10 year anniversary achievement is too much... ?

Necrotech_Master

virtus753 wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

msgeek wrote: »

DoofusMax wrote: »

OK, I get what you're proposing. The major issue that I'd have with that particular approach is that it requires a player to have alts. Something might not be percolating to the top at the moment, but I think all current achievements can be done by a single character. It might be grindy as all get out to get there, but no alts are required.

Except the reach level 50 on each class achivs...

As I replied to a post above, 100 would also be acceptable if it was 100 unique. My 500 example was just to stop people cheesing an achiv that used to mean something.

I think a lot of people wouldn't complain that. The issue with the true style master counting alts inappropriately was noted in whichever pts led into the account wide achievements in spring 2022 but zos chose to stick with the implementation they had.

Where was it noted that that was not working as intended? I'm not able to find an official comment about that at the moment.

In the description of crafting achievements in the original patch notes for U33, only those achievements granted for rune translation knowledge were meant to be kept character specific:

"Note that, while Achievements may be account-wide, some things that are commonly tracked via Achievements are still tracked on an individual character basis. That includes:
Enchanting Rune knowledge Achievements (and the knowledge of Runes in general)
Motif Crafting knowledge
Lorebooks read, including in Eidetic Memory and Shalidor’s Library
Skyshards obtained by a character
Public Dungeon Group Event achievements
Dragonguard Sanctum daily achievements"

The crafting knowledge for each motif is still character specific, so alts can't craft in a style only one other character knows, but the achievements for knowing a motif were made account wide with U33. The line about rune knowledge specifies that rune achievements are still individual, but the line about motifs only mentions crafting knowledge, not motif achievements, being kept specific to each character.

motif achievements, funny enough, are acct wide

motifs in general are like a weird half state:

• motif crafting knowledge is per character
• motif lore library entries are per character
• motif outfit station knowledge is acct wide
• motif achievements are acct wide

kringled_1

virtus753 wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

msgeek wrote: »

DoofusMax wrote: »

OK, I get what you're proposing. The major issue that I'd have with that particular approach is that it requires a player to have alts. Something might not be percolating to the top at the moment, but I think all current achievements can be done by a single character. It might be grindy as all get out to get there, but no alts are required.

Except the reach level 50 on each class achivs...

As I replied to a post above, 100 would also be acceptable if it was 100 unique. My 500 example was just to stop people cheesing an achiv that used to mean something.

I think a lot of people wouldn't complain that. The issue with the true style master counting alts inappropriately was noted in whichever pts led into the account wide achievements in spring 2022 but zos chose to stick with the implementation they had.

Where was it noted that that was not working as intended? I'm not able to find an official comment about that at the moment.

In the description of crafting achievements in the original patch notes for U33, only those achievements granted for rune translation knowledge were meant to be kept character specific:

"Note that, while Achievements may be account-wide, some things that are commonly tracked via Achievements are still tracked on an individual character basis. That includes:
Enchanting Rune knowledge Achievements (and the knowledge of Runes in general)
Motif Crafting knowledge
Lorebooks read, including in Eidetic Memory and Shalidor’s Library
Skyshards obtained by a character
Public Dungeon Group Event achievements
Dragonguard Sanctum daily achievements"

The crafting knowledge for each motif is still character specific, so alts can't craft in a style only one other character knows, but the achievements for knowing a motif were made account wide with U33. The line about rune knowledge specifies that rune achievements are still individual, but the line about motifs only mentions crafting knowledge, not motif achievements, being kept specific to each character.

Player feedback during the PTS was what I was referring to, not the actual patch notes. I don't think zos has ever commented on the gutting of true style master.

katanagirl1

spartaxoxo wrote: »

It is not too much as it is a permanent addition to the game. Just get the story zone DLC quests done during the free trials if you can't or won't spend money on it. The story quests really couldn't be any easier. Those last a few days and come around multiple times a year. They don't even make small zone DLC anymore, so it's not like it's building up every year.

