ESO End Game Community… What is End Game?

Pixiepumpkin

I don't really think of ESO as having an "end game", it feems more like you put effort towards what is the most fun for you.

For myserlf that is:

• Having builds that let me be self sufficient in overland (regarding world bosses).
• Housing, I LOVE housing, but its a love hate for me. There are so many way housing could be better in this game at little to no cost to ZOS that it frustrates me.
• Character customization, which ties into housing.
• I like group finder trials.
• I wish the guild trader system was augmented with a central auction house for "trash" items like low tier recipies, intriquite armor, cheap motifs, cheap furniture patterns, etc. Basically a way to list low cost items for new/poor players without using up precious guild trader slots.

Rasande_Robin

Fashion, endgame is all about fashion.

Elsonso

Vaughndaunted wrote: »

What do you consider end game?

Daily rewards #21 and later.

Reginald_leBlem

Housing is the ultimate endgame, because to truly master housing, you must master every other aspect of the game.

KlauthWarthog

I do not really have a goal in this game, so for me there is no end game here.
I jump into PvP when I am in the mood, and I join a trap pug veteran trial run when I am in the mood.

Reginald_leBlem

-- Once you start getting into housing, you start to realize the sheer cost of the materials, lux furnishings, plans, etc, and best ways to make in-game gold is either selling carries or via a trading guild (or both), requiring at least some degree of social interaction

-- MANY houses and furnishings are locked behind achievements, which can be anything from fetch quests to trial hardmodes to pvp

--- many furnishings are locked behind Antiquities, and again, leads can be from anywhere

-- there are furnishings locked behind ToT

-- even fishing has an achievement furnishing

Housing is the true endgame, because to excell at housing means you must excell everywhere.

Syldras

Reginald_leBlem wrote: »

-- Once you start getting into housing, you start to realize the sheer cost of the materials, lux furnishings, plans, etc, and best ways to make in-game gold is either selling carries or via a trading guild (or both), requiring at least some degree of social interaction
-- MANY houses and furnishings are locked behind achievements, which can be anything from fetch quests to trial hardmodes to pvp
--- many furnishings are locked behind Antiquities, and again, leads can be from anywhere
-- there are furnishings locked behind ToT
-- even fishing has an achievement furnishing
Housing is the true endgame, because to excell at housing means you must excell everywhere.

To me personally, a big part of it rather feels like a question of patience (or if people wanted to put it negatively, it could also be called a time sink) than a question of "excelling". Of course I see how skill plays a role when it comes to dungeons and trials (although even then people could use a group to be carried - I know people who do it, and it's fine to me), but when it comes to most antiquities... Let's say: My thought normally isn't "this is too difficult" but "do I really have enough time and inclination now to run in circles for maybe 2 hours until the lead drops?" Same sentiment about fishing. Then of course, I don't need every single piece of furniture available, but only what fits the vision I have in mind for a house/plot. Call me lazy, but if the lead for super-special-item-#129 is locked behind an activity I don't enjoy much, and it doesn't drop after a few attempts, sometimes I just give up and search for something else that looks more or less similar, or change my concept a little.

About trading guilds, btw: I've been in several bigger ones (with traders in Mournhold, Vivec and near Belkarth) and (obligational) social interaction was minimal to none. In many cases, the only interaction was writing a short application (content: I'd like to join, I have read your rules and know of your weekly sales minimum, I know I can meet that by selling x), getting a wordless invitation, accepting it, and that's it. No interaction ever again. Of course, most guilds also have an active chat, a guild house, make contests once in a while - but there's no obligation for people who don't like or need it. I have read in this forum several times that some people are hesitant because they think it requires a lot of social interaction to join a trading guild - it really doesn't, believe me.

SaffronCitrusflower

Cyrodiil PvP and vet trials are the end game for PvP and PvE respectively.

Housing can't be considered end game because there is no competition involved. It's like playing solitaire.

Syldras

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

Cyrodiil PvP and vet trials are the end game for PvP and PvE respectively.
Housing can't be considered end game because there is no competition involved. It's like playing solitaire.

Is there even an official definion of the term "endgame"? I have no clue, but from many replies I see, competition doesn't really seem to be understood as a part of it.

SaffronCitrusflower

Syldras wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

Cyrodiil PvP and vet trials are the end game for PvP and PvE respectively.
Housing can't be considered end game because there is no competition involved. It's like playing solitaire.

Is there even an official definion of the term "endgame"? I have no clue, but from many replies I see, competition doesn't really seem to be understood as a part of it.

End game is determined by the skill it takes to participate in and complete the content.

Syldras

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

End game is determined by the skill it takes to participate in and complete the content.

