?

jaekobcaed

I have to laugh at the idea that you're not a "loyal quester" (my favorite part of this game) because you can't afford to buy up all the story DLCs or find the time to justify ESO Plus to run through those questlines. It really wouldn't have been hard for ZOS to have made it chapters-only.

As for ESO Plus, I'm not saying I can't find value in it. It's just that I hesitate to pay subs in any MMO, especially if I don't have the time to dedicate to playing the game every day for at least a few hours. ESO Plus is a great value but ESO is far from the only game I play and the fact that I have far less time now than I did even back as a young adult when the game's beta was running, that makes it not worth it for me at this stage of my life.

I am happy to hear it's a long-term update and won't be time-limited. I'd be inclined to get angry if that were the case. At this point, it's just a mild frustration, as it feels more like a cash grab rather than a reward for people who love playing the game's story content.

Finally, I'll conclude with this: I'm not "shaking the beta participation for unrelated things". I'm simply saying that as someone who has been around since the beginning, and as someone who absolutely loves story content, it seems awfully unfair and -- as I said prior -- cash grabby to require all the story DLCs when there are plenty of players out there like me who mainly focus on the chapters since they're more worth the financial investment.

PS: To the people suggesting the ESO Plus free trials, I already do that but those are so few and far between that it's not realistic. I've been playing Clockwork City the past few times and still haven't finished it, since I play for the story, not to rush through it.

PPS: I don't have anything for beta participation except a tiny monkey pet (Imgakin monkey). Not even a title. Sure, it's nice to have, I'm not ungrateful. However, an achievement, skin and the possibility of a title (not sure) seems to offer a lot more prestige (for lack of a better word).

loveeso

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

The reward is for questers who have quested a decade of quests.

Oh, absolutely! Because nothing says ‘Thank you for a decade of loyalty’ like forcing you to buy the latest shiny expansion, Gold Road (to access the zone - West Weald - required to get this new achievement and skin). It’s like throwing a birthday party but charging your friends for cake by the slice. The game’s been out since April 4, 2014, right? So, by my expert calculations, that’s a full decade as of April 2024. Now, I’m no math wizard, but even I know that June (Gold Road) comes after April. So, if this reward is truly for the ‘decade of quests,’ then why does it feel like the real quest is navigating through a maze of paywalls? It’s almost as if someone decided that the best way to honor ten years of questing is to test our ability to quest for more money in our wallets. But hey, what do I know? On the other hand, I’m sure there are many intelligent people here who can see through the ‘generosity’ veil. 😉

jaekobcaed

loveeso wrote: »

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

The reward is for questers who have quested a decade of quests.

Oh, absolutely! Because nothing says ‘Thank you for a decade of loyalty’ like forcing you to buy the latest shiny expansion, Gold Road (to access the zone - West Weald - required to get this new achievement and skin). It’s like throwing a birthday party but charging your friends for cake by the slice. The game’s been out since April 4, 2014, right? So, by my expert calculations, that’s a full decade as of April 2024. Now, I’m no math wizard, but even I know that June (Gold Road) comes after April. So, if this reward is truly for the ‘decade of quests,’ then why does it feel like the real quest is navigating through a maze of paywalls? It’s almost as if someone decided that the best way to honor ten years of questing is to test our ability to quest for more money in our wallets. But hey, what do I know? On the other hand, I’m sure there are many intelligent people here who can see through the ‘generosity’ veil. 😉

Glad to see I'm not the only one that feels this way. I'm a fan of ZOS but this really does feel more like a veiled cash grab to me.

Skullstachio

[snip]

Because what I see is a skin that is literally locked to newer players behind a very large paywall that is "How Many Chapters? 17." The only souls who would defend this are the ones most likely to be those who played halfway through ESO's life all the way back to beta and then some where they slowly paid for newer content over time rather than all at once, and those who are willfully negligent in the bad practices that occur both within and beyond and a few possible handful of others I may not know of.

Proverbially Tallying it up, counting direct crown purchases and counting "upgrade" prices.(not counting the base game, free eso+ times, times where DLC chapters became free which includes the 10y anniversary stuff or crowns obtained through direct purchase of eso+ Subs, etc.) you as a newer player are looking at upwards of about roughly 519.93+ in USD before counting the upcoming gold road chapter, Understand that this is not chump change upfront for anyone that is almost within or below middle-working class People.

for better context this was rounded off from the prices on fextralife's ESO Page that hasn't been updated since february of this year so the price I calculated in USD undoubtedly may not be a completely accurate reflection of how much it would cost upfront as there are factors like fluctuating economy, currency exchanges, etc. if anyone more versed in that field wants to add on to this, not to mention crown prices may have shifted over time also and may be different currently.

