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NB is useless again

Prionyx
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So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?
  • notReclaimer
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    Yeah nb is really struggling in pvp right now, buff nb nerf necro.
  • reazea
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    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

  • Prionyx
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    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?
  • necro_the_crafter
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    Prionyx wrote: »
    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?

    If NB is so bad just switch to necro then, most useful group class ever made I guess
  • Prionyx
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    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Just to compare, warden has the best burst heal and burst damage skill in the game, is generally best solo PvP class, best group DD class and is needed in PvE as a healer
  • Prionyx
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    Prionyx wrote: »
    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?

    If NB is so bad just switch to necro then, most useful group class ever made I guess

    Necro is needed both in PvE and PvP groups while in next patch NB will not be(Necro still will be)
    Edited by Prionyx on April 29, 2024 11:13AM
  • reazea
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    Prionyx wrote: »
    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?

    NB is super OP right now. That's why there are so many running around, both in groups and solo. Nerfing the strongest outstanding class is what is supposed to happen during balancing updates. And as I pointed out in my earlier post, RoA and other free pull sets shouldn't exist in the first place. They're just poor, unfair design.

    Even after the update NB will still be far stronger than Necro's and Templars.



    Edited by reazea on April 30, 2024 3:52PM
  • Prionyx
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    reazea wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?

    NB is super OP right now. That's why there are so many running around, both in groups and solo. Nerfing the strongest outstanding class is what is supposed to happen during balancing updates. And as I pointed out in my earlier post, RoA and other free pull sets shouldn't exist in the first place. They're just [snip], unfair design.

    Even after the update NB will still be far stronger than Necro's and Templars.

    Tell me in what way class that is almost not needed in PvE and is only needed in PvP because of rushing agony is op. "There are so many running around"??? bro open up logs and check recent trials, you will not even be able to find NB DD in here(while you will find hundreds of templars and necros) and as mentioned before NB is only needed in PvP because of a set that is getting gutted in next update. NB being decent in solo PvP doesn't make up for it. NB isn't even as close as good as warden is for it to make up for it in any way

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    Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 29, 2024 5:37PM
  • Prionyx
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    reazea wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?

    NB is super OP right now. That's why there are so many running around, both in groups and solo. Nerfing the strongest outstanding class is what is supposed to happen during balancing updates. And as I pointed out in my earlier post, RoA and other free pull sets shouldn't exist in the first place. They're just [snip], unfair design.

    Even after the update NB will still be far stronger than Necro's and Templars.

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    Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 29, 2024 5:37PM
  • Auldwulfe
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    reazea wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?

    NB is super OP right now. That's why there are so many running around, both in groups and solo. Nerfing the strongest outstanding class is what is supposed to happen during balancing updates. And as I pointed out in my earlier post, RoA and other free pull sets shouldn't exist in the first place. They're just [snip], unfair design.

    Even after the update NB will still be far stronger than Necro's and Templars.

    This is the problem... yeah, NB is strong in PVP .... sucks in PVE, but that is a different issue.... but, we shouldn't nerf it... we should bring up the other classes .... everyone is constantly screaming "Nerf... Nerf... Nerf!!" -- if we follow that line, every class will end up with 10 health, all attacks doing one damage, and all heals doing 4... and it will be "pillow fighting, online".....

    Balance is needed, but we need to stop always balancing downwards, and maybe look at some other things.

    Auldwulfe

    [edited to remove quote]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 29, 2024 5:38PM
  • TX12001rwb17_ESO
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    You act like everyone even uses the fear effect, guess what they don't and rushing agony looks meh, it's no Pillar of Nirn.
  • Treeshka
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    We still have unique ultimate generation. For now at least.
  • necro_the_crafter
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    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?

    If NB is so bad just switch to necro then, most useful group class ever made I guess

    Necro is needed both in PvE and PvP groups while in next patch NB will not be(Necro still will be)

    why exactly necros needed? what is there in the game that every other class cant do better than necromancer?
  • Prionyx
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    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?

    If NB is so bad just switch to necro then, most useful group class ever made I guess

    Necro is needed both in PvE and PvP groups while in next patch NB will not be(Necro still will be)

    why exactly necros needed? what is there in the game that every other class cant do better than necromancer?

    Perfect EC uptime and best source of major vulnerability
  • HuanShai
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    Nerf the class more, it is extremely strong in pvp. the character's healing and his entire set makes him have a lot of damage and set tank at the same time
  • MrCray78
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    stop nerfing classes to reduce power differences. Give power to those who are at ground level like the Nightblade with damage increases, unique buffs and above all very interesting and complementary class sets.
    PC EU PvE CP1800+(Play from Beta 12/02/2014) : @MrCray78
    Already finished all content in Infinite Archive 🥲
  • necro_the_crafter
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    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?

