Not happy with the new daedric prince

FelisCatus · January 20

Northwold wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Northwold wrote: »

I just hope it's handled with discipline. Too often the daedric princes have been used as deus ex machinas that can do whatever the plot requires, which cheapens the storytelling.

They can be great. Or they can be one of the biggest weakness of Elder Scrolls lore, in my opinion, depending on whether the writing makes sure to treat them as complex characters. Great = Meridia for being multifaceted. Weak = Molag Bal for being one-note pantomime villain.

Don't forget how nearly every zone has a cult which is [snip] as it's used as a Deus Ex Machina constantly.

Honestly, I'd much rather less focus on the daedric princes etc than more. I used Meridia as an example as she is more or less the *only* Prince I can think of other than Sheogorath who acts consistently with her character (haven't played Necrom yet) and has any depth. And unlike Sheogorath, she's not so over-used that she's become insufferable.

Molag Bal is just plain boring. He's really really evil, always wants to destroy the world, and never, ever wins. Zzz.

Well remember when they said High Isle wouldn't be about supernatural ending of the world and it'd be more about political intrigue and then it turned out yep nope it's just about more cults and the possible end of the world through supernatural means.

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Ragnarok0130 · January 20

Kendaric wrote: »

I hope we get to banish her eventually and never have to deal with her again, the established daedric princes are already enough. She is/was interesting in concept, but I'm not interested in yet another daedric prince.

And the last thing I want is to see her added to the older TES games retroactively or appear in TES 6.

I think this is the most likely course of action given how OP her power set would be.

Thevampirenight · January 20

I do hope she ends up interesting, it depends on how they did the prince. Many may come to like her. We will have to see really. I hope its not a one chapter character that gets yeeted back into non existence.

Syldras · January 20

In general, I have nothing against them adding a new Daedric Prince - it was never defined in lore that there couldn't be more than people knew of so far. Also, the story will most probably be about banning Ithelia again, so after the chapter things will return to normal anyway. The only thing that makes me sceptical is whether Ithelia will actually be interesting. What I've seen so far was rather bland.

Elsonso wrote: »

Actually, they said it was a "continuation" of the story. Given where the Necrom story left off, I would not have assumed that it was self contained.

They did say it was the beginning of a story arc in the Necrom reveal stream one years ago, so this is what many people expected. Who didn''t finish Necrom before the Gold Road reveal could of course not know that Necrom's story is a cliffhanger and the next chapter will start where Necroms ends.

FelisCatus wrote: »

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I never knew Britney Spears was black.

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FelisCatus · January 20

Syldras wrote: »

In general, I have nothing against them adding a new Daedric Prince - it was never defined in lore that there couldn't be more than people knew of so far. Also, the story will most probably be about banning Ithelia again, so after the chapter things will return to normal anyway. The only thing that makes me sceptical is whether Ithelia will actually be interesting. What I've seen so far was rather bland.

Elsonso wrote: »

Actually, they said it was a "continuation" of the story. Given where the Necrom story left off, I would not have assumed that it was self contained.

They did say it was the beginning of a story arc in the Necrom reveal stream one years ago, so this is what many people expected. Who didn''t finish Necrom before the Gold Road reveal could of course not know that Necrom's story is a cliffhanger and the next chapter will start where Necroms ends.

FelisCatus wrote: »

[snip]

I never knew Britney Spears was black.

She looks more like a League of Legends character than an Elder Scrolls character.

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Eporem · January 20

FelisCatus wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

In general, I have nothing against them adding a new Daedric Prince - it was never defined in lore that there couldn't be more than people knew of so far. Also, the story will most probably be about banning Ithelia again, so after the chapter things will return to normal anyway. The only thing that makes me sceptical is whether Ithelia will actually be interesting. What I've seen so far was rather bland.

Elsonso wrote: »

Actually, they said it was a "continuation" of the story. Given where the Necrom story left off, I would not have assumed that it was self contained.

