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Swallow who? Oh Swallow soul.

FoJul
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Another patch goes by, and swallow soul still irrelevant, as we get yet another concealed weapon buff. Can we remove swallow soul and just make it a heal skill only? Actually just delete swallow soul and replace it.

I get ppl mad about nightblade being strong, but come on folks, its been 6 years since Swallow soul was usable.
  • TybaltKaine
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    Go pair it with War Maiden and Sergeants and enjoy the 20k crits on a spammable.
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    • "Nightblade healer huh? How does that work?"
    • "I drain the blood of our enemies and fire it into you. It's a lot less messy than it sounds, and yeah I'm basically a Vampire without the whole AGH FIRE BAD"
  • TybaltKaine
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    Challenge accepted, Gimme an hour.
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    • "Nightblade healer huh? How does that work?"
    • "I drain the blood of our enemies and fire it into you. It's a lot less messy than it sounds, and yeah I'm basically a Vampire without the whole AGH FIRE BAD"
  • TybaltKaine
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    Enjoy.

    I'm only hitting around 16 to 17k on this WB with an unoptimized build (not all divines, not all gold)

    I died in the video, because I wasn't trying to win, just show the skill in action against a DLC WB. It cooks in a solid rotation and has made life infinitely easier for a guy with bad arthritis trying to play his favorite class.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=-G7provZ_bQ

    Jump to 4:22 to see the fight.
    Edited by TybaltKaine on February 5, 2024 5:50PM
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    • Knight of Marrow - Blackfeather Academy
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    • Dragon Frog - Butterscotch Dragon Frog
    • Trader- Tamriel Trade Secrets
    • "Nightblade healer huh? How does that work?"
    • "I drain the blood of our enemies and fire it into you. It's a lot less messy than it sounds, and yeah I'm basically a Vampire without the whole AGH FIRE BAD"
  • TybaltKaine
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    Don't move the goalposts man. It's usable. If I finish the build and crank the pen for end game content I'm doing solid damage. This is on an unfinished build with blues and purples pure solo. With group buffs and all gold/traited it does better.
    • Tybalt Kaine Khajiit Nightblade Aldmeri Dominion
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    • Guildmaster- Lucky Raven
    • Knight of Marrow - Blackfeather Academy
    • Adepti- The Witches Goblet
    • Dragon Frog - Butterscotch Dragon Frog
    • Trader- Tamriel Trade Secrets
    • "Nightblade healer huh? How does that work?"
    • "I drain the blood of our enemies and fire it into you. It's a lot less messy than it sounds, and yeah I'm basically a Vampire without the whole AGH FIRE BAD"
  • TybaltKaine
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    I've shown my hand. You wanted to see it hit those numbers and I showed it to you. Go put the build together yourself and see what you parse. Tweak it to be a two bar and watch the numbers go higher. The reality is I'm hitting 17k crits on a DLC WB with 6k pen and arthritis with no rotation and not actually trying.

    When I do use the skill in endgame content (as a healer) I'm still getting those same 17-20k pops on Trial bosses. Imagine if I was actually a competent DPS with a full build for it.

    Think outside of the box and stop sipping the meta kool-aid. The skill is viable, I've shown my work.
    • Tybalt Kaine Khajiit Nightblade Aldmeri Dominion
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    • Guildmaster- Lucky Raven
    • Knight of Marrow - Blackfeather Academy
    • Adepti- The Witches Goblet
    • Dragon Frog - Butterscotch Dragon Frog
    • Trader- Tamriel Trade Secrets
    • "Nightblade healer huh? How does that work?"
    • "I drain the blood of our enemies and fire it into you. It's a lot less messy than it sounds, and yeah I'm basically a Vampire without the whole AGH FIRE BAD"
  • soulus42
    soulus42
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    While I know Swallow Soul needs buffing, I still like using it. But I also like playing necro, so you could say I just enjoy suffering.

    Still, would be nice for Swallow Soul to get some attention in the future.
  • Tyrant_Tim
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    Why run Swallow Soul when you can just throw on Concealed Weapon and hit harder than an Uppercut on an instant cast skill that sets enemies off balance and gives you Minor Expedition?
    Edited by Tyrant_Tim on February 5, 2024 6:15PM
  • TybaltKaine
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    Y'all are so entrenched in your positions that acknowledging anything beyond them is impossible. Fine, swallow soul is trash. Sure.

