Oakensoul Ring and mythic sets

Priyasekarssk

Oakensoul need a huge buff to even viable in many scenarios. [snip] In fact only oakensoul makes viable to play with high lag servers.

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CGPsaint

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oakensoul need a huge buff to even viable in many scenarios. [snip] In fact only oakensoul makes viable to play with high lag servers.

I wouldn't complain if they buffed Oakensoul, but it's certainly not needed. Also not sure I'd go so far as to say it's a L2P issue. I enjoy playing my 2-bar Arcanist, but I also like just kicking back and rolling my HA Sorc as well. Depends on the content and the mood.

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Pixiepumpkin

CGPsaint wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oakensoul need a huge buff to even viable in many scenarios. [snip] In fact only oakensoul makes viable to play with high lag servers.

I wouldn't complain if they buffed Oakensoul, but it's certainly not needed. Also not sure I'd go so far as to say it's a L2P issue. I enjoy playing my 2-bar Arcanist, but I also like just kicking back and rolling my HA Sorc as well. Depends on the content and the mood.

It's necessary on high ping servers. You can't reliably bar swap.

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TaSheen

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oakensoul need a huge buff to even viable in many scenarios. [snip] In fact only oakensoul makes viable to play with high lag servers.

I wouldn't complain if they buffed Oakensoul, but it's certainly not needed. Also not sure I'd go so far as to say it's a L2P issue. I enjoy playing my 2-bar Arcanist, but I also like just kicking back and rolling my HA Sorc as well. Depends on the content and the mood.

It's necessary on high ping servers. You can't reliably bar swap.

Yes, it is. Not only is bar swap not realiable at 750+ ms ping, almost NOTHING else is either.

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CGPsaint

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oakensoul need a huge buff to even viable in many scenarios. [snip] In fact only oakensoul makes viable to play with high lag servers.

I wouldn't complain if they buffed Oakensoul, but it's certainly not needed. Also not sure I'd go so far as to say it's a L2P issue. I enjoy playing my 2-bar Arcanist, but I also like just kicking back and rolling my HA Sorc as well. Depends on the content and the mood.

It's necessary on high ping servers. You can't reliably bar swap.

I get that, however they honestly can't buff Oakensoul just for people with high pings. Remember when Oakensoul first dropped with Major Heroism? How would you buff it, without it being game-breaking?

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Pixiepumpkin

CGPsaint wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oakensoul need a huge buff to even viable in many scenarios. [snip] In fact only oakensoul makes viable to play with high lag servers.

I wouldn't complain if they buffed Oakensoul, but it's certainly not needed. Also not sure I'd go so far as to say it's a L2P issue. I enjoy playing my 2-bar Arcanist, but I also like just kicking back and rolling my HA Sorc as well. Depends on the content and the mood.

It's necessary on high ping servers. You can't reliably bar swap.

I get that, however they honestly can't buff Oakensoul just for people with high pings. Remember when Oakensoul first dropped with Major Heroism? How would you buff it, without it being game-breaking?

Actually I can when I have spent over 3000.00 USD on this game. I have the best fiber internet in my area, a PC that would make most people on these forums envious but because of life circumstances I moved overseas and ZOS refuses to allow me a transfer.

Secondly, I never said they should buff it, but the ring allows for players who can not play the game as designed a way to play the game, it should be a viable option...and frankly even if it WAS overtuned I do not see that as being a bad thing, you give up a lot of utility to use the ring.

Frankly, Oakensoul should have its own slot to allow for 2x 5x and a monster set, losing the abilties is enough curse of the kiss curse, losing a 5 piece bonus is not necessary. How about we start there?

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CGPsaint

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oakensoul need a huge buff to even viable in many scenarios. [snip] In fact only oakensoul makes viable to play with high lag servers.

I wouldn't complain if they buffed Oakensoul, but it's certainly not needed. Also not sure I'd go so far as to say it's a L2P issue. I enjoy playing my 2-bar Arcanist, but I also like just kicking back and rolling my HA Sorc as well. Depends on the content and the mood.

It's necessary on high ping servers. You can't reliably bar swap.

