Survey Assistant!!!!

tmbrinks · January 5

Czeri wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

sshogrin wrote: »

Quackery wrote: »

Some surveys drop leads, so that wouldn't really work.

It's only treasure maps that drop leads.....

False. There are several leads that drop from surveys, including one from jewelry surveys only. They also drop leads from their respective crafting nodes in the appropriate zones.

Having a survey merchant or an assistant wouldn't stop people who want to hunt for leads from doing the surveys the old-fashioned way. And having usable surveys in every zone was never the design, so the hundreds of separate documents clogging the players' inventories need a fix.

I was just clarifying a false statement that was made. I said nothing about the original posting so I'm not sure why you're quoting me on this.

(Although my opinion is that surveys are already overpowered, and I say this as somebody who does a lot of writs... a lot. A survey assistant would be game-breaking and would lead to significant nerfing of surveys most likely. Let the surveys go into the craft bag. Solves the inventory issues without breaking the game.)

They all fit on one character.

Tandor · January 5

Cooperharley wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

I I find when people say no to ideas on here, they just mean they wouldn’t use it themselves, and would prefer to have the option to use it or not, but the better question is, are you actively against someone else using it? In which case, 99% of the time SHOULD be a no.

I think you're wrong on that. Most critical posters also have in mind the good of the game. In particular, there is a very valid position to adopt against further simplication and trivialisation of core parts of the game structure.

However, even if you're right and players oppose a suggestion because they don't want it for themselves, that argument works both ways as most players who post suggestions do so because they want them for themselves, not necessarily because they think they would be for the good of the game.

That’s fine lol. But in general, a live service game is going to have changes. Plain and simple. This game largely plays like a single player game, and as such, it attracts people like yourself who I tend to see disagree on a vast majority of posts, because they don’t want their game to change - which is fine! That’s your opinion.

But I would rather see conversation personally on a basis of, “maybe not this, but here’s an alternative”, rather than outright disagreement on every level, because then the developers implement things in game that get lots of backlash - like the recent tales of tribute, which is successful for a minority of the player base, but was received very poorly by a large majority. So I urge you and other people on the forums to give constructive feedback and alternatives rather than simple no’s all the time with some fancy wording. Cheers

Actually, I tend in the main to oppose those changes that fail either or both of two tests - they need to be optional, and/or they shouldn't dumb the game down.

I agree that it's better to be constructive and say “maybe not this, but here’s an alternative”. Read post #3 above

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sshogrin · January 8

XxCaLxX wrote: »

This would make the economy of material way worse than it already is. Passively collecting material is what I consider bot farming and we all can see what that does to the economy. I'm fine with collecting all stacks of surveys in one go though but if we allow NPCs to collect for us then that'll lead down a path of people wanting NPCs to do a lot more than that.

I don't see how this would change the economy.
I see a lot of people that only do harvesting, post on traders, then hoard the money...that does nothing for the economy at all.
As it is, Guild Traders are way too expensive, that in itself drives up the prices of materials. I've played for since beta and seen material prices sky rocket.

ClowdyAllDay · January 8

Tandor wrote: »

OsUfi wrote: »

VoidCommander wrote: »

Could have the ultimate solution and not have such an arbitrarily limited bank size. That is the most criminal thing MMOs do that I honestly think should be made illegal. Limiting Inventory/Bank space so harshly just creates a problem so they can sell a solution. It is a very scummy business practice that doesn't enhance the game in any way.

Storage in ESO is not a problem. People just need to stop hoarding junk.

Agreed, plus it's not a "very scummy business practice" to allow players to choose not to pay a monthly subscription but then give QoL benefits to those who do choose to do so.

cue the pay to win arguments

Braffin · January 8

sshogrin wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

This would make the economy of material way worse than it already is. Passively collecting material is what I consider bot farming and we all can see what that does to the economy. I'm fine with collecting all stacks of surveys in one go though but if we allow NPCs to collect for us then that'll lead down a path of people wanting NPCs to do a lot more than that.

I don't see how this would change the economy.

You said for yourself, that you aren't able to do all surveys at present due to time restrictions.

A npc doing the work for you would enable you to gather more resources, thus also selling more resources. This would very well change the economy.

That's the intention, isn't it? What other reason is behind doing writs on 31 toons on 3 accounts if not making money?

Trejgon · January 8

Dunno about assistants per say, since those are usually paid venture, but I think it would be nice if you could sent off your companions to gather surveys for you. each survey would take some time to gather, and companion would be unavailable for normal play during that period. could even have it's own mini-system to improve results they get.