    Dunno why I bother to engage in the first place, it's like talking to wall.
    • Tybalt Kaine Khajiit Nightblade Aldmeri Dominion
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    • Guildmaster- Lucky Raven
    • Knight of Marrow - Blackfeather Academy
    • Adepti- The Witches Goblet
    • Dragon Frog - Butterscotch Dragon Frog
    • Trader- Tamriel Trade Secrets
    • "Nightblade healer huh? How does that work?"
    • "I drain the blood of our enemies and fire it into you. It's a lot less messy than it sounds, and yeah I'm basically a Vampire without the whole AGH FIRE BAD"
  • CameraBeardThePirate
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    Y'all are so entrenched in your positions that acknowledging anything beyond them is impossible. Fine, swallow soul is trash. Sure.

    Dunno why I bother to engage in the first place, it's like talking to wall.

    Dude idk why you're being so hostile all of a sudden.

    Swallow Soul is objectively worse than almost any other spammable in the game.

    Your video did nothing but prove that.
  • FoJul
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    I've shown my hand. You wanted to see it hit those numbers and I showed it to you. Go put the build together yourself and see what you parse. Tweak it to be a two bar and watch the numbers go higher. The reality is I'm hitting 17k crits on a DLC WB with 6k pen and arthritis with no rotation and not actually trying.

    When I do use the skill in endgame content (as a healer) I'm still getting those same 17-20k pops on Trial bosses. Imagine if I was actually a competent DPS with a full build for it.

    Think outside of the box and stop sipping the meta kool-aid. The skill is viable, I've shown my work.

    If anyone is sipping the meta Kool-aid, it deffinetely is not me. Every single build i have is far from meta. When they made the concealed buff change to give 10% unique damage i made a rangeblade work with SSC. BUt that was before flame staff was nerfed/ the concealed buff was changed to the same buff SSC gives.

    heres MY video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkIO3JcPQQ8

    This was almost a full year ago. A lot of nerfs to this build specifically made it unusable.
  • FoJul
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    I've shown my hand. You wanted to see it hit those numbers and I showed it to you. Go put the build together yourself and see what you parse. Tweak it to be a two bar and watch the numbers go higher. The reality is I'm hitting 17k crits on a DLC WB with 6k pen and arthritis with no rotation and not actually trying.

    When I do use the skill in endgame content (as a healer) I'm still getting those same 17-20k pops on Trial bosses. Imagine if I was actually a competent DPS with a full build for it.

    Think outside of the box and stop sipping the meta kool-aid. The skill is viable, I've shown my work.

    Regarding pve, the only way to really make nightblade work is in the sets and not the spammable, as swallow soul is like atleast 30% worse than concealed and like 35% worse than silver bolt.
  • TybaltKaine
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    There is zero hostility. I'm a bad player hitting those numbers. The idea that people who are actually skilled can't do better is absurd. That's my position. If I can hit that with a hastily put together build and bad hands, better people should be doing more.

    My position is that the skill is fine. Clearing 15k on a spammable without a rotation and an incomplete build is somehow garbage though.

    EDIT: Like seriously, 15k pressing a single button is now bad? What skills are y'all using that aren't executes/stacks hitting more than 15k on a single cast? Tell me, I seriously want to know.

    I mean, we have people who aren't clearing 20k DPS with full rotations and I can hit it with one button. How is this a bad skill?
    Edited by TybaltKaine on February 5, 2024 6:26PM
    • Tybalt Kaine Khajiit Nightblade Aldmeri Dominion
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    • Guildmaster- Lucky Raven
    • Knight of Marrow - Blackfeather Academy
    • Adepti- The Witches Goblet
    • Dragon Frog - Butterscotch Dragon Frog
    • Trader- Tamriel Trade Secrets
    • "Nightblade healer huh? How does that work?"
    • "I drain the blood of our enemies and fire it into you. It's a lot less messy than it sounds, and yeah I'm basically a Vampire without the whole AGH FIRE BAD"
  • IncultaWolf
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    soulus42 wrote: »
    While I know Swallow Soul needs buffing, I still like using it. But I also like playing necro, so you could say I just enjoy suffering.

    Still, would be nice for Swallow Soul to get some attention in the future.

