Oakensoul Ring and mythic sets

moo_2021

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

LunaFlora

empower is a big reason Oakensoul gets used

moo_2021

LunaFlora wrote: »

empower is a big reason Oakensoul gets used

But that's pve only, also minor aegis. Or give us a strip downed version not counting as mythic.


Btw why is oak ring important for a ha build? Isn't ha build slow-paced and easier to use a back bar already?

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

So you want the benefits of Oakensoul and the double bar? Why? That would make this mythic completely OP.

As for Empower, the reason to use Oakensoul is the Empower and this mythic works at it's full potential if you Heavy Attack all the time. Otherwise if you just use Light Attack, there are other mythics better than this.

As there is Velothi for classes where 80% of the time are using channelled abilities and dots like Arcanist and Templar and LA is less than 2% of their skills used.

ADarklore

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

As you said, it's a gameplay choice. I run Oakensoul on all my builds because of the simplicity. I honestly hated having to run two bars because, for me, as I play on PC with a controller- the lag during bar swap would sometimes cause the bar to not actually swap- and it would take me a few seconds to realize the bar didn't actually swap; it made the game extremely frustrating for me. However, since Oakensoul, I have enjoyed the game so much more because I can get all the buffs that I'd normally have to slot skills to get, and can instead focus on playing the game. I have yet to find any content (that I enjoy) that I cannot succeed at with a one-bar build.

Pixiepumpkin

ADarklore wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

As you said, it's a gameplay choice. I run Oakensoul on all my builds because of the simplicity. I honestly hated having to run two bars because, for me, as I play on PC with a controller- the lag during bar swap would sometimes cause the bar to not actually swap- and it would take me a few seconds to realize the bar didn't actually swap; it made the game extremely frustrating for me. However, since Oakensoul, I have enjoyed the game so much more because I can get all the buffs that I'd normally have to slot skills to get, and can instead focus on playing the game. I have yet to find any content (that I enjoy) that I cannot succeed at with a one-bar build.

I am the same way. I could manage 50+ keybinds on my hunter in wow, but I can't manage bar swapping due to lag issues. Heck, I can't even get ultimates to go off inside of 5 seconds at times. I have to literally spam the button for that long to get ults to work.

My biggest issue with oakensoul is that I really wish I had one more ability slot with it.

For example on my arcanist I run Fatecarver, a Heal, Spammable, a utility, a buff and then the ult. The issue is I need more than 1 utility, and or more than 1 buff.

I understand that the UI in ESO was to placate to the needs or console controllers and to work with PC, but I really really wish at times this game had hot bars with buttons instead of the bar swap mechanic (I miss making macros with emotes for fast emoting in wow).

All of that being said. I like bar swapping in new world, probably becasue their weapons actually convey that you are using an actual weapon...ESO does not feel that way to me, its a bit disconnected, especially becasue most builds revolve around back bar buffing, front bar damage. I prefer when weapons are swapped that you are using that weapon for its abilities. Its hard to describe and I loath new world, but they got their weapon feel down right.

AScarlato

Please no. Leave oakensoul as is. A lot of people looking to relax built oakensoul HA builds depend on empower and it’s already been nerfed.

NeoniKa

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

Please no. Leave it as it is. Why would you want it nerfed if you want it? Then no one wouldn't want it.

Also, it's a lot of fun to collect it and you can level up while doing it.

Artim_X

The kiss and curse for Oakensoul is currently balanced. Mythics can change the way the game is played and this item does it quite well. No change is needed.

Braffin

Every mythic is meant to change a specific part of the combat experience and is therefore a gameplay-altering choice. Oakensoul isn't an exception in this regard.

Allowing another mythic equipped at the same time would be highly unbalanced. Definitely against this suggestion.

TaSheen

Oakensoul enables me to stay alive a lot easier (in everything but the last chapter bosses generally). I don't play the HA style, I've never liked heavy attacking; I just run a few class skills and a weapon skill - works for me. Satellite mega-ping and aging reflexes always made barswapping a crapshoot for me, so Oakensoul is kind of miraculous for me.

I don't want the ring nerfed any more than it already has been, so no thanks OP.

jaws343

moo_2021 wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

empower is a big reason Oakensoul gets used

But that's pve only, also minor aegis. Or give us a strip downed version not counting as mythic.


Btw why is oak ring important for a ha build? Isn't ha build slow-paced and easier to use a back bar already?

Heavy attack builds are all about stacking as many passive buffs as possible, paired with a few survival and long last dot/aoe skills. To maximize the usage of heavy attacks in a rotations.

For most HA builds, you are never letting go of the heavy attack button in combat and are applying other skills at the end of every HA.

Oakensoul does two important things for a HA build, Empower, and passive buffs. All of which are active 100% of the time. A two bar build relies on bar swapping (which halts a heavy attack), and buffing using skills. With Oakensoul, you can add more buff skills to your bar, alongside 1 or two long lasting dots, and maybe a heal (depending on the content need). All of the buffs you would need skills for you get from having Oakensoul. So you aren't spending time keeping up resistances, or damage buffs, and instead can focus on doing damage.