This is an achievement that is accessible to players of all levels, I think it’s great.

Also, if you are a dedicated quester, you already have all but the West Weald zone quests done already.

SpiritofESO

Theist_VII

I love seeing those posts saying, “complaining about free…”

Imagine completing Planesbreaker/Daedric Bane just to get the title Ash Heap for the trifecta and Ash Mound instead of Daedric Bane.

That’s what this skin is. It’s the penultimate questing reward and it looks like absolute thrown-together garbage you would find below Apex in a crown crate.

spartaxoxo

Telos_Tim wrote: »

I love seeing those posts saying, “complaining about free…”

Imagine completing Planesbreaker/Daedric Bane just to get the title Ash Heap for the trifecta and Ash Mound instead of Daedric Bane.

That’s what this skin is. It’s the penultimate questing reward and it looks like absolute thrown-together garbage you would find below Apex in a crown crate.

I think most of the complaints are from people who don't do all the quests complaining that doing all the quests is needed to get the skin. I haven't seen the skin yet myself but honestly a lot of them aren't my favorite.

ESO_player123

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Telos_Tim wrote: »

I love seeing those posts saying, “complaining about free…”

Imagine completing Planesbreaker/Daedric Bane just to get the title Ash Heap for the trifecta and Ash Mound instead of Daedric Bane.

That’s what this skin is. It’s the penultimate questing reward and it looks like absolute thrown-together garbage you would find below Apex in a crown crate.

I think most of the complaints are from people who don't do all the quests complaining that doing all the quests is needed to get the skin. I haven't seen the skin yet myself but honestly a lot of them aren't my favorite.

You can see the skin in this newspost:
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/66017

Not my cup of tea, but I'm sure there are players that will wear it.
But I agree that nothing about this skin screams 10 years of questing. May be I'm missing a reference to something.

liliub17_ESO

DoofusMax wrote: »

I'm kind of LOL'ing here. There are only 120-odd motifs in the game and only about 300 lorebooks (Shally's Library). At the current rate of expansion, the motif achievement might be achievable in another 20 years.

"As of Firesong and Update 36, there are approximately 7,000(!) lore books in the world of Tamriel (and beyond)" - ESO Developer Deep Dive 11/09/2022

Now? Dunno.

tsaescishoeshiner

Since it's such a big achievement, I wish it was something people could use on any character fittingly, like a title or a mount or a belt style lol. Whereas a skin totally changes your character's like. Whole entire everything.

Arrodisia

Nothing needs to be confirmed. The wording is very clear. It's an achievement. Do the content. Then you get the reward.

I'm not much of a skin fan, because most are unattractive, but it's what was offered. Next time, maybe we could have a choice of what's offered, maybe a vote beforehand.

TaSheen

I don't like skins at all. And I'm totally uninterested in achievements. Yay me....

spartaxoxo

ESO_player123 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Telos_Tim wrote: »

I love seeing those posts saying, “complaining about free…”

Imagine completing Planesbreaker/Daedric Bane just to get the title Ash Heap for the trifecta and Ash Mound instead of Daedric Bane.

That’s what this skin is. It’s the penultimate questing reward and it looks like absolute thrown-together garbage you would find below Apex in a crown crate.

I think most of the complaints are from people who don't do all the quests complaining that doing all the quests is needed to get the skin. I haven't seen the skin yet myself but honestly a lot of them aren't my favorite.

You can see the skin in this newspost:
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/66017

Not my cup of tea, but I'm sure there are players that will wear it.
But I agree that nothing about this skin screams 10 years of questing. May be I'm missing a reference to something.

I might just be on one right now and regret posting this later but your comment sent me down a rabbit hole conspiracy theory about how that skin is perfect for the 10th anniversary actually. And that I think I maybe quite possibly just a little figured out a source of artistic inspiration.

You said "Not my cup of tea."