I get that, however they honestly can't buff Oakensoul just for people with high pings. Remember when Oakensoul first dropped with Major Heroism? How would you buff it, without it being game-breaking?

Actually I can when I have spent over 3000.00 USD on this game. I have the best fiber internet in my area, a PC that would make most people on these forums envious but because of life circumstances I moved overseas and ZOS refuses to allow me a transfer.

Secondly, I never said they should buff it, but the ring allows for players who can not play the game as designed a way to play the game, it should be a viable option...and frankly even if it WAS overtuned I do not see that as being a bad thing, you give up a lot of utility to use the ring.

Frankly, Oakensoul should have its own slot to allow for 2x 5x and a monster set, losing the abilties is enough curse of the kiss curse, losing a 5 piece bonus is not necessary. How about we start there?

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That's a bit much. Oakensoul replaces the need to run skills for:

• Major Sorcery/Brutality
• Major Prophecy/Savagery
• Major Resolve
• Empower
• Minor Force
• Minor Berserk
• Minor Courage
• Minor Protection

That's 8 skill slots freed up. Even if you are getting Minor Courage and Minor Protection from the group, that's still 6 skill slots that are freed up.

Oakensoul also provides Minor Slayer and Minor Aegis which you wouldn't even get together unless you ran two trial sets, which you generally wouldn't do. And on top of that it also gives Minor Mending and recovery for all three resources. There's a reason that it limits you to one bar, and that's because you get so much from running single piece of gear.

It's a bummer that your internet is not up to par, but that isn't a reason for ZOS to buff a mythic that will then just be abused in PvP again, just like it was at release.

Priyasekarssk

CGPsaint wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oakensoul need a huge buff to even viable in many scenarios. [snip] In fact only oakensoul makes viable to play with high lag servers.

I wouldn't complain if they buffed Oakensoul, but it's certainly not needed. Also not sure I'd go so far as to say it's a L2P issue. I enjoy playing my 2-bar Arcanist, but I also like just kicking back and rolling my HA Sorc as well. Depends on the content and the mood.

It's necessary on high ping servers. You can't reliably bar swap.

I get that, however they honestly can't buff Oakensoul just for people with high pings. Remember when Oakensoul first dropped with Major Heroism? How would you buff it, without it being game-breaking?

Actually I can when I have spent over 3000.00 USD on this game. I have the best fiber internet in my area, a PC that would make most people on these forums envious but because of life circumstances I moved overseas and ZOS refuses to allow me a transfer.

Secondly, I never said they should buff it, but the ring allows for players who can not play the game as designed a way to play the game, it should be a viable option...and frankly even if it WAS overtuned I do not see that as being a bad thing, you give up a lot of utility to use the ring.

Frankly, Oakensoul should have its own slot to allow for 2x 5x and a monster set, losing the abilties is enough curse of the kiss curse, losing a 5 piece bonus is not necessary. How about we start there?

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That's a bit much. Oakensoul replaces the need to run skills for:

• Major Sorcery/Brutality
• Major Prophecy/Savagery
• Major Resolve
• Empower
• Minor Force
• Minor Berserk
• Minor Courage
• Minor Protection

That's 8 skill slots freed up. Even if you are getting Minor Courage and Minor Protection from the group, that's still 6 skill slots that are freed up.

Oakensoul also provides Minor Slayer and Minor Aegis which you wouldn't even get together unless you ran two trial sets, which you generally wouldn't do. And on top of that it also gives Minor Mending and recovery for all three resources. There's a reason that it limits you to one bar, and that's because you get so much from running single piece of gear.

It's a bummer that your internet is not up to par, but that isn't a reason for ZOS to buff a mythic that will then just be abused in PvP again, just like it was at release.

Nope. Oakensoul doesn’t buff anything especially in group play. Only thing is minor heroism at expense of skill bar ,a weapon including enchantments & 5 piece set . It’s a fat nerf to play oakensoul . It’s not player internet issues. Why many eso streamers are from Texas or near to server location? ESO favors people who are near to server. There is no fair play. ESO is highly based on how your skills fire up rather than player skill. That’s the main reason eso is not attracting high skilled players. High skilled pvp player play competitive games and earn money. Why would they choose mmo? I am good player in other games. My type speed is around 150-200 wpm or 800 lpm. Faster I hit eso lags out and boots me. Desync is out of control in pvp. I have never faced this in any other games with exact cooldown and sync correctly. Only thing some people doesn’t like oakensoul it’s level the playing field by two. It’s scares semi skilled players with inflated super complex.