LunaFlora

moo_2021 wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

empower is a big reason Oakensoul gets used

But that's pve only, also minor aegis. Or give us a strip downed version not counting as mythic.


Btw why is oak ring important for a ha build? Isn't ha build slow-paced and easier to use a back bar already?

no because lots of people use Oakensoul to avoid keeping up temporary buffs, barswapping, and with empower to heavy attack weave if weaving at all.

because a lot of Oakensoul users are disabled and barswapping regularly, keeping up temporary buffs, and light attack weaving can be painful.

it's why i use Oakensoul.

Bobargus

What the original poster's probably saying is that "there are other mythic items that i would like to use, but i feel like i am forced to using Oakensoul".

If that is so, then i feel the same way as well.

CGPsaint

Every mythic has pros and cons. Pick the one that works best for your build instead of asking for ZOS to make unnecessary changes.

Northwold

Is the original poster asking to be able to use another mythic AS WELL AS Oakensoul? I'm not quite clear.

If that is what the poster is asking, I really think that would hugely imbalance gameplay because of the sheer quantity of buffs Oakensoul gives you already. And I've recently started using Oakensoul (I only play PvE) because it's just a lot less annoying.

As for stripping it of empower, etc, people WANT the DPS buffs for Oakensoul. That's essentially the point of the ring!! It's the main reason I got it. So I could solo DLC dungeons more easily. I *didn't* get it just to be able to play with one bar and, indeed, you can do that without Oakensoul if you want to and use something else like pale order or whatever.

moo_2021

Northwold wrote: »

Is the original poster asking to be able to use another mythic AS WELL AS Oakensoul? I'm not quite clear.

Yes. Isn't losing the back bar already a huge disadvantage itself, especially in pvp where you can't keep back bar HoTs and set procs?

That's why I propose a non-mythic version - if it's solely meant as a replacement of backbar buffs, major resolve+ brutality+savagery plus minor endurance/intellect would be enough? it'd still be one bar and player can add another mythic.


Or just give us the 3 major buffs when we have no secondary weapon

TaSheen

I have yet to find another mythic that I'd want to use. Oakensoul is a perfect fit for me, and others. So no, no more nerfs.

Northwold

moo_2021 wrote: »

Northwold wrote: »

Is the original poster asking to be able to use another mythic AS WELL AS Oakensoul? I'm not quite clear.

Yes. Isn't losing the back bar already a huge disadvantage itself, especially in pvp where you can't keep back bar HoTs and set procs?

That's why I propose a non-mythic version - if it's solely meant as a replacement of backbar buffs, major resolve+ brutality+savagery plus minor endurance/intellect would be enough? it'd still be one bar and player can add another mythic.


Or just give us the 3 major buffs when we have no secondary weapon

Not being able to use the back bar (and not being able to slot another mythic) is *the trade off* for getting those buffs! You're basically saying you want the buffs with no tradeoffs,but you don't need buffs X and Y so get rid of them. I don't personally see any real logic to that. You'd end up either spectacularly overpowered running two mythics or with a version of oakensoul so compromised it wouldn't do what you wanted it for in the first place.

Rkindaleft

Allowing Oakensoul to be run with other mythic items would completely break the balance of the game. You have access to 100% uptime on several (seventeen!) buffs with the trade off being you are forced into running a single bar. You could drop a few buffs as you said but it would still be totally broken af and there would be absolutely zero reason to run anything else on almost all builds.

Not to mention it would also be a nerf to the people who use/require Oakensoul as an accessibility option/HA playstyle.

LalMirchi

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

Why? This is the primary idea behind mythic gear, ie only one one allowed per build. Making an established gear item non-mythical is rather nonsensical.

Pixiepumpkin

LalMirchi wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

Why? This is the primary idea behind mythic gear, ie only one one allowed per build. Making an established gear item non-mythical is rather nonsensical.

I cant speak for the person you are quoting, but I would guess becasue oakensoul allows for a completely different way to play the game and for some its necessary (arthritis, bad latancy, health, etc).

SpacemanSpiff1

i also wanna stack mythics. no nerfs tho.

BXR_Lonestar

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

Your "loss of access" is a build choice when you use oakensoul. Presumably you are aware of its balancing restrictions, so you are free to use it or not use it. I have the oakensoul ring and I use it on 2 characters. My other 9 don't bother with it because I want the flexibility of having 2 bars, and I do just fine without it on those characters. Not sure what the big issue is. If you feel it is too restrictive, then just use a different mythic item or build. Nobody's forcing you to use it.

Pixiepumpkin

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

Not sure what the big issue is.

Oakensoul allows for a completely different way to play the game and for some its necessary (arthritis, bad latancy, health, etc). I think that is why they are suggesting what they are. I don't want to see it removed as a mythic or get its own slot, but I understand their reasoning. I have to run oakensoul on every build now due to latancy (bar swapping is not even remotely reliable in high ping).

TaSheen

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

Not sure what the big issue is.

Oakensoul allows for a completely different way to play the game and for some its necessary (arthritis, bad latancy, health, etc). I think that is why they are suggesting what they are. I don't want to see it removed as a mythic or get its own slot, but I understand their reasoning. I have to run oakensoul on every build now due to latancy (bar swapping is not even remotely reliable in high ping).