Well Japan has this art of repairing broken things like tea cups or pottery using gold called Kintsugi.



The idea is that the broken item can be made even more beautiful than it was before.



"10 years unbroken" is how it's captioned.

When you think about it, this ties in nicely to how these 10 years have felt for both the playerbase and the devs. This game almost failed right at launch. It's been through a global pandemic, performance issues, awesome chapters, and all kinds of ups and downs. But somehow, it's still here. And a better game than it was at launch when it was all shiny and new.

In addition, there's the more literal interpretation of how those little lines look a bit like little gold roads. And there is a glass theme for the upcoming chapter. While it's traditionally for ceramics, Kintsugi can be done on some glassware.

So, if my interpretation of this art isn't totally off-base, then it makes sense both as a symbol for the player journey until now and as symbol for the upcoming chapter.

Edit: Actually I like this theory enough I think I'll make it own post to not derail this thread lol.

LunaFlora

spartaxoxo wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Telos_Tim wrote: »

I love seeing those posts saying, “complaining about free…”

Imagine completing Planesbreaker/Daedric Bane just to get the title Ash Heap for the trifecta and Ash Mound instead of Daedric Bane.

That’s what this skin is. It’s the penultimate questing reward and it looks like absolute thrown-together garbage you would find below Apex in a crown crate.

I think most of the complaints are from people who don't do all the quests complaining that doing all the quests is needed to get the skin. I haven't seen the skin yet myself but honestly a lot of them aren't my favorite.

You can see the skin in this newspost:
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/66017

Not my cup of tea, but I'm sure there are players that will wear it.
But I agree that nothing about this skin screams 10 years of questing. May be I'm missing a reference to something.

I might just be on one right now and regret posting this later but your comment sent me down a rabbit hole conspiracy theory about how that skin is perfect for the 10th anniversary actually. And that I think I maybe quite possibly just a little figured out a source of artistic inspiration.

You said "Not my cup of tea."

Well Japan has this art of repairing broken things like tea cups or pottery using gold called Kintsugi.



The idea is that the broken item can be made even more beautiful than it was before.



"10 years unbroken" is how it's captioned.

When you think about it, this ties in nicely to how these 10 years have felt for both the playerbase and the devs. This game almost failed right at launch. It's been through a global pandemic, performance issues, awesome chapters, and all kinds of ups and downs. But somehow, it's still here. And a better game than it was at launch when it was all shiny and new.

In addition, there's the more literal interpretation of how those little lines look a bit like little gold roads. And there is a glass theme for the upcoming chapter. While it's traditionally for ceramics, Kintsugi can be done on some glassware.

So, if my interpretation of this art isn't totally off-base, then it makes sense both as a symbol for the player journey until now and as symbol for the upcoming chapter.

Edit: Actually I like this theory enough I think I'll make it own post to not derail this thread lol.

i also thought about that when i saw "unbroken" in the post though i think it might be more fitting for the Vestige than the game itself.
it is nice regardless of the reason behind it

SilverBride

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Well Japan has this art of repairing broken things like tea cups or pottery using gold called Kintsugi.

The idea is that the broken item can be made even more beautiful than it was before.

"10 years unbroken" is how it's captioned.

I just learned of this art form a couple of days ago. This is exactly what this skin looks like and the caption makes sense.

That is so awesome that you made the connection!

BretonMage

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Well Japan has this art of repairing broken things like tea cups or pottery using gold called Kintsugi.

Oh, interesting. Kintsugi seems to be trending in popular media recently, I wonder why. (Or I may have missed something obvious, which would not surprise me). While I like the concept of it, I think in the ESO context, the opaque pottery finish could have been done as a more translucent porcelain finish. That would look a little more magical.

Still, I'm with those who dislike skins, so I guess I'm not the target audience. I do wish there was another reward for the achievement.

ESO_player123

spartaxoxo wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Telos_Tim wrote: »

I love seeing those posts saying, “complaining about free…”

Imagine completing Planesbreaker/Daedric Bane just to get the title Ash Heap for the trifecta and Ash Mound instead of Daedric Bane.