They did say it was the beginning of a story arc in the Necrom reveal stream one years ago, so this is what many people expected. Who didn''t finish Necrom before the Gold Road reveal could of course not know that Necrom's story is a cliffhanger and the next chapter will start where Necroms ends.

FelisCatus wrote: »

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I never knew Britney Spears was black.

She looks more like a League of Legends character than an Elder Scrolls character.

This second image - the one with the hood - looks like to me someone that might have ancestral ties to Yokudan - I think though her to be a Scion of Ithelia

not the Prince Ithelia

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colossalvoids · January 20

Eporem wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

In general, I have nothing against them adding a new Daedric Prince - it was never defined in lore that there couldn't be more than people knew of so far. Also, the story will most probably be about banning Ithelia again, so after the chapter things will return to normal anyway. The only thing that makes me sceptical is whether Ithelia will actually be interesting. What I've seen so far was rather bland.

Elsonso wrote: »

Actually, they said it was a "continuation" of the story. Given where the Necrom story left off, I would not have assumed that it was self contained.

They did say it was the beginning of a story arc in the Necrom reveal stream one years ago, so this is what many people expected. Who didn''t finish Necrom before the Gold Road reveal could of course not know that Necrom's story is a cliffhanger and the next chapter will start where Necroms ends.

FelisCatus wrote: »

[snip]

I never knew Britney Spears was black.

She looks more like a League of Legends character than an Elder Scrolls character.

This second image - the one with the hood - looks like to me someone that might have ancestral ties to Yokudan - I think though her to be a Scion of Ithelia not the Prince Ithelia

Looks like ESO nocturnal to me (I know it's not her)

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Syldras · January 20

Her face and hair are probably obscured by her hood and look darker because of that. In the lower part of the picture the hair looks a bit blond (although I'm not sure if it's only due to that yellow lighting). The blue eyes stand out, too. And then there's the statue is supposed to be her - there she just looks like a blonde, blue-eyed, white, a bit tan, young woman. I don't think if she was supposed to look Yokudan, the statue would look like this. Or it turned out even worse than I already thought!

ADarklore · January 21

Well, I'm fine with her. And as far as 'banishing' her, I'm thinking more along the lines is that... since she starts out having amnesia, that when she regains her memories, we'll probably end up getting her to agree to give up her memories again- so she, and the world, forget her again. That way she can continue to exist in the world, just as a plain human. I like the happy endings versus, "we're going to stick you back in limbo forever" type of ending. I'm sure the story will make us sympathize with her, so at the end, a solution of banishing her again would seem unfair.

ClowdyAllDay · January 21

1 would rather 10 of her than a single arcanist.

ClowdyAllDay · January 21

What if that isn't ithelia but the human who hosts her and ithelia is a parasite?

Kendaric · January 21

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

What if that isn't ithelia but the human who hosts her and ithelia is a parasite?

ESO: Stargate

Anumaril · January 21

Not a fan of ESO just introducing a whole new Daedric Prince out of the blue. That should either be left to the main series, or just not done at all.

Like others have said, I really hope that at the end of the storyline we banish/destroy her in some way so that the lore remains consistent in later titles.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · January 21

ArchMikem wrote: »

And to clarify, Herma Mora's reach into "Fate", is again, only informational. He knows everything that's happened and everything that could happen. He's the Prince of Fate as in he knows what your Fate is, or could be.

We see him cleaning up unused fate threads in one of the Necrom quests.

francesinhalover · January 21

Shes beautiful, cant wait to play the story on new expansion

Seraphayel · January 21

Anumaril wrote: »

Not a fan of ESO just introducing a whole new Daedric Prince out of the blue. That should either be left to the main series, or just not done at all.

Like others have said, I really hope that at the end of the storyline we banish/destroy her in some way so that the lore remains consistent in later titles.

ESO has contributed more lore than the main series in this millennium, I have no idea why players are so appalled by ESO lore. ESO is cannon and not a better or worse place to tell Elder Scrolls lore than a mainline game.