    Sounds like me :relieved:
  • Tyrant_Tim
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    There are only three niché areas of the game where Swallow Soul is used, and those are…
    • Solo Arenas
    • Groups without Healers
    • Asylum Sanctorium

    You could honestly bundle “Solo Arenas” into “Groups without Healers” and even every niché, the skill is not optimal, and more of a training-wheels option.
  • emilyhyoyeon
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    As long as it keeps its sap/siphoning theme (health mechanic of some sort), I'll take any buff to swallow soul.
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  • Major_Toughness
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    Yeah even with Soulcleaver which gives it 18% more damage, it is still less damage than Concealed on a normal build.
  • Zodiarkslayer
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    FoJul wrote: »
    Which this build is fine for gathering crafting nodes and treasure chest. But for any real end game content, Swallow soul in general is a joke.

    Show me one ranged spammable that is competitive dps!
    They are designed to not be competitive! There is a standard for ranged spammables in ESO and Swallow Soul follows it to the letter.

    I have mained a MagBlade ever since I started ESO and I love this ability.
    Swallow Soul is a fine and staple SOLO ability, that has its place in PvE and PvP. Not at the top, but also far from at the bottom.
    The heal comes in between 6k and 9k on my build. How is that not awesome?
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  • CameraBeardThePirate
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    FoJul wrote: »
    Which this build is fine for gathering crafting nodes and treasure chest. But for any real end game content, Swallow soul in general is a joke.

    Show me one ranged spammable that is competitive dps!
    They are designed to not be competitive! There is a standard for ranged spammables in ESO and Swallow Soul follows it to the letter.

    I have mained a MagBlade ever since I started ESO and I love this ability.
    Swallow Soul is a fine and staple SOLO ability, that has its place in PvE and PvP. Not at the top, but also far from at the bottom.
    The heal comes in between 6k and 9k on my build. How is that not awesome?

    Crushing shock/force pulse is definitely competitive.

    Venom Skull (in PvE) is 100% competitive because the tooltip on it is insane.
  • Dekrypted
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    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
    …Swallow Soul is objectively worse than almost any other spammable in the game.

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    (Quoting the image because lol it's so bad too)
    Is this thread about PvE, PvP, or both?
    Edited by Dekrypted on February 5, 2024 6:41PM
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  • FoJul
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    There is zero hostility. I'm a bad player hitting those numbers. The idea that people who are actually skilled can't do better is absurd. That's my position. If I can hit that with a hastily put together build and bad hands, better people should be doing more.

    My position is that the skill is fine. Clearing 15k on a spammable without a rotation and an incomplete build is somehow garbage though.

    EDIT: Like seriously, 15k pressing a single button is now bad? What skills are y'all using that aren't executes/stacks hitting more than 15k on a single cast? Tell me, I seriously want to know.

    I mean, we have people who aren't clearing 20k DPS with full rotations and I can hit it with one button. How is this a bad skill?

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    This was on a target dummy with trial buffs.

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    This was on a target dummy with trial buffs aswell.

    The biggest difference here, is that with the concealed build it is NOT optimized and is in Order's Wrath and relequin/Maelstrom 2h , as my swallow soul Build is fully optimized and is in Relequen/Whorl with Maelstrom inferno.

    The Swallow soul build is also in kilt and the Concealed build is non mythic.

    The concealed build is in a imperfect build/Swallow Soul is literally as BiS as BiS can get for PvE that is.

    Even with blue jewlry with arcane traits and mostly purple armor on the body, Im still seeing a big difference in the DPS numbers.

    My unoptimized thrown together melee nightblade, did more dmg and higher parse ~ for the record than my fully optimized Swallow soul build.

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    This was on a Trial dummy, my highest parse on nightblade, this was the fully optimized stamblade. 106k dps my PR (AKA the proc BiS stamblade pve)
    Edited by FoJul on February 5, 2024 6:51PM
  • FoJul
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    Dekrypted wrote: »
    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
    …Swallow Soul is objectively worse than almost any other spammable in the game.

    8u2qetc6f0qv.jpeg

    (Quoting the image because lol it's so bad too)
    Is this thread about PvE, PvP, or both?

    both/ Swallow soul in all content is bad. minus solo gathering nodes lol
  • TybaltKaine
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    We clearly have different definitions of the word bad. I'll take 1/4 of an enemy's health and healing myself for 10K on a single button press any day of the week.

    Y'all go ahead and cook though.
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    • "Nightblade healer huh? How does that work?"
    • "I drain the blood of our enemies and fire it into you. It's a lot less messy than it sounds, and yeah I'm basically a Vampire without the whole AGH FIRE BAD"
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