That’s what this skin is. It’s the penultimate questing reward and it looks like absolute thrown-together garbage you would find below Apex in a crown crate.

I think most of the complaints are from people who don't do all the quests complaining that doing all the quests is needed to get the skin. I haven't seen the skin yet myself but honestly a lot of them aren't my favorite.

You can see the skin in this newspost:
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/66017

Not my cup of tea, but I'm sure there are players that will wear it.
But I agree that nothing about this skin screams 10 years of questing. May be I'm missing a reference to something.

I might just be on one right now and regret posting this later but your comment sent me down a rabbit hole conspiracy theory about how that skin is perfect for the 10th anniversary actually. And that I think I maybe quite possibly just a little figured out a source of artistic inspiration.

You said "Not my cup of tea."

Well Japan has this art of repairing broken things like tea cups or pottery using gold called Kintsugi.



The idea is that the broken item can be made even more beautiful than it was before.



"10 years unbroken" is how it's captioned.

When you think about it, this ties in nicely to how these 10 years have felt for both the playerbase and the devs. This game almost failed right at launch. It's been through a global pandemic, performance issues, awesome chapters, and all kinds of ups and downs. But somehow, it's still here. And a better game than it was at launch when it was all shiny and new.

In addition, there's the more literal interpretation of how those little lines look a bit like little gold roads. And there is a glass theme for the upcoming chapter. While it's traditionally for ceramics, Kintsugi can be done on some glassware.

So, if my interpretation of this art isn't totally off-base, then it makes sense both as a symbol for the player journey until now and as symbol for the upcoming chapter.

Edit: Actually I like this theory enough I think I'll make it own post to not derail this thread lol.

I never heard about this form of art until now. This connection seems plausible, and I can now see how all of this can fit together.
Still, only one of my characters uses a skin (maormer fish). I do not see myself using the new skin, but glad that people are excited about it.

Elsonso

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SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Well Japan has this art of repairing broken things like tea cups or pottery using gold called Kintsugi.

The idea is that the broken item can be made even more beautiful than it was before.

"10 years unbroken" is how it's captioned.

I just learned of this art form a couple of days ago. This is exactly what this skin looks like and the caption makes sense.

That is so awesome that you made the connection!

I am wondering if ZOS was wondering how long it would take the players to make the connection.

TDVM

It's simple, if you want it, you fulfill the conditions to get it. You're not saying that triple achievement is too much to get a trials mount.

Or for example those who only deal with history don't say that the achievement "emperor" or a "5-star" rank requires too much requires that to get it and so what its unfair to who play in history and don't do pvp.

Nothing prevents you from completing these speedrun quests by skipping dialogs.

But the appearance of the shell is questionable, but that's another topic

bobdrad

I don't understand an argument that they shouldn't add an achievement because it's hard to get. Give me a break. Once you have all the other achievements and still can't get that one, come back and tell us about it.

Personally, I'd like to see a harder achievement. I have Hero/Savior/Bane for all those released zones (which includes a lot more than just the story lines). There should be some achievement for that. But I guess that would cause even more complaints, so we can't have it. And I don't even quest that much these days - I focus on trial deep endgame content because that's the most fun for me.

I'll probably never wear that skin - it doesn't look that great to me, and I prefer skins that require skill to earn, rather than just time and grinding, or money. I'd prefer a title. A mount or pet would be nice 😁.

Can we stop complaining about achievements that are hard to get? That's kind of the point. There are plenty of achievements I suspect I will never be able to get, but I don't complain when someone else does. That's pointless.

WolfStar07

I didn't expect to get any 10 year achievement, so it's nice to see some reward for my dedication (which I'll be delayed in getting as I wait for the chapter to go on sale in the fall). That said, the skin is... eh. It's lackluster, and that's even before taking into account I don't care for most skins. I'm more likely to show off an achievement furnishing, title, mount, or pet (like the beta monkey), than this skin. The reward doesn't really feel equal to the work required to unlock it.

