Spellcrafting - This skill will only be used to troll and harass players

Wolfshade

12 meter knockback is huge and awesome!

Maybe reduce it to the usual 8 meter distance. 28 meters range are pretty long, too.

alternatelder

Why did they remove the other knockbacks we had in the past, and then introduce something like this? If we're going to keep it this way, let us have our bow, and staff knock backs as well.
Tbh, this looks like it'd be fun to use.

Necrotech_Master

Jsmalls wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

The skill has a giant AOE indicator that appears well before it lands. Just block it.

I'll test if it's blockable but since it's an AoE it may not be.

Also the indicator only appears when the ability is in transit (like half a second). Not much time to properly react.

CC is always blockable unless it specifies cannot be blocked

thats how the pull with dark convergence works, its an aoe but the pull can be blocked

edit: i think you were thinking of "dodged" not "blocked", you can definitely block the dmg from the aoes too

propertyOfUndefined

I honestly don't see anything wrong with the KB.

Jsmalls

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

The skill has a giant AOE indicator that appears well before it lands. Just block it.

I'll test if it's blockable but since it's an AoE it may not be.

Also the indicator only appears when the ability is in transit (like half a second). Not much time to properly react.

CC is always blockable unless it specifies cannot be blocked

thats how the pull with dark convergence works, its an aoe but the pull can be blocked

edit: i think you were thinking of "dodged" not "blocked", you can definitely block the dmg from the aoes too

They're are several AoEs that give unblockable stuns. But yeah you're right they usually state that. Still worth the test.

Still stand by it isn't "Well before it lands". At least not from what I was told. Need to experience it from a victim side.

Synapsis123

propertyOfUndefined wrote: »

I honestly don't see anything wrong with the KB.

The person floating through the air for 2 seconds before even starting to fall doesn't ring any bells for you?

Galeriano2

IviRo wrote: »

Synapsis123 wrote: »

You need to remove the knockback option off this skill otherwise you will have to deal with a ton of harassment and trolling.

https://youtu.be/dIHpoiXkQRk

That's awesome, now you can trash Ballgroups.

ZoS pls, don't remove!

History have shown that any time ZoS released something that were supposed to "trash ballgroups" it ended up being abused the most by ball grops themselves.

Savos_Saren

I'm 99% sure that all ranged knock-back abilities (Flame Clench, Aurora Javelin, Magnum Shot) have been shortened to less than 22 meters so that they don't benefit from Cyrodiil's "Reach" passive.

Most likely we'll see a stipulation on these weapons that won't allow them a 28meter range in Cyrodiil.

Otherwise- it would be cool to give Clench, Javelin, and Magnum Shot back their 28meter reach!

robpr

Galeriano2 wrote: »

History have shown that any time ZoS released something that were supposed to "trash ballgroups" it ended up being abused the most by ball grops themselves.

In this case I hardly see many situations to be abused by ballgroups. Ballgroups like people being relatively stacked so most of synergy bombs, negates and ult dumps will affect as much people as possible. This skill potentially yeet people out of most high damage aoes like destros, banners, plaguebreaks, novas, northernstorms etc.
Only places ballgroups will use it will be battles for structures, bridges or to disable sieges.

Bashev

robpr wrote: »

Galeriano2 wrote: »

History have shown that any time ZoS released something that were supposed to "trash ballgroups" it ended up being abused the most by ball grops themselves.

In this case I hardly see many situations to be abused by ballgroups. Ballgroups like people being relatively stacked so most of synergy bombs, negates and ult dumps will affect as much people as possible. This skill potentially yeet people out of most high damage aoes like destros, banners, plaguebreaks, novas, northernstorms etc.
Only places ballgroups will use it will be battles for structures, bridges or to disable sieges.

They will just use the skill without knockback. Just for a massive big aoe burst

Tommy_The_Gun

IviRo wrote: »

Synapsis123 wrote: »

You need to remove the knockback option off this skill otherwise you will have to deal with a ton of harassment and trolling.

https://youtu.be/dIHpoiXkQRk

That's awesome, now you can trash Ballgroups.

ZoS pls, don't remove!

That depends if it bypasses CC immunity skills/pots etc. I just fear that Ball Groups will adapt by using potion cool down glyphs + Essence of Immovability to minimize the effect, but I have to admit - it won't minimize this CC by 100%.