For that amount of cheddar, one could score multiple different games and even more if heavily discounted on platforms like steam, or even help ones own family pay board/bills, etc.

[edited for baiting]

AnduinTryggva

jaekobcaed wrote: »

loveeso wrote: »

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

The reward is for questers who have quested a decade of quests.

Oh, absolutely! Because nothing says ‘Thank you for a decade of loyalty’ like forcing you to buy the latest shiny expansion, Gold Road (to access the zone - West Weald - required to get this new achievement and skin). It’s like throwing a birthday party but charging your friends for cake by the slice. The game’s been out since April 4, 2014, right? So, by my expert calculations, that’s a full decade as of April 2024. Now, I’m no math wizard, but even I know that June (Gold Road) comes after April. So, if this reward is truly for the ‘decade of quests,’ then why does it feel like the real quest is navigating through a maze of paywalls? It’s almost as if someone decided that the best way to honor ten years of questing is to test our ability to quest for more money in our wallets. But hey, what do I know? On the other hand, I’m sure there are many intelligent people here who can see through the ‘generosity’ veil. 😉

Glad to see I'm not the only one that feels this way. I'm a fan of ZOS but this really does feel more like a veiled cash grab to me.

I can understand your point.

What I don't quite understand: Each chapter, be it DLC or not, has achievements, titles, even dyes and sometimes even body or face paints available only to those who own the DLC.

What is so different here?

I think it is ok to have ONE achievement, the skin and maybe(!) a title that is for those who bought all the DLCs or are ESO+ members?

AcadianPaladin

I don't pay any attention to achievements unless they are enjoyable. I might do a bit extra if the achievement reward is something I really want. I have all the achievements for this new skin except I never finished the main questline in Craglorn as I found it not very solo friendly and I'm a soloist. Fortunately, the skin is an ugly one that I don't want so problem solved. The decision might be a little tougher if the achievement reward was a beautiful dye color or something I might want.

Dragonnord

loveeso wrote: »

...forcing you to buy the latest shiny expansion, Gold Road (to access the zone - West Weald - required to get this new achievement and skin). It’s like throwing a birthday party but charging your friends for cake by the slice.

They don't force you to anything. Since the achievement has no expiration, you can wait for the Chapter to become a DLC and then you can buy it with in-game gold (free currency) or access it while a ESO Plus free trial is on.

So, again, ZOS is forcing you to nothing and is charging you nothing.

We all had to wait 10 years for the achievement to be available, so if you can't or don't want to pay, you can surely wait a little more to get your "slice of cake" for free.
 

fizl101

Skullstachio wrote: »

[snip]

Because what I see is a skin that is literally locked to newer players behind a very large paywall that is "How Many Chapters? 17." The only souls who would defend this are the ones most likely to be those who played halfway through ESO's life all the way back to beta and then some where they slowly paid for newer content over time rather than all at once, and those who are willfully negligent in the bad practices that occur both within and beyond and a few possible handful of others I may not know of.

Proverbially Tallying it up, counting direct crown purchases and counting "upgrade" prices.(not counting the base game, free eso+ times, times where DLC chapters became free which includes the 10y anniversary stuff or crowns obtained through direct purchase of eso+ Subs, etc.) you as a newer player are looking at upwards of about roughly 519.93+ in USD before counting the upcoming gold road chapter, Understand that this is not chump change upfront for anyone that is almost within or below middle-working class People.

for better context this was rounded off from the prices on fextralife's ESO Page that hasn't been updated since february of this year so the price I calculated in USD undoubtedly may not be a completely accurate reflection of how much it would cost upfront as there are factors like fluctuating economy, currency exchanges, etc. if anyone more versed in that field wants to add on to this, not to mention crown prices may have shifted over time also and may be different currently.

For that amount of cheddar, one could score multiple different games and even more if heavily discounted on platforms like steam, or even help ones own family pay board/bills, etc.