And what's with the OP claiming the game is "really 3 years old"? What the heck? How are you justifying that to yourself?

RicAlmighty

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Well Japan has this art of repairing broken things like tea cups or pottery using gold called Kintsugi.

This is a great observation. It's also a superb Lana Del Ray song!

Wildberryjack

Maybe add a mount with the same effect. And a costume. And a furnishing. Just a skin is a bit lacking tbh for such an achievement. Also please remove Craglorn from the requirements.

shallot

I like that the reward is from a permanent meta achievement that incentivizes following along through the game's story and drawing people to all zones in the game helping make older zones seem not as empty. This should have been how those iconic cosmetic weapons and helm from the anniversary event were distributed, and I would welcome more meta achievements with a cosmetic reward of a key item from a chapter's questline.

fizzylu

@shallot
I agree fully. The game needs more achievements with rewards like this. It honestly baffles me how many achievements have no rewards, not even something as simple as a title.

Lady_Titania

This achievement is actually very rewarding for those who have completed all quest in every zone. New players might be overwhelmed, but this is a 10 year anniversary achievement, its not meant for new players, its meant for the long term players that have been here and have supported the game throughout these 10 years. New players will of course be able to get the achievement down the line, they just need to put the hours in like the long term players have.

I personally use skins rarely, but I do have a love for collecting collectable items. Hopefully, there is a 10 year anniversary mount in store for us. I would LOVE a mount with wings, it doesn't have to fly, but a glide when we jump would be amazing!

Araneae6537

Wildberryjack wrote: »

Maybe add a mount with the same effect. And a costume. And a furnishing. Just a skin is a bit lacking tbh for such an achievement. Also please remove Craglorn from the requirements.

Furnishings would be lovely!

No reason to remove Craglorn that I can see — the areas for the main story quest are all solo and not “group” and I think everything was nerfed a lot besides (and/or power creep).

Theist_VII

For anyone claiming that a skin is an adequate reward for an achievement like this… here is a skin that can be acquired in 30 minutes.



Here is another one.



Here’s a skin you can just go buy the writs for from a guild trader.



But yeah sure, hundreds to thousands of hours for a skin. 👍

Elsonso

Telos_Tim wrote: »

For anyone claiming that a skin is an adequate reward for an achievement like this… here is a skin that can be acquired in 30 minutes.

...

But yeah sure, hundreds to thousands of hours for a skin. 👍

As I see it, the reward is the achievement. The skin goes in the bag to keep all my other unused skins company.

TDVM

I guess not. You could make the original shell with visual effects and give a nice and cool arms pack and/or assistant NPC "adventurer" like a merchant/banker or others. If it's just one shell it's not worth it to go through all the quests, there are plenty of such unnecessary shells in the game.

Telos_Tim wrote: »

For anyone claiming that a skin is an adequate reward for an achievement like this… here is a skin that can be acquired in 30 minutes.



Here is another one.



Here’s a skin you can just go buy the writs for from a guild trader.



But yeah sure, hundreds to thousands of hours for a skin. 👍

The topic of conversation in this post is not the skin, but the way to get it and the corresponding achievement. There is already a post discussing this skin on the forum

CameraBeardThePirate

Telos_Tim wrote: »

For anyone claiming that a skin is an adequate reward for an achievement like this… here is a skin that can be acquired in 30 minutes.



Here is another one.



Here’s a skin you can just go buy the writs for from a guild trader.



But yeah sure, hundreds to thousands of hours for a skin. 👍

The logic here is wild...

By that same logic, why bother going for the Godslayer title when you can get the Recruit title in 10 minutes?

Just because they're the same type of thing doesn't mean they hold the same weight.

The new skin will be super rare, because not many people are going to put in the time to get it. That's literally the entire point of it.