I am offended!!!

loosej · January 30

Like others have pointed out, I don't think you should see this set as a counter to Oakensoul users specifically. People who run two bars also have a lot of major/minor buffs, what Oakensoul does is remove the need to keep them up yourself.

What it could be is a counter to never ending fights against tank trolls and organized groups, and I'm all for it.

Auldwulfe · January 30

I will admit, I use Oakensoul... but, I am also old enough to have been an adult when Arena was released... and have been an Elder Scrolls fan, since then.

However, I am not worried -- it's a light set, they don't get used as much - and if I get hit by someone with it... oh well.
I have arthritis in my hands, and can no longer beat keys like an amphetamine soaked circus monkey ...... so I deal with what I can.

Thing is, this will work on any person who is benefiting from group buffs, as well... and with the ease of hitting penetration cap, etc.... a person would have to build low pen elsewhere, to benefit from this... being now vulnerable in the tank meta... or waste a lot of it, meaning, that in most play, it's about as powerful as The Witch-Knight's Defiance from The Reach... which has the advantage of being a medium set. Especially if you pair that with some of the poison arrow bow skills.

If it does become prevalent, I can easily switch off to NB builds with bows, poison, and proc sets --- double down into poisons, and never let you get close enough to matter. I have access to escapist and brutality draining poisons... as does everyone else.... those are great, too.

Auldwulfe

Galeriano · January 30

jtm1018 wrote: »

Oakenfathers retribution is a big disrepect to oakensoul user!!!
Seriously pissed off bigtime.
I mean, you dont want me cursing and dropping f bombs in your forum, but damn!!!
I dont want to banned in the forums, but damn it, your just making it so very hard.

It's irony to be offended by arrival of yet another easy to use set that is meant to lower the amount of attention paid to the combat while oakensoul belongs to the same group.

Pixiepumpkin · January 30

Galeriano wrote: »

jtm1018 wrote: »

Oakenfathers retribution is a big disrepect to oakensoul user!!!
Seriously pissed off bigtime.
I mean, you dont want me cursing and dropping f bombs in your forum, but damn!!!
I dont want to banned in the forums, but damn it, your just making it so very hard.

It's irony to be offended by arrival of yet another easy to use set that is meant to lower the amount of attention paid to the combat while oakensoul belongs to the same group.

Not even remotely. They serve two completely different functions.

Oakensoul allows for players who have low ping/arthritis/slow reflexes (due to age) to still be SOMEWHAT competitive. This set nullifies the oakensoul player in the PVP setting.

Kavreiss · January 30

oaken this oaken that. i use no mythics as i dont scry

BUT

i do like using jorvulds on my healer which buffs the buffs and would only make matter worse

Jorvuld's Guidance
LEVEL 50 - CP 160
ESO-Hub.com
Type Dungeon
ArmorSet bonus
(2 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(3 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(4 items) Adds 4% Healing Done
(5 items) While in combat, increases the duration of all Major buffs, Minor buffs, and damage shields you apply to yourself and allies by 40%.

if you were using this as a healer in pvp you certainly dont want to use it now.

Artim_X · January 30

There should be soft and hard counters to every playstyle.

Elvenheart · January 30

Well, obviously The Oakenfather was offended too by all the people using parts of his soul, and THIS is what happened!

BlueRaven · January 30

Just the naming of the set is an implication of what the designers were targeting when they designed it. It’s another anti-1 bar build nerf, this time just for PvP.

So, if zos wants to discourage players from PvP, then fine. But it just seems weird zos keeps saying they want more players involved in end game activities, and then take actions that actively discourage players from participating in those activities.

SpacemanSpiff1 · January 30

BlueRaven wrote: »

Just the naming of the set is an implication of what the designers were targeting when they designed it. It’s another anti-1 bar build nerf, this time just for PvP.

So, if zos wants to discourage players from PvP, then fine. But it just seems weird zos keeps saying they want more players involved in end game activities, and then take actions that actively discourage players from participating in those activities.

that certainly is a theory.

derkaiserliche · January 30

Would you guys say this is a proc set or could count for no proc cyro?

In no proc / no cp cyro oaksoul is a still a top tier mythic and this would be a huge counter to the users.

Palumtra · January 30

"They will find the ring, and kill it's bearer."

Tyrant_Tim · January 30

Soarora wrote: »

It didn’t read “anti-oakensoul set” to me honestly.

“Oakenfather’s Retribution”

The set’s 5th piece literally reads; Oakendaddy coming to put Oakensoul in timeout.

CameraBeardThePirate · January 30

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Galeriano wrote: »

jtm1018 wrote: »

Oakenfathers retribution is a big disrepect to oakensoul user!!!
Seriously pissed off bigtime.
I mean, you dont want me cursing and dropping f bombs in your forum, but damn!!!
I dont want to banned in the forums, but damn it, your just making it so very hard.

It's irony to be offended by arrival of yet another easy to use set that is meant to lower the amount of attention paid to the combat while oakensoul belongs to the same group.

Not even remotely. They serve two completely different functions.

Oakensoul allows for players who have low ping/arthritis/slow reflexes (due to age) to still be SOMEWHAT competitive. This set nullifies the oakensoul player in the PVP setting.

This doesn't nullify Oakensoul though. The set is just as effective on non-oaken users. Oakensoul's 5 major and 10 minor isn't any more buffs than an average 2-bar PvPer - especially if that player is in a group.

My SOLO 2 bar build has 8 Major buffs and 7 (sometimes 8) minor buffs. Those numbers only go up in a group.

In fact, the set is most effective against 2-bar coordinated group compositions.