TaSheen · January 21

Anumaril wrote: »

Not a fan of ESO just introducing a whole new Daedric Prince out of the blue. That should either be left to the main series, or just not done at all.

Like others have said, I really hope that at the end of the storyline we banish/destroy her in some way so that the lore remains consistent in later titles.

Rich stated that Bethesda assisted in her creation and also said he was grateful for that assistance.

Elsonso · January 21

Seraphayel wrote: »

Anumaril wrote: »

Not a fan of ESO just introducing a whole new Daedric Prince out of the blue. That should either be left to the main series, or just not done at all.

Like others have said, I really hope that at the end of the storyline we banish/destroy her in some way so that the lore remains consistent in later titles.

ESO has contributed more lore than the main series in this millennium, I have no idea why players are so appalled by ESO lore. ESO is cannon and not a better or worse place to tell Elder Scrolls lore than a mainline game.

ZOS has been adding a lot of details to the lore. They may actually be the larger contributor to lore, period. They are racing forward with new lore at a rate that BGS was never able to accomplish.

colossalvoids · January 21

Seraphayel wrote: »

Anumaril wrote: »

Not a fan of ESO just introducing a whole new Daedric Prince out of the blue. That should either be left to the main series, or just not done at all.

Like others have said, I really hope that at the end of the storyline we banish/destroy her in some way so that the lore remains consistent in later titles.

ESO has contributed more lore than the main series in this millennium, I have no idea why players are so appalled by ESO lore. ESO is cannon and not a better or worse place to tell Elder Scrolls lore than a mainline game.

It's not that people complain about amount of lore, it's about the quality.

Elsonso · January 21

colossalvoids wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Anumaril wrote: »

Not a fan of ESO just introducing a whole new Daedric Prince out of the blue. That should either be left to the main series, or just not done at all.

Like others have said, I really hope that at the end of the storyline we banish/destroy her in some way so that the lore remains consistent in later titles.

ESO has contributed more lore than the main series in this millennium, I have no idea why players are so appalled by ESO lore. ESO is cannon and not a better or worse place to tell Elder Scrolls lore than a mainline game.

It's not that people complain about amount of lore, it's about the quality.

That seems to come up with every Elder Scrolls game, though. There is a lot of lore, not all of it is defined more than what is needed, and a lot of it is fluid, and it is not unchanging, even in the single player games.

OtarTheMad · January 21

I think ZOS has done well with the lore honestly. They’ve added in some things to even Snow Elves like books, one book that is not an in game book but one you got for pre-ordering the game, the trees that they grew themselves, the ruins under Fort Greenwall which hints why we don’t see much Snow elven ruins (I am holding out hope we see them in Winterhold or Dawnstar chapters though)

They also gave Left Handed Elves an actual name, something Bethesda didn’t do. I do wish we ran into other races though like Lilmothiit and Imga. Surely some of these races traveled Tamriel and didn’t get caught up in the plague or Falinesti.

Syldras · January 21

OtarTheMad wrote: »

They also gave Left Handed Elves an actual name, something Bethesda didn’t do.

Tell me more. I don't think there's something that was not at least in lore books before.

OtarTheMad · January 21

Syldras wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

They also gave Left Handed Elves an actual name, something Bethesda didn’t do.

Tell me more. I don't think there's something that was not at least in lore books before.

Well, before this game Lefthanded Elves were just that, that’s all we had for a name… kind of dumb tbh. It was during the quests of DC when they started getting into Yokuda tales and all that where it was revealed the elves name was Sinistral Elves.

I am not sure what else was in their lore before this game but I know that’s all they were called and their lore pages were very small, like a sentence basically and now they aren’t.

Plus, I forgot that ZOS also added how Redguard could become Sword Singers in that quest with Sai Sahan in Elsweyr. Loved that.

Am I mistaken though? I love Redguard lore so I always read up on it and Lefthanded Elves lore pages were always nothing and then those quests and they were filled out more.

