Why does jumping not cost stamina?

KaosWarMonk · March 24

My dislike of constant bunny hopping in games made me wonder why, in ESO, there is no stamina cost for jumping.

Amottica · March 24

No offense but a dislike of certain behavior is not a reason for it to cost something.

Hopping around is very common in Cyrodiil-style PvP and it is rare for a game like this to have it cost stamina. That rarity is likely a driving factor in the design here and is unlikely to change.

I suggest looking past it. If it is while in combat, well, it does not stop attacks from landing.

LadyLavina · March 24

Amottica wrote: »

No offense but a dislike of certain behavior is not a reason for it to cost something.

Hopping around is very common in Cyrodiil-style PvP and it is rare for a game like this to have it cost stamina. That rarity is likely a driving factor in the design here and is unlikely to change.

I suggest looking past it. If it is while in combat, well, it does not stop attacks from landing.

lol Amottica , in my experience the vast majority of the forums have been "I don't like (insert X), please destroy/get rid of/nerf it for (insert Y flimsy reasons or just no reasons).

Jumping in other games? Sure, stamina, exhaustion, what have you.

ESO with no stamina cost to jumping for 10 years? No added stamina cost should happen

shimm · March 24

KaosWarMonk wrote: »

My dislike of constant bunny hopping in games made me wonder why, in ESO, there is no stamina cost for jumping.

I agree, but the fact of the matter is that people do it because they think it gives them an advantage - it doesn’t. Just kill ‘em. As others have pointed out, if they were going to change this they would have done so 8 or 9 years ago.

LadyLavina · March 24

shimm wrote: »

KaosWarMonk wrote: »

My dislike of constant bunny hopping in games made me wonder why, in ESO, there is no stamina cost for jumping.

I agree, but the fact of the matter is that people do it because they think it gives them an advantage - it doesn’t. Just kill ‘em. As others have pointed out, if they were going to change this they would have done so 8 or 9 years ago.

Agreed, it really doesn't.

Think of it this way, the moments they're spending hitting that key are moments you're spending laying down the hurt on them.

Let them jump around if they'd like , as goofy as it is lol

Vevvev · March 24

As long as your reticle is on them the attack will land so the bunny hoping really isn't doing anything. Jumping also doesn't reduce the incoming damage from area of effect abilities since they actually reach up into the air and will hit the airborne threat.

The benefits to jumping in ESO are so negligible adding a cost to it is a bit counter productive, especially when you realize there's no stamina cost to the constantly jogging we do 24/7 like it was in Morrowind. Even Oblivion got rid of the constant stamina drain when running, and while it did cost stamina to jump it didn't make it impossible to jump if you ran out. Skyrim got rid of the stamina cost from jumping entirely like ESO did.

vsrs_au · March 25

Vevvev wrote: »

As long as your reticle is on them the attack will land so the bunny hoping really isn't doing anything. Jumping also doesn't reduce the incoming damage from area of effect abilities since they actually reach up into the air and will hit the airborne threat.

The benefits to jumping in ESO are so negligible adding a cost to it is a bit counter productive, especially when you realize there's no stamina cost to the constantly jogging we do 24/7 like it was in Morrowind. Even Oblivion got rid of the constant stamina drain when running, and while it did cost stamina to jump it didn't make it impossible to jump if you ran out. Skyrim got rid of the stamina cost from jumping entirely like ESO did.

I like your typo: "bunny hoping" - that sums up what they're doing perfectly!

Elvenheart · March 25

In a lot of the other threads that have popped up with this question over the past years, I do recall some people replying that they do it out of habit leftover from other games, where jumping actually did help some. They said it’s just really become an automatic part of their rotation in PVP. I think if the people you see are doing it in the non-PVP areas they’re just doing it to be silly and get attention.

Redguards_Revenge · March 25

Well back in the day, when I had a Templar House, I had this song playing in the background...nowadays I am rolling...

People jump to see if they are CCed. It is the most effective way to tell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJjrAMIkEeI

TheMajority · March 25

Because no, that's why.

Elsonso · March 25

KaosWarMonk wrote: »

My dislike of constant bunny hopping in games made me wonder why, in ESO, there is no stamina cost for jumping.

It isn't just bunny hopping in PVP. Movement in this game is built on the need to jump just to climb, or even move normally. Every New Life Festival, I get caught up on the stairs in Ebonheart if I don't remember to jump. I often jog in place for a bit because I didn't see some rock on the ground that I have to jump over. And, it is always fun when I have to jump up on something, miss, and slide along the collision plane, or bounce off and fall.

KaosWarMonk · March 25

I wondered because I was watching some duels in another MMO and then was in IC doing a daily and ended up watching some fights there. It struck me how the fights in ESO looked particularly ridiculous, like everyone was fighting on trampolines.

IMO of course.

barney2525 · March 25

I only jumped around a lot when I finished orsineum and got my mount.

That was fun.

Good mount for a warden character.

colossalvoids · March 25

Personal dislike isn't ground for a mechanical constrain. If it would become a defensive move with some i-frame, mit or anything else then sure, but would also require a quite a lot of work on the game overall and resource management as a whole would require a rework.