    If NB is so bad just switch to necro then, most useful group class ever made I guess

    Necro is needed both in PvE and PvP groups while in next patch NB will not be(Necro still will be)

    why exactly necros needed? what is there in the game that every other class cant do better than necromancer?

    Perfect EC uptime and best source of major vulnerability

    EC necro is gone next patch, and colossus that is bad dd ult because it does little damage or a bad support ult that has 0 utility outside of major vuln that easy to keep with two Item sets... buff nb to the point when class identity would be a single buff and 1(out of six quadrillion item sets) item set
  • tonyblack
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    > NB is useless
    > literally just one of the very niche buffs become slightly more common and one niche pvp set nerfed
    From title I thought every class get invisibility through scrying (which would be great) and then this…
    The most absurd they nerfed my build post I ever saw.
  • Prionyx
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    HuanShai wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »


    You act like everyone even uses the fear effect, guess what they don't and rushing agony looks meh, it's no Pillar of Nirn.

    [snip]

    [snip]

    In what world does he live if he compares set that was a complete gamechanger to outdated PvE set that meant nothing to the game

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    Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 29, 2024 5:25PM
  • Prionyx
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    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?

    If NB is so bad just switch to necro then, most useful group class ever made I guess

    Necro is needed both in PvE and PvP groups while in next patch NB will not be(Necro still will be)

    why exactly necros needed? what is there in the game that every other class cant do better than necromancer?

    Perfect EC uptime and best source of major vulnerability

    EC necro is gone next patch, and colossus that is bad dd ult because it does little damage or a bad support ult that has 0 utility outside of major vuln that easy to keep with two Item sets... buff nb to the point when class identity would be a single buff and 1(out of six quadrillion item sets) item set

    Good luck uptiming vulnerablity with TT and AD in AoE fights lol. And how is it EC necro gone. You don't know what you are talking about
  • Prionyx
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    tonyblack wrote: »
    > NB is useless
    > literally just one of the very niche buffs become slightly more common and one niche pvp set nerfed
    From title I thought every class get invisibility through scrying (which would be great) and then this…
    The most absurd they nerfed my build post I ever saw.

    If you think that major cowardice and rushing agony are niche and them being taken away from NB means nothing then your game knowledge is very low, if you think that other classes getting invisibility would hurt NB more then it's even lower
    Edited by Prionyx on April 29, 2024 2:25PM
  • CameraBeardThePirate
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    No one else going to comment on the very wrong notion that Rush will be a "dead set"? Because it won't be. It's getting nerfed, but they're only making it avoidable like DC is - DC still sees plenty of use, and Rush will still be much better than DC by the sheer fact that it still won't apply CC immunity.
  • necro_the_crafter
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    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?

    If NB is so bad just switch to necro then, most useful group class ever made I guess

    Necro is needed both in PvE and PvP groups while in next patch NB will not be(Necro still will be)

    why exactly necros needed? what is there in the game that every other class cant do better than necromancer?

    Perfect EC uptime and best source of major vulnerability

    EC necro is gone next patch, and colossus that is bad dd ult because it does little damage or a bad support ult that has 0 utility outside of major vuln that easy to keep with two Item sets... buff nb to the point when class identity would be a single buff and 1(out of six quadrillion item sets) item set

    Good luck uptiming vulnerablity with TT and AD in AoE fights lol. And how is it EC necro gone. You don't know what you are talking about

    evryone could run ec efficiently next patch so so called good class becomes less good and i wonder why, maybe because its a bad class carried by exactly one item set? and you didnt say how necro is better at pvp then nightblade
  • Prionyx
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    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?

    If NB is so bad just switch to necro then, most useful group class ever made I guess

    Necro is needed both in PvE and PvP groups while in next patch NB will not be(Necro still will be)

    why exactly necros needed? what is there in the game that every other class cant do better than necromancer?

    Perfect EC uptime and best source of major vulnerability

    EC necro is gone next patch, and colossus that is bad dd ult because it does little damage or a bad support ult that has 0 utility outside of major vuln that easy to keep with two Item sets... buff nb to the point when class identity would be a single buff and 1(out of six quadrillion item sets) item set

    Good luck uptiming vulnerablity with TT and AD in AoE fights lol. And how is it EC necro gone. You don't know what you are talking about

    evryone could run ec efficiently next patch so so called good class becomes less good and i wonder why, maybe because its a bad class carried by exactly one item set? and you didnt say how necro is better at pvp then nightblade

    No they won't, uptiming EC with single target direct skills isn't effective and is damage loss, besides you still need necro anyway. Necro is better in PvP because it has good damage synergy and must have ulti, NB will not have anything as close as good in next patch
  • Prionyx
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    No one else going to comment on the very wrong notion that Rush will be a "dead set"? Because it won't be. It's getting nerfed, but they're only making it avoidable like DC is - DC still sees plenty of use, and Rush will still be much better than DC by the sheer fact that it still won't apply CC immunity.