Where is the competition aspect you mentioned?

MorganaBlue

Endgame is score pushing and trifectas.
You have to be able to say you've done both before you can qualify fashion and housing as endgame.

Soarora

Syldras wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

Cyrodiil PvP and vet trials are the end game for PvP and PvE respectively.
Housing can't be considered end game because there is no competition involved. It's like playing solitaire.

Is there even an official definion of the term "endgame"? I have no clue, but from many replies I see, competition doesn't really seem to be understood as a part of it.

Just looking it up across mmorpg forums it means “content you do when you’re max level”. For ESO I guess that’d be the level where your CP is enough to unlock passives and 4 stars per constellation.
With that definition in mind, I don’t think gear crafting or fishing or even vet content is endgame because two of those just require cp 160 and one has no level requirement at all.
One could argue housing doesn’t fit into this definition either but I do know in order to get the pretty dragon statues you need 2/3 HMs in SS so…

freespirit

Been here 10 years and I have no idea what endgame is......

All I know for sure is I haven't reached it yet!!

Gray_howling_parrot

Achievements and completionism

Syldras

Soarora wrote: »

Just looking it up across mmorpg forums it means “content you do when you’re max level”

That sounds very much like "whatever someone is interested in", to be honest

Then again, I never understood the need to label everything. So I have no clue what "endgame" means, because I don't care for defining it - I just do what I feel like doing with my high-cp characters, and other people do what they want with theirs, I don't see a point in arguing.

The only thing I personally find interesting about these threads is that I have the impression that there are many completely different ideas people have for the term.

ClowdyAllDay

true end game is twofold. either playing without eso plus and using guild bank space to manage inventory

or

hanging out in forums talking about playing.

KiltMaster

End game is whatever you want it to be. PVP, hardcore PVE, fashion, housing, being a GM, RP, etc.

Syldras

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

hanging out in forums talking about playing.

You mean forum PvP?

sarahthes

Definitely trial trifectas and scorepushing, with an honourable mention for 4man trifectas.

Brakkish

ESO Fashion and zone chat.

Warhawke_80

It's a MMO...there is no end game.


By saying "End game" Or "Elder game " your creating a false narrative that some content is better ergo the people doing said content are better.

In reality it's all just content and at the end of the day none of it really matters one way or the other...it is just a way to occupy ones time.

Melivar

ESO has many options for End Game. While most MMO's end game is pretty much just Trials/Raids or some combination of Modified difficulty in content. I would say ESO has at least 5 of which Hard Mode PVP content is the smallest % player wise.

In No Particular order as to each their own

PVE Hard Modes- Trials/Dungeons with Trifectas being the highest of the high (Can be achieved by just enough in game gold)
PVP-Cyro or BG's both have their own primary crowds.
Housing- Which can require other options of end game or lots of in game and potentially out of game gold/cash
Trading/Guild Stores-To some simply having the flushest cash account is king.
Achievements- Can encompass everything but even without High End Trails can be very time consuming.
Fashion Scrolls/Mounts-Could be better for the masses if more pretty things were available via in game things and stuff.

I participate in all of the above to some extent with Housing and Trading currently the least active

Lumsdenml

PVP. It's the original endgame.

Palumtra

I taunt thinghs and others kill it.

boi_anachronism_

I mean its different for everyone. Some folks its clearing every zone 100%. Some its housing or fashion. Some its achievements. There was a players who posted some pics of their 100% completion of achievements not too long ago. For me personally it trials. Hms and trifectas. A lot of people are averse to that because of toxicity in 12 man, its gets a bad rap. If thats not for you thats totally ok but it does kinda make me sad if people dont participate simply because they are afraid of that. Its really about finding the right one. For me it couldnt be further from the truth. One night the lead from one of my groups that ive run a bunch of content and had a ton of clears told me half joking not to leave after we got our big ones (we are actually starting hurricane herald). I told her we could read the phone book and i still wouldnt leave which is the gods honest truth. Its just such an awesome group and we have such a great time together.

WiseSky

Enjoying the Journey is my End game

carthalis

questing, alts, achievements, collections, housing, antiquities, events

NeuroticPixels

AzuraFan wrote: »

Collecting stuff: antiquities, lore books, achievements, collections, sticker book.

This. Plus, gearing alts and leveling their professions.

DreamyLu

For me, end game is "hard" stuff like vet dungeon, trials and such. Those activities need "high" level equipment to be better managed, what happens after we have much progressed and completed in game, so toward "end" of the game.

I personally don't categorize housing as end game. It's an activity like fishing, crafting, trading and such, as in without fighting, that we can start very early in game.