I wish there was some effect so it would only work against grouped players. For as long as ZOS wont do any "target-nerf" that would only affect PvP group environment, I can not see "Ball Group problem" being resolved and the story will keep repeating itself every patch. Besides, there are also some crazy combos FOR ball groups (like yet another OP group healing).

While it may be useful to troll Ball Groups, I think OP is right and it will be used most often by trolls to knock people down & not vs ball groups. Allesia bridge, keep walls or Respawn Points in IC are gonna become basically "death zones".

As mush as I would like to be able to do "anything" vs a ball group, I just don't think it is healthy for the game. It is too big of a trade-off.

My take on spellcrafting in general is that is should be disabled in PvP or maybe at least some effect should be disabled via Battle Spirit.

Soraka

Well this is gonna be entertaining

James-Wayne

I want to see Zerg explode off the keep walls... please do not change ZOS, this is going to be amazing!

Mayrael

Bashev wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

Galeriano2 wrote: »

History have shown that any time ZoS released something that were supposed to "trash ballgroups" it ended up being abused the most by ball grops themselves.

In this case I hardly see many situations to be abused by ballgroups. Ballgroups like people being relatively stacked so most of synergy bombs, negates and ult dumps will affect as much people as possible. This skill potentially yeet people out of most high damage aoes like destros, banners, plaguebreaks, novas, northernstorms etc.
Only places ballgroups will use it will be battles for structures, bridges or to disable sieges.

They will just use the skill without knockback. Just for a massive big aoe burst

So removing knockback from this skill is unjustified because knockback itself is a hindrance for ball groups both when they are on recieving end and when they use it themselves.

Lets keep it and see how it plays.

Savos_Saren

Mayrael wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

Galeriano2 wrote: »

History have shown that any time ZoS released something that were supposed to "trash ballgroups" it ended up being abused the most by ball grops themselves.

In this case I hardly see many situations to be abused by ballgroups. Ballgroups like people being relatively stacked so most of synergy bombs, negates and ult dumps will affect as much people as possible. This skill potentially yeet people out of most high damage aoes like destros, banners, plaguebreaks, novas, northernstorms etc.
Only places ballgroups will use it will be battles for structures, bridges or to disable sieges.

They will just use the skill without knockback. Just for a massive big aoe burst

So removing knockback from this skill is unjustified because knockback itself is a hindrance for ball groups both when they are on recieving end and when they use it themselves.

Lets keep it and see how it plays.

The ball groups are going to use this skill to knock people off seige.

Galeriano2

robpr wrote: »

Galeriano2 wrote: »

History have shown that any time ZoS released something that were supposed to "trash ballgroups" it ended up being abused the most by ball grops themselves.

In this case I hardly see many situations to be abused by ballgroups. Ballgroups like people being relatively stacked so most of synergy bombs, negates and ult dumps will affect as much people as possible. This skill potentially yeet people out of most high damage aoes like destros, banners, plaguebreaks, novas, northernstorms etc.
Only places ballgroups will use it will be battles for structures, bridges or to disable sieges.

There is plenty situation where some people in group having that AoE knockback will be an asset. Throwing people off the walls and bridges and screwing their LoS on its own are worth having it in a group. Just imagine a siege where 3+ people cast that ability covering large part of the wall with it and lots of enemy players caught in that AoE will be thrown down. That is a massive adventage during sieges. 12 meters knockback on 28 meters range, 10 meters radius ability is just too easy to abuse.

Mayrael

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

Galeriano2 wrote: »

History have shown that any time ZoS released something that were supposed to "trash ballgroups" it ended up being abused the most by ball grops themselves.

In this case I hardly see many situations to be abused by ballgroups. Ballgroups like people being relatively stacked so most of synergy bombs, negates and ult dumps will affect as much people as possible. This skill potentially yeet people out of most high damage aoes like destros, banners, plaguebreaks, novas, northernstorms etc.
Only places ballgroups will use it will be battles for structures, bridges or to disable sieges.

They will just use the skill without knockback. Just for a massive big aoe burst

So removing knockback from this skill is unjustified because knockback itself is a hindrance for ball groups both when they are on recieving end and when they use it themselves.

Lets keep it and see how it plays.

The ball groups are going to use this skill to knock people off seige.