Tyrant_Tim · January 30

@CameraBeardThePirate it’s more the play on words with the naming of the set. 😂

moo_2021 · January 30

Hapexamendios wrote: »

So I have a question for PvPers:

Is the Oakensoul prevalent enough to make you want to give up one of your current sets for this one?

against newbies like myself? I don't need to waste a set for that.

freespirit · January 30

My PVP main doesn't use Oakensoul in PVP but when she does PVE she does, so the new set won't bother me too much,

Have to admit there has got to be a Dev giggling maniacally to himself somewhere.... absolutely made up that they went with his obviously "baiting" set name!!

DrNukenstein · January 30

Consider how many players have nearly every major and minor on them at any given time. Not just oaken soul users, standard 2 bar builds. We keep our buffs up all the time too, we just push buttons for them.

This set is awesome, one of the greatest ideas for a set they've had in a long time. In any PVP environment you can count on any player that would give you trouble having their buffs up, then in a fight with supports it gets even more value.

The game needs more of this. It's like a combination of what made nocturnals ploy and shell splitter good ideas, but it's actually a 100% good idea. Huge potential as a front bar set for stat builds, or on the body set for proc builds.

Nihilr · January 30

Just told the husband. He will be quitting PvP. He likes making his builds revolve around Oakensoul because he doesn't group up often to get those buffs, nor does he like to have 2 bars of abilities to swap between to get those buffs.

Looks like Zerg/ball builds are back in this year. Despite the need for abilities to stop stacking (same name buffs/debuffs don't stack, so why should abilities?).

Edit: I'm keeping my Oakensoul and I rarely ever play PvP anyway. *shrug*

Elvenheart · January 30

I think it would be really interesting if two Oakensoul players with identical setups EXCEPT one substituting in this new set were to duel to see just how much difference it actually makes.

ArchMikem · January 30

LunaFlora wrote: »

yea it will make me want to go to Cyrodiil and imperial city even less.

the set
Light Armor – Oakfather’s Retribution
2 – Adds 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
3 – Adds 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
4 – Adds 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
5 – Gain 449 Offensive Penetration against enemies for each Major Buff they have active. Gain 20 Weapon and Spell Damage against enemies for each Minor Buff they have active.

against Oakensoul that would be 449 times 5 so 2245 extra Penetration.
and 10 minor buffs so 200 extra Weapon and Spell Damage which makes the total weapon and spell Damage of the set 587.
definitely not great for us Oakensoul users.

Heh, nice. Finally people have a counter to the Heavy Attack Pet Sorc melters.

Really though, you won't find many people giving up part if their builds for this. Oakensoul Heavies are annoying, but not common in PvP. That is unless they find a new META that goes well with this, then at that point almost everyone will wear it and everyone, not just Oakensouls will suffer.

DrNukenstein · January 30

Nihilr wrote: »

Just told the husband. He will be quitting PvP. He likes making his builds revolve around Oakensoul because he doesn't group up often to get those buffs, nor does he like to have 2 bars of abilities to swap between to get those buffs.

Pour one out for the homie that is a 1-bar player 1st, PVPer second.

Reverb · January 30

This has widespread impact beyond Oakensoul, which honestly isn’t even used much in pvp.

Looking at my Templar for example, standing completely naked and unarmed I have the following permanent buffs from class, race, and skill line passives:

- Minor Intellect
- Minor Fortitude
- Minor Endurance
- Major Gallop

So +449 pen and +60 dmg against me for simple existing. Casting my Focus adds 2 majors and a minor. In fact, casting any class skills at all adds to the list. This is a scenario that plays out against every class, some far more than others.

I wish there was more pvp participation on PTS because I’m interested in seeing how this set plays out. In particular I think this might be great for bombing.

Rowjoh · January 30

Not sure what the fuss is all about.

Titanborn Strength Set has been around for years and is way more powerful especially if synergising with some Vampire skills, notably Simmering Frenzy!

(2 items) Adds 1487 Offensive Penetration
(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(5 items) Adds 110 Weapon and Spell Damage and 1240 Offensive Penetration.
This bonus doubles to 220 Weapon and Spell Damage and 2480 Offensive Penetration when you are under 75% Health.
This bonus quadruples to 440 Weapon and Spell Damage and 4960 Offensive Penetration when you are under 50% Health.

Vampire Skill - Simmering Frenzy: Go into a blood frenzy, increasing your Weapon and Spell Damage by 80 every 2 seconds, up to 5 times. While toggled on, the Health cost of this ability increases by 360 per stack.

Takes a bit of practice and skill to manage the health deficiency and timing, so def not for 'casuals', but when mastered you melt people, Oakensoul or not!

SandandStars · January 31

Bait and switch. Ya know?

katanagirl1 · January 31

Hapexamendios wrote: »

So I have a question for PvPers:

Is the Oakensoul prevalent enough to make you want to give up one of your current sets for this one?

No. I don’t see a lot of Oakensoul users in Cyrodiil, but it is irritating to see atronach skills on your death recap along with a bunch of other player skills. It’s like a cheap shot.

Ardriel · January 31

This set is pure cynicism..

RoxyPhoenix · January 31

it's a good stat set nothing more. Heavily depends on ur target and remember, ur target will not stay in place to see how much dmg u can do to him. If u have access to all the major and minor buffs ur already so stacked with defense and healing and damage that this set won't hurt you in any way.

Braffin · January 31

Baffling, that some oakensoul users seemingly think nobody but themselves is using major and minor buffs.

fizl101 · January 31

Braffin wrote: »

Baffling, that some oakensoul users seemingly think nobody but themselves is using major and minor buffs.

Yup! As an Oaken and non Oaken player I was thinking more about breaking cracks into ball groups (not that I'm some uber PVPer lol)

Roztlin45 · January 31

Several sets allows for way more pen than this, it's the combo with weapon dmg that put this set over the top. Ie : Stuhn's Favor