WITHOUT oakensoul this game is long dead. Only few hundreds near eso servers will play the game. Server proximity plays huge role in ESO. Zos need to nerf game speed and cooldowns in place so that so that desync won’t affect player interactions . Then put 5 bars with 26 keys. No one will care.

CGPsaint

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Nope. Oakensoul doesn’t buff anything. Only thing is minor heroism. It’s a fat nerf. It’s not player internet issues. Why many eso streamers are from Texas or near to server location? ESO favors people who are near to server. There is no fair play. ESO is highly based on how you are skills fire up rather than player skill. That’s the main reason eso is not attracting high skilled players. I am good player in other games. My type speed is around 800 wpm. Faster I hit faster eso lags out and boots me. I have never faced this in any other games. Only thing some people doesn’t like oakensoul it’s level the playing field. It’s scares semi skilled players with inflated super complex.

WITHOUT oakensoul this game is long dead. Only few hundreds near eso servers will play the game. Server promity plays huge role in ESO. Zos need to nerf game speed and cooldowns in place so that so input lag. Then put 5 bars with 26 keys. I don’t care.

The current "official" Guinness World Record holder for fastest typist appears to still be Barbara Blackburn, whose peak speed was 212 wpm using a Dvorak layout.

TaSheen

Interesting. But I think you're the only one I've ever seen make statements like that.... Then again, I can't be bothered with streamers etc.

The game suits me fine. Hope I'll still be playing it alongside TES VI when it releases.

Priyasekarssk

CGPsaint wrote: »

The current "official" Guinness World Record holder for fastest typist appears to still be Barbara Blackburn, whose peak speed was 212 wpm using a Dvorak layout.

I meant to say 800 letters with 90 percent accuracy. Or 160 wpm. Almost 10 percent of people can have this numbers. Normally 5 characters considered a word. Again typing speed doesn’t correlate with IQ. It’s measure of mechanical and muscle memory. Point is on average people can hit 200 letters or 45 wpm. Almost all gamers hit above this number. It’s way more than ESO demands say 100 letters or 20 wpm. Add 100ms input lag this may be even lower. On ideal scenario an average joe can play all contents of eso provided time to practice with no desync in ESO. Barely 10 percent of people may have accessibility issues. But almost half plus using oakensoul. They clearly know the penalty and so this because of reliability. The second bar is clunky. It’s not lazy to bar swap. Bar is not swapping. Just cache all 12 skills in single bar , no bar swap. Make skills cooldown to level the playing field and no desyncs.

TaSheen

There's a large difference in stating wpm or lpm. Wpm is the standard reference. I myself, at my age (mid 70s) still type 120 wpm without errors.

And really, y'know - wpm has very little to do with playing this game. Writing books, however.... yeah, that's where it makes sense to discuss, as production of output translates to real world income.

Galeriano

I dont get all this bad ping argumentations. I have a poor internet connection, my ping is often very bad, I am desyncing and lagging. That never stopped me though from completing every HM and trifecta I was progressing and I was never behind with DPS in my groups. All this arguments about bad ping making it impossible to get enough DPS sounds like an escape goat.

I would never ask developer to make some special items for me just because of connection issues and if I would have so bad latency that I wouldn't be able to do anything purely because of that, than I wouldn't be spending time in ESO anymore.

TaSheen

But ESO IS fun, as long as I'm happy enough with what I CAN do (and truthfully, I have ZERO interest in group content - never going there again thankfully).

I love this game. Sure, high ping meant I needed to find some other way to "stay alive". And no, overland is NOT a walk in the park for me. I don't care whether you believe me or not - YOU are not sitting in my chair behind my keyboard, at mid 70s with aging reflexes PLUS high ping.

Let me know how it goes when you're my age, 'k?

