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Why do I get to flirt with Naryu - out of all characters - all the time?

Benemime
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That was some "strange" dev choices (well, not really, comparing on how the game industry is centered on man). I get that people wants to flirt with NPCs but this is obviously something that they targeted straight guys (I don't think they thought about lesbians when they did this, we know how the game industry works). Don't I have a choice on "I don't want to flirt with her" - I'm not interested.

Is Naryu the only NPC that we are constantly flirting with? Jakarn says that I'm "good looking" but I don't remember that flood of flirting and me being able to compliment him back and persuade him into flirting, like we have with Naryu. I'm not interested. It's strange that the only option (so far that I've known) is with a female character, it makes so obvious that the devs were only think about what the straight guys wants.
  • FantasticFreddie
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    I get a kick out of it tbh. I don't think she means it, I think it's just how she is.
  • AcadianPaladin
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    Darien Gautier flirts also - and there are several opportunities in the dialogue to encourage or ignore it. Admittedly he flirts less than Naryu.
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  • LouisaB75
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    One of the bankers in Summerset flirts too. But not with all characters. Seems to ignore my high elf who was my main and I only noticed her flirting when I took an alt to the bank for the first time.
  • Rebirthment
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    I don't mind it tbh. But i can understand why it may seem weird, especially when besides Darien, and maybe Jakarn once? is really the only NPC you can make these Flirtatious comments with. But i guess it's just a part of her character.

    Perhaps if ZOS made it more of a common thing then maybe it wouldn't be so weird? Although im not sure if players would want that.
    Edited by Rebirthment on October 18, 2023 3:52PM
  • FantasticFreddie
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    LouisaB75 wrote: »
    One of the bankers in Summerset flirts too. But not with all characters. Seems to ignore my high elf who was my main and I only noticed her flirting when I took an alt to the bank for the first time.

    YES, she is my favorite. Asking me to tell her all about my culture-- perhaps tonight? Over some wine?

    Love her.
  • TheGreatBlackBear
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    Any pertinent point you could have had kinda fell by the wayside when you decided to make this out to be about men. A more cynical person would think you had a problem with men. Surprised you didn't talk about the dreaded male gaze. Also more likely than not the writer of these scenarios is a lady. The gaming industry in general and ZOS in particular has a lot of prolific women as writers. Regardless of the writer's gender, there a million different reasons other than "thirsty straight guy" why things can end up missing the mark.
  • Rebirthment
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    LouisaB75 wrote: »
    One of the bankers in Summerset flirts too. But not with all characters. Seems to ignore my high elf who was my main and I only noticed her flirting when I took an alt to the bank for the first time.

    I honestly saw that as less of a flirt and more as a genuine curiousness.

    But sure, why not i guess?
  • ArchMikem
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    There ARE people who use flirting as a means to have fun, a lot of the time not actually acting on it. Every interaction Naryu always mentions "maybe later" or "if only". She's never direct with you. Also, she says this to all characters of both Sexes, that alone puts a damper on your written for straight men idea.
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  • UsualSurrender
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    cuz she hawt...and stuffs

    The devs know we gamers enjoy pretty pixels telling us nice things that we don't hear often in real life
    and other clichés about gamers that may be dated but not completely untrue.

    And fortunately for you, she's not the only one.
    Edited by UsualSurrender on October 18, 2023 5:46PM
  • spartaxoxo
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    Darien, Jakarn, Razum-dar and Naryu are the most flirtatious of the major NPCs. Although, I would agree you have more opportunities to return the flirting with Naryu.
  • FlipFlopFrog
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    The dialogue is exactly the same whether you play a male or female character so, no, it doesn't cater to anyone in particular. Jakarn is also an example of this, as he will call your character 'good looking' regardless if you play a female Breton or an overweight male Orc. Whatever floats your boat Jakarn... :D

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  • Treselegant
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    Benemime wrote: »
    That was some "strange" dev choices (well, not really, comparing on how the game industry is centered on man). I get that people wants to flirt with NPCs but this is obviously something that they targeted straight guys (I don't think they thought about lesbians when they did this, we know how the game industry works). Don't I have a choice on "I don't want to flirt with her" - I'm not interested.

    Is Naryu the only NPC that we are constantly flirting with? Jakarn says that I'm "good looking" but I don't remember that flood of flirting and me being able to compliment him back and persuade him into flirting, like we have with Naryu. I'm not interested. It's strange that the only option (so far that I've known) is with a female character, it makes so obvious that the devs were only think about what the straight guys wants.

    There does seem to be this school of thought that pervades on the forums that ESO was created in pure unbridled egalitarian spirit with no bias what so ever so you're probably going to get some flak - but I think you are right. No other reoccuring npc comes on as strong as Naryu without the option to say "hey, I'm not interested in you like that" or at least "yeah, I get your 'flirty assassin' angle but you don't need to do that with me". Her male counterpart story-wise is Darien but Darien can be rejected very early on and then nothing more is said about it.
  • whitecrow
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    LouisaB75 wrote: »
    One of the bankers in Summerset flirts too. But not with all characters. Seems to ignore my high elf who was my main and I only noticed her flirting when I took an alt to the bank for the first time.

    I never considered that flirting, just fawning over something new and strange.