    It will only be fine against weak players with slow reaction
  • necro_the_crafter
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    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    Prionyx wrote: »
    reazea wrote: »
    Except NB remains one of if not the strongest classes in PvP, with the most diverse toolkit to work with and the strongest burst heal and strongest burst damage in the game, and cloak too.

    Free pull sets like RoA should have never existed in the first place. Free pull sets are bad game design. Anything that moves another players position on the map should require a skill slot and cost resources.
    Prionyx wrote: »
    So in this update you are taking away 2 only things that made NB at least somewhat useful. Rushing agony is now a dead set so you don't really need NB in groups anymore and on top of that with the new scribing mechanic everyone will be able to apply Major Cowardice debuff, making PvE NB healers completely useless and hammering the last nail into the NB's PvP group puller build coffin(it is the only possible build that is good for NB in group pvp) . Mind giving something in return..?

    Have any of your red my post at all? With new update NB will be COMPLETELY useless both in group PvE and group PvP(which are 2 most important aspects of the game), there is no class that is in a similar state and you think that NB being decent in solo PvP makes up for it?

    If NB is so bad just switch to necro then, most useful group class ever made I guess

    Necro is needed both in PvE and PvP groups while in next patch NB will not be(Necro still will be)

    why exactly necros needed? what is there in the game that every other class cant do better than necromancer?

    Perfect EC uptime and best source of major vulnerability

    EC necro is gone next patch, and colossus that is bad dd ult because it does little damage or a bad support ult that has 0 utility outside of major vuln that easy to keep with two Item sets... buff nb to the point when class identity would be a single buff and 1(out of six quadrillion item sets) item set

    Good luck uptiming vulnerablity with TT and AD in AoE fights lol. And how is it EC necro gone. You don't know what you are talking about

    evryone could run ec efficiently next patch so so called good class becomes less good and i wonder why, maybe because its a bad class carried by exactly one item set? and you didnt say how necro is better at pvp then nightblade

    No they won't, uptiming EC with single target direct skills isn't effective and is damage loss, besides you still need necro anyway. Necro is better in PvP because it has good damage synergy and must have ulti, NB will not have anything as close as good in next patch

    class is good because uptime on exactly one item set? and better then nb? ok got you
    Edited by necro_the_crafter on April 29, 2024 2:43PM
  • necro_the_crafter
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    Prionyx wrote: »
    No one else going to comment on the very wrong notion that Rush will be a "dead set"? Because it won't be. It's getting nerfed, but they're only making it avoidable like DC is - DC still sees plenty of use, and Rush will still be much better than DC by the sheer fact that it still won't apply CC immunity.

    It will only be fine against weak players with slow reaction

    I guess zos should rework assasins will, making you shot yourself to do 15% more dot damage and make every third swallow soul cast deal damage in the aoe while under effect?
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    Boys, boys. You're both equally useless. Can I suggest a dragon knight or arcanist?
  • Sockermannen
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    I don’t see how major cowardice becoming more available will completely kill of NBs for PvE…. usually when they are brought it’s for their ability to generate ulti which synergise really well with ulti sets like PP or MA. The major cowardice was just a boon on the side of all that and was never really the defining feature of NB healer builds.

    Also, it’s not like they are taking it away, but giving other classes the ability to run the buff which could free up barspace on NBs while still letting them do the thing they are really good at: generating ulti.
    Edited by Sockermannen on April 29, 2024 3:13PM
  • reazea
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    Prionyx wrote: »
    HuanShai wrote: »
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    You act like everyone even uses the fear effect, guess what they don't and rushing agony looks meh, it's no Pillar of Nirn.

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    In what world does he live if he compares set that was a complete gamechanger to outdated PvE set that meant nothing to the game

    You admit that RoA set is/was a "complete game changer", but don't understand the reasoning behind why it's getting a nerf?

    NB is S-tier in PvP now, and it will still be top tier at least, and probably still S-tier even after the new updates. Between cloak and the most complete tool kit available to any class, burst heals and burst damage in the same single skill, ya, NB is gonna be just fine after the changes next update. Maybe take a look at some of the other builds and how the top tier NB mains use their builds to dominate in PvP.

    [edited to remove quote]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 29, 2024 5:25PM
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