FelisCatus · January 21

Seraphayel wrote: »

Anumaril wrote: »

Not a fan of ESO just introducing a whole new Daedric Prince out of the blue. That should either be left to the main series, or just not done at all.

Like others have said, I really hope that at the end of the storyline we banish/destroy her in some way so that the lore remains consistent in later titles.

ESO has contributed more lore than the main series in this millennium, I have no idea why players are so appalled by ESO lore. ESO is cannon and not a better or worse place to tell Elder Scrolls lore than a mainline game.

Whilst I agree this is too extreme of a lore change I think.

FelisCatus · January 21

Elsonso wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Anumaril wrote: »

Not a fan of ESO just introducing a whole new Daedric Prince out of the blue. That should either be left to the main series, or just not done at all.

Like others have said, I really hope that at the end of the storyline we banish/destroy her in some way so that the lore remains consistent in later titles.

ESO has contributed more lore than the main series in this millennium, I have no idea why players are so appalled by ESO lore. ESO is cannon and not a better or worse place to tell Elder Scrolls lore than a mainline game.

ZOS has been adding a lot of details to the lore. They may actually be the larger contributor to lore, period. They are racing forward with new lore at a rate that BGS was never able to accomplish.

But that's because BGS makes a new game every so often and ZOS is just updating a live service annually so it's no wonder ZOS could add more lore.

Elsonso · January 21

Syldras wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

They also gave Left Handed Elves an actual name, something Bethesda didn’t do.

Tell me more. I don't think there's something that was not at least in lore books before.

The name of the elves, Sinestral.

Syldras · January 21

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Well, before this game Lefthanded Elves were just that, that’s all we had for a name… kind of dumb tbh. It was during the quests of DC when they started getting into Yokuda tales and all that where it was revealed the elves name was Sinistral Elves.
I am not sure what else was in their lore before this game but I know that’s all they were called and their lore pages were very small, like a sentence basically and now they aren’t.

Yes, they added a lot to their lore, and that's wonderful. I meant the part of your comment that ZOS gave them a name finally.

Jaraal · January 21

Seraphayel wrote: »

Anumaril wrote: »

Not a fan of ESO just introducing a whole new Daedric Prince out of the blue. That should either be left to the main series, or just not done at all.

Like others have said, I really hope that at the end of the storyline we banish/destroy her in some way so that the lore remains consistent in later titles.

ESO has contributed more lore than the main series in this millennium, I have no idea why players are so appalled by ESO lore. ESO is cannon and not a better or worse place to tell Elder Scrolls lore than a mainline game.

ESO is the only TES game where Bosmer are not stealthy, and Argonians are not immune to poison. And the ESO lore contradicts itself in many ways. There is still dialogue in the game about Argonians being immune and wood elves being stealthy, even after the changes. Not to mention there being dragons in the second era, which has never been canon until it became a convenient way to sell DLC. And even the new lore contradicts itself, when choices the player makes in the main story are rendered illegitimate, when sacrifices made to save the world are moot because the martyrs just pop back up without explanation as if nothing ever happened.

OtarTheMad · January 21

Syldras wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Well, before this game Lefthanded Elves were just that, that’s all we had for a name… kind of dumb tbh. It was during the quests of DC when they started getting into Yokuda tales and all that where it was revealed the elves name was Sinistral Elves.
I am not sure what else was in their lore before this game but I know that’s all they were called and their lore pages were very small, like a sentence basically and now they aren’t.

Yes, they added a lot to their lore, and that's wonderful. I meant the part of your comment that ZOS gave them a name finally.

Sinistral Elves. I never heard that before this game, just the name that Redguards seemed to have called them (Lefthanded) which was more unofficial.

Syldras · January 21

Elsonso wrote: »

The name of the elves, Sinestral.

Oh, that. Well, "sinistra" is Latin for "left-handed". I think it has always been used interchangeably? At least I think I read an article on the UESP about different kinds of mer a very, very long time ago and there they were already mentioned with both names. But I might remember wrong.