If you buy everything outright then yes it could be expensive if you only have the original base game. However you don't have to buy outright, or complete it all at once. ESO+ will give you access to everything except the latest chapter, so you could pick up a month subscription now and then to complete these zones for substantially less than paying outright

[edited to remove quote]

Blood_again

loveeso wrote: »

Oh, absolutely! Because nothing says ‘Thank you for a decade of loyalty’ like forcing you to buy the latest shiny expansion, Gold Road (to access the zone - West Weald - required to get this new achievement and skin). It’s like throwing a birthday party but charging your friends for cake by the slice. The game’s been out since April 4, 2014, right? So, by my expert calculations, that’s a full decade as of April 2024. Now, I’m no math wizard, but even I know that June (Gold Road) comes after April. So, if this reward is truly for the ‘decade of quests,’ then why does it feel like the real quest is navigating through a maze of paywalls? It’s almost as if someone decided that the best way to honor ten years of questing is to test our ability to quest for more money in our wallets. But hey, what do I know? On the other hand, I’m sure there are many intelligent people here who can see through the ‘generosity’ veil. 😉

Fair point about the Gold Road that is included. It is definitely beyond the 10.

As for pulling money from the most loyal players - always has been. Every DLC, crates, etc are always a hardcore battle for your wallet.
Half of the events push you to buy DLC if you haven't yet. Gear, game systems, and so on are spread out to sell as many DLCs as possible.
It is not just an awesome game but also a money making tool for its creators at the same time. I'm surprised that somebody's surprised.

Dragonnord

Blood_again wrote: »

As for pulling money from the most loyal players - always has been. Every DLC, crates, etc are always a hardcore battle for your wallet.
Half of the events push you to buy DLC if you haven't yet. Gear, game systems, and so on are spread out to sell as many DLCs as possible.
It is not just an awesome game but also a money making tool for its creators at the same time. I'm surprised that somebody's surprised.

Every single thing you mentioned you can get it for free with in game-gold, you know that, right?
 

loveeso

😉

Blood_again

Dragonnord wrote: »

Blood_again wrote: »

As for pulling money from the most loyal players - always has been. Every DLC, crates, etc are always a hardcore battle for your wallet.
Half of the events push you to buy DLC if you haven't yet. Gear, game systems, and so on are spread out to sell as many DLCs as possible.
It is not just an awesome game but also a money making tool for its creators at the same time. I'm surprised that somebody's surprised.

Every single thing you mentioned you can get it for free with in game-gold, you know that, right?
 

If you tried to help me this way, there is no need. Thank you

loveeso

Look, folks, it’s quite straightforward. The game launched on April 4, 2014. Fast forward to April 2024, and we’ve hit the grand milestone of a full decade. Now, if this was genuinely an achievement for a ‘decade of quests,’ then it wouldn’t hinge on getting the latest expansion set for release in June. Logically, any quests from that expansion would fall under the future triumph of ‘two decades of adventure.’ As it stands, it’s not so much an achievement for a decade of quests, but rather just another 'incentive' to entice the eager beavers to pre-purchase or buy at full price, instead of snagging the expansion a few months down the line for less than 20% of its original cost. I’m all for transparency. Marketing gimmicks and fibs? Not so much. This critique comes from someone who’s got more money than sense and has already pre-purchased (for the trial, I don't like the skin), rather than allocating those funds to a worthy charitable cause.

BlueRaven

It’s weird to see so many people who want this skin but seem so far from getting it, while I am on the very verge getting. It, and I would never use the skin.

LanteanPegasus

Skullstachio wrote: »

Because what I see is a skin that is literally locked to newer players behind a very large paywall that is "How Many Chapters? 17." [...]
Proverbially Tallying it up, [...] you as a newer player are looking at upwards of about roughly 519.93+ in USD before counting the upcoming gold road chapter,
For that amount of cheddar, one could score multiple different games and even more if heavily discounted on platforms like steam, or even help ones own family pay board/bills, etc.

Just a hint: Your tallying is a bit skewed.
Assuming that a new player actually wanted to play ESO, and isn't just buying the base game to get this achievement you'll have to take out the cost of the base game. And with it the cost for every older chapter, because those are included in the base game.
After that there are 9 DLCs left. 3 of them (Orsinium, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood) you get in a bundle for 4k crowns. The others are all 2k crowns each. That's 16k crowns.
Now said new player could subscribe to a 6 months ESO+ period for 80$. That gives them 9900 free crowns, and 6 months access to all DLCs. So if they are clever they (after their ESO+ lapsed) buy the 3-in-1 bundle and two other DLCs from that, and use the 6 months to play through the remaining 4 DLCs. (Which is absolutely doable, even if you only play casually.)
Or they outright buy 17k crowns (14k bundle+ 3k bundle) for what is listed for me as about 106.- Euros, so maybe 115 or 120$.

Of course, 80 $ aren't pocket change, either. But you also conveniently forget that for that money you get quite a lot of additional content, not only some achievement. And it's not 519+ $ by any stretch.