That way we could have more interesting uses for companions, and in particular for having more than 1 in the first place.

NordSwordnBoard · January 8

I would definitely trade the surveys with an assistant for 1/2 or 1/3 the materials value. I would gladly exchange at that rate to save myself the time spent doing such chores.

Another route is to greatly increase the material return and greatly reduce the survey drop rate. It would need to be new surveys though, as the hoarded surveys would likely benefit from the upgrade. Think of like how old jewelry can't be deconstructed.

adirondack · January 8

Surveys in the craft bag…. That would fix a lot of the problems but only for ESO+ subscribers. Good for ZOS. Clever.

karthrag_inak · January 8

tmbrinks wrote: »

(Although my opinion is that surveys are already overpowered, and I say this as somebody who does a lot of writs... a lot. A survey assistant would be game-breaking and would lead to significant nerfing of surveys most likely. Let the surveys go into the craft bag. Solves the inventory issues without breaking the game.)

They all fit on one character.

Khajiit does not necessarily agree that surveys are overpowered, but this one would rather nothing be done at all, with the possible exception of having surveys be held within the craftbag, than have something change that causes surveys to be diminished in some way.

And since we're sharing baby pictures, khajiit wants to show his survey litter too

Araneae6537 · January 8

karthrag_inak wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

(Although my opinion is that surveys are already overpowered, and I say this as somebody who does a lot of writs... a lot. A survey assistant would be game-breaking and would lead to significant nerfing of surveys most likely. Let the surveys go into the craft bag. Solves the inventory issues without breaking the game.)

They all fit on one character.

Khajiit does not necessarily agree that surveys are overpowered, but this one would rather nothing be done at all, with the possible exception of having surveys be held within the craftbag, than have something change that causes surveys to be diminished in some way.

And since we're sharing baby pictures, khajiit wants to show his survey litter too

Wow, some of you do way too many writs or collect far too few surveys!

karthrag_inak · January 8

Nonsense. This is Khajiit's 401k-hajiit plan, his retirement, for when claws get even duller, he will still be able to support himself in a manner and at a level to which he has become accustomed.

moo_2021 · January 8

Why not let us trade surveys? Just sell to whoever want them.

Twohothardware · January 8

I'd rather see the Surveys done away with and we just get a loot container with a random number of said resource in it. These surveys, just like treasure maps, are incredibly annoying to do on console where there are no addons to show the locations on the in-game map.

BXR_Lonestar · January 9

OsUfi wrote: »

VoidCommander wrote: »

Could have the ultimate solution and not have such an arbitrarily limited bank size. That is the most criminal thing MMOs do that I honestly think should be made illegal. Limiting Inventory/Bank space so harshly just creates a problem so they can sell a solution. It is a very scummy business practice that doesn't enhance the game in any way.

Storage in ESO is not a problem. People just need to stop hoarding junk.

If Zos did these two things, then people wouldn't hoard junk anymore:

1. Uncap the amount of transmutes you can hold, and

2. Make transmutes much easier to earn in large numbers.

The reason I say this is because I still hold onto jewelry and other "perfect trait" pieces of armor from certain sets/dungeons when they drop simply because I don't know if I'll have the transmutes to make the full set if/when I decide to try the set. By allowing us to accumulate more than 1000 transmute gems, that allows us to basically spend them at will without worry about the cost - i.e., we don't feel the need to hold on to certain pieces. This becomes even easier to do if they make transmute gems more readily available.

If they announced they were going to do these two things, there are so many pieces of jewelry in my bank that I would simply love to decon and get rid of.

tmbrinks · January 9

Araneae6537 wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

(Although my opinion is that surveys are already overpowered, and I say this as somebody who does a lot of writs... a lot. A survey assistant would be game-breaking and would lead to significant nerfing of surveys most likely. Let the surveys go into the craft bag. Solves the inventory issues without breaking the game.)

They all fit on one character.

Khajiit does not necessarily agree that surveys are overpowered, but this one would rather nothing be done at all, with the possible exception of having surveys be held within the craftbag, than have something change that causes surveys to be diminished in some way.

And since we're sharing baby pictures, khajiit wants to show his survey litter too

Wow, some of you do way too many writs or collect far too few surveys!

Yeah, I collect a lot of mine, hence the smaller amount. (I have gotten nearly 30k surveys across my accounts since I started tracking them). Get a stack of 10/20 of them and just relaxingly collect them, usually while watching something on the other monitor.

Twohothardware wrote: »

I'd rather see the Surveys done away with and we just get a loot container with a random number of said resource in it. These surveys, just like treasure maps, are incredibly annoying to do on console where there are no addons to show the locations on the in-game map.