Maybe, most of the sieges is used from further than the skill range and out of LoS, but I can see what youre saying. There are applications for such skill in group play ofc, but there is way more vs group. Many skills and sets require players to be in certain range from caster/wearer to work, this skill can disrupt the flow of BG. Will it? Hard to say, but I think it's worth to give it a try.

One thing though is working against PUGs and solos vs ballgroups - stuck in combat.

Once we contact with BG for the first time we can't switch our setups to anti-BG easily while BG have premade setup which doesn't need any changes.

LordeGian

Many people find this skill enjoyable, don't forget that others will also use it against you

SaffronCitrusflower

The entire scribing system will create a significant imbalance between players who do and don't buy the new chapter. Which, in my view, is the definition of pay to win. ZOS is moving more and more toward a pay to win business model that they've historically said they would not engage in.

BetweenMidgets

Synapsis123 wrote: »

The person floating through the air for 2 seconds before even starting to fall doesn't ring any bells for you?

Absolutely this.

I will never understand ZoS' love for skills that reposition your character or where you lose control of your character (and often for longer than the stated duration)

You can really tell that no one there plays PVP.

There are already so many desync issues that already plague PVP.

Savos_Saren

Mayrael wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

Galeriano2 wrote: »

History have shown that any time ZoS released something that were supposed to "trash ballgroups" it ended up being abused the most by ball grops themselves.

In this case I hardly see many situations to be abused by ballgroups. Ballgroups like people being relatively stacked so most of synergy bombs, negates and ult dumps will affect as much people as possible. This skill potentially yeet people out of most high damage aoes like destros, banners, plaguebreaks, novas, northernstorms etc.
Only places ballgroups will use it will be battles for structures, bridges or to disable sieges.

They will just use the skill without knockback. Just for a massive big aoe burst

So removing knockback from this skill is unjustified because knockback itself is a hindrance for ball groups both when they are on recieving end and when they use it themselves.

Lets keep it and see how it plays.

The ball groups are going to use this skill to knock people off seige.

Maybe, most of the sieges is used from further than the skill range and out of LoS, but I can see what youre saying. There are applications for such skill in group play ofc, but there is way more vs group. Many skills and sets require players to be in certain range from caster/wearer to work, this skill can disrupt the flow of BG. Will it? Hard to say, but I think it's worth to give it a try.

One thing though is working against PUGs and solos vs ballgroups - stuck in combat.

Once we contact with BG for the first time we can't switch our setups to anti-BG easily while BG have premade setup which doesn't need any changes.

Remember- this ability has a 28 meter range- so it will benefit from Assault's "Reach" passive. So, it will actually get maximum range. If you watch the video- you'll see that you can target corners of walls/floors... so you can knock people off ledges.

I honestly didn't mind that some single-target abilities knock people off 8 meters off ledges (Javelin, old school flame clench, etc) since it caused players to be mindful of positioning. But a large AOE knockback that sends you flying 12 meters... that's a little much.

OtarTheMad

Oh please don’t change that. I’d love to fling that on a group doing laps around the walls like they are doing Nascar and watch them fly off.

Durham

That will throw a whole group off a Bridge lol

OtarTheMad

Durham wrote: »

That will throw a whole group off a Bridge lol

Oh the fun that will be had at Alessia bridge now! LoL.

wolfie1.0.

i dont see a problem with this.... yet

MISTFORMBZZZ

robpr wrote: »

Galeriano2 wrote: »

History have shown that any time ZoS released something that were supposed to "trash ballgroups" it ended up being abused the most by ball grops themselves.

In this case I hardly see many situations to be abused by ballgroups. Ballgroups like people being relatively stacked so most of synergy bombs, negates and ult dumps will affect as much people as possible. This skill potentially yeet people out of most high damage aoes like destros, banners, plaguebreaks, novas, northernstorms etc.
Only places ballgroups will use it will be battles for structures, bridges or to disable sieges.

oh i know for a fact there are plans to run like pot time reduction glyphs, immov pots, escapist poisons and use this skill multiple times in group to yeat everyone of the walls/ platforms and go burn some lancers.

Even inside homekeeps people will be yeeted out on cc cooldown off the outer walls while everyone in the group keeps moving, gonna be so much fun 😂😂😂😂