And this is operating under the assumption that
- during several months no DLC goes on sale
- the new player absolutely can't wait a few months for a crown sale (last one would've brought the price for 17k down from 106 to 75 Euros, so about 80 $ for this option as well)
- and that the player is so brand new that they weren't around during the last few months, to get Orsinium and Thieves Guild for free.

Elsonso

jaekobcaed wrote: »

Please reconsider these requirements, ZOS. I'd even be okay with it requiring all of the pre-Morrowind story DLCs, since most of us have those, but requiring every zone DLC is just too much.

Nah. No one is locked out of this achievement, and there are multiple ways to accomplish this, paid and free.

Honestly, this is a good questing achievement and should include the base game, Chapters, and zone DLC.

Next year, they should have another "10 year" achievement that covers all base game, Chapter, and DLC group dungeons, trials, and group arenas, at the veteran level, through whatever Chapter follows Gold Road. The "I Beat Finn Across The Decade" achievement.

As for how to complete the content without spending Crowns, buying Chapter packs, or buying ESO Plus, what I suggest is that the main quest for a zone DLC or prior Chapter can be completed in an ESO Plus free trial event. These happen two or three times per year. Yes, this is not going be super quick and will require planning, patience, and probably a couple years to complete.

The other "free" option is using in game gold and gifting to receive the Crown Store DLC package from another player. I find that most DLC zones are not worth owning, in the long term, though. They are more of a convenience than an imperative.

jaekobcaed wrote: »

Fair point about the Gold Road that is included. It is definitely beyond the 10.

The "10 years" covers console launch, too. That was not until June 2015, making an anniversary span of 15 months. That means that the next two Chapters will likely be within that window. Just the messenger.

Danikat

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

jaekobcaed wrote: »

loveeso wrote: »

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

The reward is for questers who have quested a decade of quests.

Oh, absolutely! Because nothing says ‘Thank you for a decade of loyalty’ like forcing you to buy the latest shiny expansion, Gold Road (to access the zone - West Weald - required to get this new achievement and skin). It’s like throwing a birthday party but charging your friends for cake by the slice. The game’s been out since April 4, 2014, right? So, by my expert calculations, that’s a full decade as of April 2024. Now, I’m no math wizard, but even I know that June (Gold Road) comes after April. So, if this reward is truly for the ‘decade of quests,’ then why does it feel like the real quest is navigating through a maze of paywalls? It’s almost as if someone decided that the best way to honor ten years of questing is to test our ability to quest for more money in our wallets. But hey, what do I know? On the other hand, I’m sure there are many intelligent people here who can see through the ‘generosity’ veil. 😉

Glad to see I'm not the only one that feels this way. I'm a fan of ZOS but this really does feel more like a veiled cash grab to me.

I can understand your point.

What I don't quite understand: Each chapter, be it DLC or not, has achievements, titles, even dyes and sometimes even body or face paints available only to those who own the DLC.

What is so different here?

I think it is ok to have ONE achievement, the skin and maybe(!) a title that is for those who bought all the DLCs or are ESO+ members?

That's surprised me as well. ESO has always included achievements that award collectibles, and I think every DLC and chapter has added new ones, but as far as I'm aware no one has complained that those are 'cash grabs' or punishing players who don't buy the DLC or whatever.

I think it's a lot of requirements for one skin, and I can see how it would suck if someone really likes how it looks and is facing a huge amount of time required to get it (especially if they don't normally play PvE), but I'm surprised so many people seem to think collectibles tied to completing DLC is new.

loveeso wrote: »

Look, folks, it’s quite straightforward. The game launched on April 4, 2014. Fast forward to April 2024, and we’ve hit the grand milestone of a full decade. Now, if this was genuinely an achievement for a ‘decade of quests,’ then it wouldn’t hinge on getting the latest expansion set for release in June. Logically, any quests from that expansion would fall under the future triumph of ‘two decades of adventure.’ As it stands, it’s not so much an achievement for a decade of quests, but rather just another 'incentive' to entice the eager beavers to pre-purchase or buy at full price, instead of snagging the expansion a few months down the line for less than 20% of its original cost. I’m all for transparency. Marketing gimmicks and fibs? Not so much. This critique comes from someone who’s got more money than sense and has already pre-purchased (for the trial, I don't like the skin), rather than allocating those funds to a worthy charitable cause.

Here we go again: the new achievement is a permanent addition to the game. You will be able to get it at any time after Gold Road launches. You do not have to pre-order the chapter, or buy it immediately and, like any other achievement, there's certainly no requirement to pay full price for it.

If you want to wait until it's discounted later this year, or bundled with future chapters a year or more down the line you can do that and will then be able to unlock the new skin.