ElderSmitter · March 25

in PVE many of us Hop around to show appreciation and excitement of accomplishing something like defeating a WB or Vet Dungeon Boss. . It is also a way of thanking someone. If your upset about someone hopping in PVP it is prob because you got killed lol and I am no PVP'er that's for sure.

Rowjoh · March 25

because it has no benefit other than convenience.

LalMirchi · March 25

Jumping for joy is fun, it does not give any advantage in combat. Let's not nerf jumping just because a player doesn't like to see other players jump.

AcadianPaladin · March 25

Bunny hopping isn't irritating; mounts that completely obliterate my screen when summoned. . . now that's irritating.

Anumaril · March 25

I'm a pretty big fan of immersion, and having jumping cost stamina would be great in my eyes (I even used an addon for it when playing Skyrim).

But to answer your question: it's not in the game because this is an MMO first and RPG second. There are certain functionalities they need to preserve to maintain resource efficiency, meet player expectations, and not present something too "different" from what other MMOs are known to do. Consider that the main pool of potential ESO players (i.e., customers) will be other MMO players, so having ESO behave too differently will be off-putting for them.

And finally, remember that most ESO players are change-averse (and so is the dev team for that matter). We are all humans after all. So introducing a change like that without tangible benefits would just stir discontent from existing players, on top of all the things I listed above regarding potential players.

Sakiri · March 25

Because it's a terrible idea.

It was a terrible idea in other games, and it'd be a terrible idea here, too.

What's next, running cost stamina too, so you have to walk everywhere, ala Morrowind?

Or did you forget people have abilities that cost Stamina as well?

Dragonnord · March 25

Sakiri wrote: »

What's next, running cost stamina too, so you have to walk everywhere, ala Morrowind?

Running costs stamina.

TybaltKaine · March 25

Didn't we just do this thread like two weeks ago? I'm trapped in a time loop, bunny hopping for all eternity with no stamina cost.

LadyLavina · March 25

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Well back in the day, when I had a Templar House

Templar house...

Oh @ZOS_Wrobel , you are missed lol

Sakiri · March 25

Dragonnord wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

What's next, running cost stamina too, so you have to walk everywhere, ala Morrowind?

Running costs stamina.

You're thinking of sprinting.

Dragonnord · March 25

Sakiri wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

What's next, running cost stamina too, so you have to walk everywhere, ala Morrowind?

Running costs stamina.

You're thinking of sprinting.

Yes, as I can't imagine getting everywhere "running". Would take you hours, as it's not like really running but like jogging (really, really slow).

OrionSamson · March 25

Why not add walking or running depleting the stamina pool? Why not swimming or even better..... swimming underwater? Also, add more exhaustion zones that make sense like in northern skyrim where you gonna need warm clothes just to survive?

xDeusEJRx · March 25

Because it would be a very poor concept to have in combat situations.

Imagine you're fighting someone and then get stuck on a box or awkward terrain and need to jump, now you're wasting stamina and potentially putting yourself in a situation to be Stam checked(forced into no stam) and the enemy can/will take advantage of that to cc and nuke you down.

This type of situation would be very common, especially in open world PVP where there's so much varying terrain. Someone could camp rocks or high terrain and then crowd control you as you're jumping the terrain to make you waste as much stamina as possible and kill box you while you're even trying to reach them.

Doesn't sound pleasant, yeah? Well that's because fundamentally it makes no sense to have that in combat, especially in PVP situations.

Elsonso · March 25

OrionSamson wrote: »

Why not add walking or running depleting the stamina pool? Why not swimming or even better..... swimming underwater? Also, add more exhaustion zones that make sense like in northern skyrim where you gonna need warm clothes just to survive?

If they did that, it might be pretty annoying.

Imagine if the water in Eastmarch and Western Skyrim behaved like it does during the Plunge quest in New Life Festival all the time? Just the slow all year would be annoying, but falling over dead would be really annoying.

Four_Fingers · March 25

Because all the sorcs would go on strike.

Amottica · March 26

LadyLavina wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

No offense but a dislike of certain behavior is not a reason for it to cost something.

Hopping around is very common in Cyrodiil-style PvP and it is rare for a game like this to have it cost stamina. That rarity is likely a driving factor in the design here and is unlikely to change.

I suggest looking past it. If it is while in combat, well, it does not stop attacks from landing.

lol Amottica , in my experience the vast majority of the forums have been "I don't like (insert X), please destroy/get rid of/nerf it for (insert Y flimsy reasons or just no reasons).

Jumping in other games? Sure, stamina, exhaustion, what have you.

ESO with no stamina cost to jumping for 10 years? No added stamina cost should happen

Of course, a lot of threads are complaints about something or someone wanting things differently. That does not mean most of those threads should lead to changes. Heck, There does not seem to be a lot of agreement with the suggestion.

I cannot recall the last MMORPG I played where jumping cost stamina. I certainly can't recall a major title where this happens.

It does not provide an advantage so there is no justification for a cost. Ok, it offers an advantage with trolling a player which leads to them making a mistake but self-control and making wise choices counteracts that.

SerafinaWaterstar · March 26

Agree with the OP.

It’s mightily irritating. Genuinely annoys me in pvp. Boing boing boing boing. 🤬