Priyasekarssk

TaSheen wrote: »

There's a large difference in stating wpm or lpm. Wpm is the standard reference. I myself, at my age (mid 70s) still type 120 wpm without errors.

And really, y'know - wpm has very little to do with playing this game. Writing books, however.... yeah, that's where it makes sense to discuss, as production of output translates to real world income.

I agree. Many people here thinks so just because they don’t experience lag or desync. Reality is different. ESO cannot be made as an IQ or skill based game. It’s no way near competitive standards nor game balanced regarding that. It’s an rpg mmo. I don’t know why these fake pro’s destroying the game talking about skill as if they are the only one skilled. What skill or iq level needed to play eso? If these guys are really competitive play competitive pvp games and earn lot of money and fame rather than their inflated ego. ESO need to reduce speed to improve game reliability. Focus on mmo and rpg elements. If I press 5 skills and 1or2 skill doesn’t fire up and two light attacks desynced there is no point of skill here. Forget button pressing. It’s a waste of time to even talk about skill.
Just buff oakensoul for group play. By the time I almost convinced oakensoul is the reliable way to play eso.

TaSheen

Well, considering that I'm just playing solo (two reasons: first I just these days despise group content; second high ping means group content is making innocent people who would be grouped with me deal with 999+ ping on a regular basis, and I just won't go there) there's nothing I need to do to just continue to have fun my way.

There are definitely people who push the envelope in ESO. I give them a tip of the hat though I also shake my head - because to me, I don't see any fun in it.

And really, the only person I need to make happy is me. As long as I'm happy, I don't have to worry about anyone else.

Y'know.... someday, ESO's servers are going to go dark. What I will have left at that point is ALL THE FUN I'VE HAD in this game. 7 years now. That's a LOT of fun for a very minimal investment. I'll be happy with it forever.

Pixiepumpkin

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

There's a large difference in stating wpm or lpm. Wpm is the standard reference. I myself, at my age (mid 70s) still type 120 wpm without errors.

And really, y'know - wpm has very little to do with playing this game. Writing books, however.... yeah, that's where it makes sense to discuss, as production of output translates to real world income.

I agree. Many people here thinks so just because they don’t experience lag or desync. Reality is different. ESO cannot be made as an IQ or skill based game. It’s no way near competitive standards nor game balanced regarding that. It’s an rpg mmo. I don’t know why these fake pro’s destroying the game talking about skill as if they are the only one skilled. What skill or iq level needed to play eso? If these guys are really competitive play competitive pvp games and earn lot of money and fame rather than their inflated ego. ESO need to reduce speed to improve game reliability. Focus on mmo and rpg elements. If I press 5 skills and 1or2 skill doesn’t fire up and two light attacks desynced there is no point of skill here. Forget button pressing. It’s a waste of time to even talk about skill.
Just buff oakensoul for group play. By the time I almost convinced oakensoul is the reliable way to play eso.

100%

This is what happens when the game is developed to work on both PC and consoles (presumably to make more money with less investment by making one product that works on multiple platforms). Sadly, it means the game will suffer and never be allowed to reach its potential because the design gets spread thin trying to accomodate different user input methods.

ESO would have been so much more fun if we had 12 abilities on one bar if for any reason becasue bar swapping does not work well with high ping, yet 12 abilities on the same bar will suffer less.

This is why I love oakensoul (although I wish I had 7 or 8 abilities to use, I miss the ultiltiy) which is also why I think oakensoul should get its own armor slot. The kiss curse of oakensoul is already brought forward by not having 6 spells to use, no reason to also interrupt a set bonus.

moo_2021

CGPsaint wrote: »

That's a bit much. Oakensoul replaces the need to run skills for:

• Major Sorcery/Brutality
• Major Prophecy/Savagery
• Major Resolve
• Empower
• Minor Force
• Minor Berserk
• Minor Courage
• Minor Protection

That's 8 skill slots freed up. Even if you are getting Minor Courage and Minor Protection from the group, that's still 6 skill slots that are freed up.

Am I the only one who think ESO shouldn't have so many buffs that everyone keeps 100% up? What purpose do they serve today except to complicate everyone's rotations? might as well require everyone hit jump every 3 seconds.