Oh so true!

Pixiepumpkin

TaSheen wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

Not sure what the big issue is.

Oakensoul allows for a completely different way to play the game and for some its necessary (arthritis, bad latancy, health, etc). I think that is why they are suggesting what they are. I don't want to see it removed as a mythic or get its own slot, but I understand their reasoning. I have to run oakensoul on every build now due to latancy (bar swapping is not even remotely reliable in high ping).

Oh so true!

And the issue is, there is nothing I can do to fix it. I moved overseas and cant transfer my account and there is no way I am parting with the well over 2500 dollars spent on this game so I am stuck playing thousands of miles away.

Bar swapping and ultimates are not even close to reliable (neither is break free).

The thing I hate is that I don't get to play with the utility I am used to that back bar allows for (you know as an old hunter how much ultility we had, between traps, taunts, flare, etc).

mocap

Make Might of the Guild Empower bonus duration like 30 seconds. I'll be the first to trash Oaken and replace it with Pale Order.

TaSheen

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

Not sure what the big issue is.

Oakensoul allows for a completely different way to play the game and for some its necessary (arthritis, bad latancy, health, etc). I think that is why they are suggesting what they are. I don't want to see it removed as a mythic or get its own slot, but I understand their reasoning. I have to run oakensoul on every build now due to latancy (bar swapping is not even remotely reliable in high ping).

Oh so true!

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

Not sure what the big issue is.

Oakensoul allows for a completely different way to play the game and for some its necessary (arthritis, bad latancy, health, etc). I think that is why they are suggesting what they are. I don't want to see it removed as a mythic or get its own slot, but I understand their reasoning. I have to run oakensoul on every build now due to latancy (bar swapping is not even remotely reliable in high ping).

Oh so true!

And the issue is, there is nothing I can do to fix it. I moved overseas and cant transfer my account and there is no way I am parting with the well over 2500 dollars spent on this game so I am stuck playing thousands of miles away.

Bar swapping and ultimates are not even close to reliable (neither is break free).

The thing I hate is that I don't get to play with the utility I am used to that back bar allows for (you know as an old hunter how much ultility we had, between traps, taunts, flare, etc).

Oh, it could be worse for you - you could live overseas AND have only satellite for connection! Seriously, I wouldn't wish satellite ping on my worst enemy.... I'm pretty used to the high ping now, but boy was i in trouble for the first few years I lived here!

And yes - I used nearly every key plus CTRL, SHIFT, ALT on my hunters. Of course, I was a lot younger then, had "real broadband" (before moving out here), good reflexes....

Pixiepumpkin

TaSheen wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

Not sure what the big issue is.

Oakensoul allows for a completely different way to play the game and for some its necessary (arthritis, bad latancy, health, etc). I think that is why they are suggesting what they are. I don't want to see it removed as a mythic or get its own slot, but I understand their reasoning. I have to run oakensoul on every build now due to latancy (bar swapping is not even remotely reliable in high ping).

Oh so true!

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Can the Oakensoul Ring not be counted as a mythic set for the 1 set restriction? It's really a gameplay style choice (who'd use one bar without the ring?) and absolutely necessary for forever noobs like me, but then we lose access to all other interesting items.

In exchange the ring could lose a few buffs that nobody does on back bar, for example minor heroism or empower.

Not sure what the big issue is.

Oakensoul allows for a completely different way to play the game and for some its necessary (arthritis, bad latancy, health, etc). I think that is why they are suggesting what they are. I don't want to see it removed as a mythic or get its own slot, but I understand their reasoning. I have to run oakensoul on every build now due to latancy (bar swapping is not even remotely reliable in high ping).

Oh so true!

And the issue is, there is nothing I can do to fix it. I moved overseas and cant transfer my account and there is no way I am parting with the well over 2500 dollars spent on this game so I am stuck playing thousands of miles away.

Bar swapping and ultimates are not even close to reliable (neither is break free).

The thing I hate is that I don't get to play with the utility I am used to that back bar allows for (you know as an old hunter how much ultility we had, between traps, taunts, flare, etc).

Oh, it could be worse for you - you could live overseas AND have only satellite for connection! Seriously, I wouldn't wish satellite ping on my worst enemy.... I'm pretty used to the high ping now, but boy was i in trouble for the first few years I lived here!

And yes - I used nearly every key plus CTRL, SHIFT, ALT on my hunters. Of course, I was a lot younger then, had "real broadband" (before moving out here), good reflexes....

Ya, satalite ping is pretty bad. I think the starlink stuff is ok, but never looked I to it.

I just really dislike how bar swapping plays out with high ping. You go to bar swap, nothing happens, so you swap again and nothing happens because latancy caught up and you are back where you started. It's not so bad with abilities because you can spam them, but that does not work with bar swapping.

CGPsaint

mocap wrote: »

Make Might of the Guild Empower bonus duration like 30 seconds. I'll be the first to trash Oaken and replace it with Pale Order.

Honestly this is the best suggestion that would make it easy to run a heavy attack build without having to use Oakensoul.