The game really needs an option to place custom markers on your maps built in. That way, once you know where a survey is, you can pin it to know the location. I play on PC, so we have addons, but that functionality should be base game.

kargen27 · January 9

The obvious solution is just delete them. They are taking to much of your space and you lack the time to complete them so why keep them. Let them go. You will have a whole new batch soon enough.

TheMessengerOfDeath · January 10

I mean could be something for our companion's to do since they're pretty much useless anyway

sshogrin · January 10

Braffin wrote: »

sshogrin wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

This would make the economy of material way worse than it already is. Passively collecting material is what I consider bot farming and we all can see what that does to the economy. I'm fine with collecting all stacks of surveys in one go though but if we allow NPCs to collect for us then that'll lead down a path of people wanting NPCs to do a lot more than that.

I don't see how this would change the economy.

You said for yourself, that you aren't able to do all surveys at present due to time restrictions.

A npc doing the work for you would enable you to gather more resources, thus also selling more resources. This would very well change the economy.

That's the intention, isn't it? What other reason is behind doing writs on 31 toons on 3 accounts if not making money?

I don't actually farm materials to sell on traders, I typically use my resources for my toons.

Uvi_AUT · January 10

sshogrin wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

While I think an assistant would be a bit too much automation, I agree with your suggestion to harvest all stacked surveys in one go.

I have 32 characters between 3 accounts...I understand the too much automation feeling, but I have a ton of surveys, I get behind, I'd like to be able to do more in the game than do surveys...we already have the hirelings in the crafting skill lines, to me this is an extension of the hirelings...

I have 1 character between 1 Account and even I fall behind on Surveys. I usually only do them when I´m in the Area anyways.

Mayrael · February 2

I've been saying about stacked gathering for years. It's the simplest to implement and most fair approach we can have. You still need access to DLC zones, you still need to take your time to gather those nods, you just don't need to play that stupid forth and back reset "game" which is IMHO the biggest paint point of surveys.

Edit:
Second approach which was given by someone else is also quite good, keybind to reset surveys. It would be a bit more time consuming (because you still need to gather all surveys one after another) but the forth and back riding wouldn't be an issue anymore. So it's big a win to.

Elyu · February 2

Very similar to thread started the other day:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/651298/companions-should-be-more-useful-by-having-jobs-such-as-doing-our-crafting-surveys

Drammanoth · February 2

Playing any game is *an* effort, because people naturally like challenges.

If one has little time, devote ONE day to complete eg. Auridon, next Murkmire, then Western Skyrim, etc.

Make the effort. You will like it.

Vaughndaunted · February 3

Elyu wrote: »

Very similar to thread started the other day:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/651298/companions-should-be-more-useful-by-having-jobs-such-as-doing-our-crafting-surveys

lol I just found this thread. Wow. I love how this was there and I didn’t notice.

Monte_Cristo · February 3

Araneae6537 wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

(Although my opinion is that surveys are already overpowered, and I say this as somebody who does a lot of writs... a lot. A survey assistant would be game-breaking and would lead to significant nerfing of surveys most likely. Let the surveys go into the craft bag. Solves the inventory issues without breaking the game.)

They all fit on one character.

Khajiit does not necessarily agree that surveys are overpowered, but this one would rather nothing be done at all, with the possible exception of having surveys be held within the craftbag, than have something change that causes surveys to be diminished in some way.

And since we're sharing baby pictures, khajiit wants to show his survey litter too

Wow, some of you do way too many writs or collect far too few surveys!

Two of those are pretty close to wayshrines, too. Dunno about the Apocrypha one, though.

Shara_Wynn · February 3

I will spend an entire weekend just getting through my surveys if I let them stack up but I don't think it's fair to have survey assistants. We already have hirelings to increase our mat yields.

Not having to run back and forwards to refresh the nodes when collecting the same survey would be helpful however.

Azphira wrote: »

I want an assistant that acts like an outfit station.

This is a great idea

SilverBride · February 3

TaSheen wrote: »

Quackery wrote: »

Some surveys drop leads, so that wouldn't really work.

I'm not sure I've ever got a lead from a survey....

I got a lead from a survey yesterday.

TaSheen · February 3

SilverBride wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Quackery wrote: »

Some surveys drop leads, so that wouldn't really work.

I'm not sure I've ever got a lead from a survey....

I got a lead from a survey yesterday.

Well, I'll just keep doing my surveys! Eh, I would anyway. They're one of my favorite things to do.