Grant everyone Major Sorcery/Brutality, Major Prophecy/Savagery and Major Resolve. Less headaches, more active abilities, real backbar weapon (not buffing-only), no waste gold on potions.

Also Major / Minor Protection is garbage anyway.

Soarora

moo_2021 wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

That's a bit much. Oakensoul replaces the need to run skills for:

• Major Sorcery/Brutality
• Major Prophecy/Savagery
• Major Resolve
• Empower
• Minor Force
• Minor Berserk
• Minor Courage
• Minor Protection

That's 8 skill slots freed up. Even if you are getting Minor Courage and Minor Protection from the group, that's still 6 skill slots that are freed up.

Am I the only one who think ESO shouldn't have so many buffs that everyone keeps 100% up? What purpose do they serve today except to complicate everyone's rotations? might as well require everyone hit jump every 3 seconds.


Grant everyone Major Sorcery/Brutality, Major Prophecy/Savagery and Major Resolve. Less headaches, more active abilities, real backbar weapon (not buffing-only), no waste gold on potions.

Also Major / Minor Protection is garbage anyway.

I’d argue against giving everyone Major Resolve, that’s a buff wardens give the group and we do not need to be even more useless in groups.
I really think oakensoul should drop minor aegis. Aegis doesn’t affect overland and doesn’t belong on a dps so removing it would only affect instanced group (or solo arena) PvE HA build’s survivability, bringing them a little more in line with other builds.

Anyways, no I don’t think oakensoul shouldn’t count as a mythic. An exception to the rule makes the entire system confusing, let alone possible game balance problems (like running ddf and oakensoul).

LunaFlora

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

There's a large difference in stating wpm or lpm. Wpm is the standard reference. I myself, at my age (mid 70s) still type 120 wpm without errors.

And really, y'know - wpm has very little to do with playing this game. Writing books, however.... yeah, that's where it makes sense to discuss, as production of output translates to real world income.

I agree. Many people here thinks so just because they don’t experience lag or desync. Reality is different. ESO cannot be made as an IQ or skill based game. It’s no way near competitive standards nor game balanced regarding that. It’s an rpg mmo. I don’t know why these fake pro’s destroying the game talking about skill as if they are the only one skilled. What skill or iq level needed to play eso? If these guys are really competitive play competitive pvp games and earn lot of money and fame rather than their inflated ego. ESO need to reduce speed to improve game reliability. Focus on mmo and rpg elements. If I press 5 skills and 1or2 skill doesn’t fire up and two light attacks desynced there is no point of skill here. Forget button pressing. It’s a waste of time to even talk about skill.
Just buff oakensoul for group play. By the time I almost convinced oakensoul is the reliable way to play eso.

100%

This is what happens when the game is developed to work on both PC and consoles (presumably to make more money with less investment by making one product that works on multiple platforms). Sadly, it means the game will suffer and never be allowed to reach its potential because the design gets spread thin trying to accomodate different user input methods.

ESO would have been so much more fun if we had 12 abilities on one bar if for any reason becasue bar swapping does not work well with high ping, yet 12 abilities on the same bar will suffer less.

This is why I love oakensoul (although I wish I had 7 or 8 abilities to use, I miss the ultiltiy) which is also why I think oakensoul should get its own armor slot. The kiss curse of oakensoul is already brought forward by not having 6 spells to use, no reason to also interrupt a set bonus.

what are you referring to with different user inputs?
gamepads/controllers?

if yes then that makes no sense as lots of people use that on pc too.

Pixiepumpkin

LunaFlora wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

There's a large difference in stating wpm or lpm. Wpm is the standard reference. I myself, at my age (mid 70s) still type 120 wpm without errors.

And really, y'know - wpm has very little to do with playing this game. Writing books, however.... yeah, that's where it makes sense to discuss, as production of output translates to real world income.