    I do like how everyone tends to go to her rather than the jerk on the other side, though.
  • M1SHAAN
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    I recently started doing DLC dungeon undaunted pledges (no ESO+ before) and if we're compiling a list of NPCs that flirt with the player, Urgarlag Chief-Bane definitely belongs on it. I mean, look at what she says after you complete Moongrave Fane:
    Vampires don't impress me much. I bite harder in bed. Dragonguard vampires that eat Dragons? That's another story.
    Maybe I'll have you compare.
    It's hard to get more forward than that lol. However, the player doesn't really get to flirt back, and she doesn't seem interested in immediately acting on her flirting. If you talk to her after turning in a pledge, she sometimes will say the following:
    Trying to count me among your day's conquests? I am not won over so easily.
    Tomorrow ... that might be another story.
    She's also clearly interested in pursuing Glirion, as she can also say this:
    Glirion's heart is a fortress. Epics will be sung about the one to crack it.
    Come back tomorrow. Tonight I have a siege to lay.
    Personally I like her flirting, even if I'm playing a character that isn't interested. It fits her backstory of how she got her name:
    Let's say I don't bow to tradition, especially concerning romance. Someone catches my eye, I'll win their heart.
    Bloodied my blade on dozens of jealous lovers. Not to mention preachy types who can't mind their own business.
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    M1SHAAN wrote: »
    if we're compiling a list of NPCs that flirt with the player

    I think Naryu is in a different league to the mostly one line here or there npcs that pop up in game. Naryu, like Darien, is offered up as a sort of 'romantic interest' type character that you interact with many times during the base game and beyond. She's a pretty major character even if you never meet her in the EP main story because her actions have consequences in later expansions/dlcs.

    Unlike Darien there is no way to get her to drop the flirting - it just goes on and on regardless of how the player actually wants to interact with her. Both Darien and Naryu have flirtatiousness as part of their personality but for some reason the player is only allowed to set bounderies with one and not the other. The flirt reply options are avoidable but there should be an option to shut her down full stop rather than assuming that every single player wants to jump in the bath with her.

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    The real question is: why don't they put even more flirting?
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    Shagreth wrote: »
    The real question is: why don't they put even more flirting?

    I would say no thanks. Personally not into it. While I know it's just a game, my mind immediately goes to "this NPC is doing this with every single person they interact with" and it always feels a little yucky to me.

    However, I disagree with the OP on the assumptions regarding the Naryu flirting. It's come up several times how modern ESO stories are with regards to relationships. I wouldn't assume at all that her character was some kind of targeted-to-males scenario.

    Found with a quick Google search:
    Thread 1

    Thread 2

    Also here's a thread that complains about Jakarn's constant flirting/comments so, at least for some players there is a male NPC equivalent, which would also disprove some kind of ulterior motive with Naryu:

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/621689/feedback-on-jakarn
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  • polaris86
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    Agreed I would like to see an option to say “I’m flattered but not interested” to Naryu. It doesn’t bother me that she flirts, but it kind of bothers me that I only get one option to proceed.
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    polaris86 wrote: »
    Agreed I would like to see an option to say “I’m flattered but not interested” to Naryu. It doesn’t bother me that she flirts, but it kind of bothers me that I only get one option to proceed.

    Beause she'd probably gut you if you turned down her advances. /s
    Also fun fact there's basically a hidden romance route where if you every single one of her quest across multiple expansions and zones you get the option to talk about settling down with her. AFIK she's the only TESO character who has that.
    Edited by TheGreatBlackBear on October 19, 2023 4:48PM
  • mdjessup4906
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    I figured it's just part of her persona. It would be less weird if more characters had such in depth dialog options.
    Edited by mdjessup4906 on October 19, 2023 9:00PM
  • mdjessup4906
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    The dialogue is exactly the same whether you play a male or female character so, no, it doesn't cater to anyone in particular. Jakarn is also an example of this, as he will call your character 'good looking' regardless if you play a female Breton or an overweight male Orc. Whatever floats your boat Jakarn... :D

    Listening to him attempt to cozy up to my grizzled old (straight male) argonian necro is hilarious. And don't forget Lady Arabelle. I know alot of people like her, but she creeps me out lol.
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    I just avoid Naryu and Jakarn. I wish they were like Darien where you could tell them to knock it off. Not that I tell Darien to knock it off but... he's less obnoxious with his flirting.
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  • Kallykat
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    Some people like flirty NPCs and some don't. Let's not forget this:
    https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/smolderscrolls

    I don't have a problem with Naryu, btw. Although, admittedly, I haven't yet played through all her quests. Even when I do find something about a particular character's personality or dialogue annoying, I try not to read too much into it. It actually makes the game more realistic because you run into people in real life whose personalities grate on you too. ;)
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    The dialogue is exactly the same whether you play a male or female character so, no, it doesn't cater to anyone in particular. Jakarn is also an example of this, as he will call your character 'good looking' regardless if you play a female Breton or an overweight male Orc. Whatever floats your boat Jakarn... :D

    Listening to him attempt to cozy up to my grizzled old (straight male) argonian necro is hilarious. And don't forget Lady Arabelle. I know alot of people like her, but she creeps me out lol.

    Yes, me playing my female character was really creeped out by her. Probably just because she is an older woman. It was pretty non-stop too.

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  • theskymoves
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    I miss Darien. That is all.
  • TaSheen
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    I don't appreciate "flirty" period. It should always be something one could skip completely.
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  • jtm1018
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    I will flirt with Naryu all the time.

    Just let me have her as a companion.
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