I agree. Many people here thinks so just because they don’t experience lag or desync. Reality is different. ESO cannot be made as an IQ or skill based game. It’s no way near competitive standards nor game balanced regarding that. It’s an rpg mmo. I don’t know why these fake pro’s destroying the game talking about skill as if they are the only one skilled. What skill or iq level needed to play eso? If these guys are really competitive play competitive pvp games and earn lot of money and fame rather than their inflated ego. ESO need to reduce speed to improve game reliability. Focus on mmo and rpg elements. If I press 5 skills and 1or2 skill doesn’t fire up and two light attacks desynced there is no point of skill here. Forget button pressing. It’s a waste of time to even talk about skill.
Just buff oakensoul for group play. By the time I almost convinced oakensoul is the reliable way to play eso.

100%

This is what happens when the game is developed to work on both PC and consoles (presumably to make more money with less investment by making one product that works on multiple platforms). Sadly, it means the game will suffer and never be allowed to reach its potential because the design gets spread thin trying to accomodate different user input methods.

ESO would have been so much more fun if we had 12 abilities on one bar if for any reason becasue bar swapping does not work well with high ping, yet 12 abilities on the same bar will suffer less.

This is why I love oakensoul (although I wish I had 7 or 8 abilities to use, I miss the ultiltiy) which is also why I think oakensoul should get its own armor slot. The kiss curse of oakensoul is already brought forward by not having 6 spells to use, no reason to also interrupt a set bonus.

what are you referring to with different user inputs?
gamepads/controllers?

if yes then that makes no sense as lots of people use that on pc too.

But if the game was made for PC only, like WOW, SWTOR, etc then the UI would reflect that and a controller would be limiting.

moo_2021

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

But if the game was made for PC only, like WOW, SWTOR, etc then the UI would reflect that and a controller would be limiting.

oak ring fits controller on pc very well.


It's very laid back, and don't need delicate touch like keyboard + mouse. I use a chatpad attached to the controller for many functions such as jumping, zoom and UI, while everything on controller are combat related.

LunaFlora

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

There's a large difference in stating wpm or lpm. Wpm is the standard reference. I myself, at my age (mid 70s) still type 120 wpm without errors.

And really, y'know - wpm has very little to do with playing this game. Writing books, however.... yeah, that's where it makes sense to discuss, as production of output translates to real world income.

I agree. Many people here thinks so just because they don’t experience lag or desync. Reality is different. ESO cannot be made as an IQ or skill based game. It’s no way near competitive standards nor game balanced regarding that. It’s an rpg mmo. I don’t know why these fake pro’s destroying the game talking about skill as if they are the only one skilled. What skill or iq level needed to play eso? If these guys are really competitive play competitive pvp games and earn lot of money and fame rather than their inflated ego. ESO need to reduce speed to improve game reliability. Focus on mmo and rpg elements. If I press 5 skills and 1or2 skill doesn’t fire up and two light attacks desynced there is no point of skill here. Forget button pressing. It’s a waste of time to even talk about skill.
Just buff oakensoul for group play. By the time I almost convinced oakensoul is the reliable way to play eso.

100%

This is what happens when the game is developed to work on both PC and consoles (presumably to make more money with less investment by making one product that works on multiple platforms). Sadly, it means the game will suffer and never be allowed to reach its potential because the design gets spread thin trying to accomodate different user input methods.

ESO would have been so much more fun if we had 12 abilities on one bar if for any reason becasue bar swapping does not work well with high ping, yet 12 abilities on the same bar will suffer less.

This is why I love oakensoul (although I wish I had 7 or 8 abilities to use, I miss the ultiltiy) which is also why I think oakensoul should get its own armor slot. The kiss curse of oakensoul is already brought forward by not having 6 spells to use, no reason to also interrupt a set bonus.

what are you referring to with different user inputs?
gamepads/controllers?

if yes then that makes no sense as lots of people use that on pc too.

But if the game was made for PC only, like WOW, SWTOR, etc then the UI would reflect that and a controller would be limiting.

a controller is more accessible for me, a disabled person, so i use it on pc.

and i primarily play on PlayStation and am very happy eso isn't a pc exclusive like nearly every other mmo.

Priyasekarssk

Galeriano wrote: »

I dont get all this bad ping argumentations. I have a poor internet connection, my ping is often very bad, I am desyncing and lagging. That never stopped me though from completing every HM and trifecta I was progressing and I was never behind with DPS in my groups. All this arguments about bad ping making it impossible to get enough DPS sounds like an escape goat.

I would never ask developer to make some special items for me just because of connection issues and if I would have so bad latency that I wouldn't be able to do anything purely because of that, than I wouldn't be spending time in ESO anymore.

Many have nearly 20 to 30 percent dps difference. And life and death. I can’t believe one word said. No way anyone can do same dps when 1-2 skills don’t fire up every rotation. Forget light attack desync . Please don’t expect a reply. I have 1 GB internet. I have good pc. Second there is huge difference in getting flawless conqueror and dying repeatedly when server lagging. My advice to people here don’t try difficult content when serve is lagging. Also , average internet way up in America. And average gamer can hit way above typing eso needs. It’s problem with game design with mega servers rather federated servers similar to other games are using. Add bar swap on top it which no games uses. When server lags bar get locked.
Some people want to enjoy the advantages they are having rather than real skill. This only going to kill the game. No one likes pvp in this game because it provides huge advantages for some people . Only argument is these people have is doing personal attacks as if they are only people skilled in typing when average gamers can hit way higher than 200 LPM. Second argument is against user internet when average ping in USA is below 100 ms. Everybody has spent some money and time on this game. But just ask people to leave as if people don’t have skill to play ESO . No need to ask. Huge chunk of people will leave.

WITHOUT OAKENSOUL THIS GAME WOULD HAVE DEAD LONG BEFORE.

Just remove bar swap. Have 12 skills on single bar and cache it .

moo_2021

Galeriano wrote: »

I would never ask developer to make some special items for me just because of connection issues and if I would have so bad latency that I wouldn't be able to do anything purely because of that, than I wouldn't be spending time in ESO anymore.

Not just for "me" or a small group of people.

1. A non-mythic ring would benefit for all less skillful players, or anyone who doesn't want bar swapping in combat. My ping is below 100 but bar swapping still unreliable. Hitting wrong skill in PvP could mean instant death.
2. Or, just give all buffs that 99% of players keep 100% uptime. We can argue about details but my point is that if there is some buff everyone keeps in certain activities (pvp or pve), there is no point to make it manual. Why not leave us more slots for real abilities? Many backbar slots are wasted instead of serving as alternative combat abilities or utilities for special occasions.

LouisaB75

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

i also wanna stack mythics. no nerfs tho.

Wouldn't we all?

Oakensoul, Pale Order and Velothi and I would be all set.

Priyasekarssk

LouisaB75 wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

i also wanna stack mythics. no nerfs tho.

Wouldn't we all?

Oakensoul, Pale Order and Velothi and I would be all set.

My take would be buff oakensoul for group play. It has zero impact on group play especially support. All buffs are redundant. Also give empower to light attacks as well for monsters. Don’t lock oakensoul into ha builds. All weapons should be viable. Not just light staff.
Or remove bars completely. Just one single bar with all 12 skills cached. No backbar. No one have patience in hitting skills multiple times.


Please give the person who came up with this idea with big raise . He is real savior of the game from death.

Pixiepumpkin

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

LouisaB75 wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

i also wanna stack mythics. no nerfs tho.

Wouldn't we all?

Oakensoul, Pale Order and Velothi and I would be all set.

My take would be buff oakensoul for group play. It has zero impact on group play especially support. All buffs are redundant. Also give empower to light attacks as well for monsters. Don’t lock oakensoul into ha builds. All weapons should be viable. Not just light staff.
Or remove bars completely. Just one single bar with all 12 skills cached. No backbar. No one have patience in hitting skills multiple times.


Please give the person who came up with this idea with big raise . He is real savior of the game from death.

I agree that we should have one big bar, but the game was designed to work with console (controllers/limited buttons) as well as PC. This is why the interface is made the way it is. Zenimax wanted to capitalize on as many platforms as they could with one investment. The downside is that generally when a product is made that has multiple uses, it performs all those uses in a mediocre fashion. PC is hamstrung because of the game also being made to play with controllers.

But not just that, the design/balance of the game revolves around that back bar/bar swapping so as much as I'd like a one bar solution like WOW or SWTOR, it could never happen in ESO.