I'm not sure what to do. [resolved] [please close]

wilykcat

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

I haven't been able to figure out why profanity used by players of a game intended for mature players is concerning.

What I have learned from ZOS_Kevin's recent post and also from others:

In the game the filter is optional and so is the use of profanity. The rules here on the forums are different than the ones in the game as these forums are public.

The game is rated Mature (18+) for somethings that it contains. The forums are rated pg13 because somethings in the game are not really appropriate to post on a open public space. They will still allow (once in a while) some very mild things on the forums as long if it doesn't become excessive and it doesn't cross the line.

To be mature (on the forums) in this context means " to act like adults and not to act like not a bunch of teenagers". It also means to act more professional by having a proper constructive discussion. So that is why stuff like baiting, bashing, and cursing, etc, are not allowed/recommended to be used on the forums.

Jazraena

I don't think you're following what we don't get about profanity.

A very, very, very significant part of the world is, was and will likely always remain flabberghasted at the American obsession with censoring profanity.

It does not compute for us.

wilykcat

Jazraena wrote: »

I don't think you're following what we don't get about profanity.

A very, very, very significant part of the world is, was and will likely always remain flabberghasted at the American obsession with censoring profanity.

It does not compute for us.

This isn't a discussion about profanity usage. I was using that as an example. This discussion is more to help me better understand the soon to be changes to the forums, how moderation works and when it's ok to report, and not to overreact on the forums.

I have to admit that attempting to derailing my proper discussion into a discussion about something else isn't really constructive or helpful. So please stop. If you want to start up another conversation, there is an option to create a new thread about it.

Jazraena

Nobody is trying to derail a thing.

And it's not 'one or a small few' other countries.

wolfie1.0.

wilykcat wrote: »

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

I haven't been able to figure out why profanity used by players of a game intended for mature players is concerning.

In the game the filter is optional and so is the use of profanity. The rules here on the forums are different than the ones in the game as these forums are public.

The game is rated Mature (18+) for somethings that it contains. The forums are rated pg13 because somethings in the game are not really appropriate to post on a open public space. They will still allow (once in a while) some very mild things on the forums as long if it doesn't become excessive and it doesn't cross the line.

To be mature (on the forums) in this context means " to act like adults and not to act like not a bunch of teenagers". It also means to act more professional by having a proper constructive discussion. So that is why stuff like baiting, bashing, and cursing, etc, are not allowed/recommended to be used on the forums.

As part of thst constructive conversation, It's not recommended that you mix the a games ESRB rating with the forum rules or TOS or code of conduct.

Many people can and do view ESRB ratings as being less restrictive and take that implication to mean that speech is likewise more flexible.

MMature 17+ is an ESRB rating that suggests a video game is suitable for ages 17 and up. An M rated video game may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

Basically, if it's implied that the game itself will use strong language, that it's ok for players to do the same. As for people acting like adults... well... let's just say some people never progress out of the teenager phase.

That said, personally I think ESOs M rating is too harsh and ir should be a 13+ game. That's just my opinion, content wise it's on the very low end of M.

That said, on the forums atleast a lot of us walk too close to thst line of what the forums allow, things get heated here because of the frustrations and interactions with others, and I empathize with the moderation team for all of the stuff we put them through to manage us. I imagine it's like herding cats most times.

wilykcat

One last comment.

Thank you ZOS_Kevin for your response.

By having more information about the changes that are going to happen to the forums along with the possible smaller changes such as new content that maybe added; I now feel a lot more better and confident about these upcoming events. Also that these other smaller changes from some of the forum survey will mostlikely happen later on next year makes me feel relief.

I also learned that moderation is a very complicated process and a its a lot of hard work. To go through everything and while trying catch rule violations can be overwhelming.

Also thank you for the rest of your advice that was given. I will do my best.

Jazraena

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

I haven't been able to figure out why profanity used by players of a game intended for mature players is concerning.

In the game the filter is optional and so is the use of profanity. The rules here on the forums are different than the ones in the game as these forums are public.

The game is rated Mature (18+) for somethings that it contains. The forums are rated pg13 because somethings in the game are not really appropriate to post on a open public space. They will still allow (once in a while) some very mild things on the forums as long if it doesn't become excessive and it doesn't cross the line.

To be mature (on the forums) in this context means " to act like adults and not to act like not a bunch of teenagers". It also means to act more professional by having a proper constructive discussion. So that is why stuff like baiting, bashing, and cursing, etc, are not allowed/recommended to be used on the forums.

As part of thst constructive conversation, It's not recommended that you mix the a games ESRB rating with the forum rules or TOS or code of conduct.

Many people can and do view ESRB ratings as being less restrictive and take that implication to mean that speech is likewise more flexible.

MMature 17+ is an ESRB rating that suggests a video game is suitable for ages 17 and up. An M rated video game may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

Basically, if it's implied that the game itself will use strong language, that it's ok for players to do the same. As for people acting like adults... well... let's just say some people never progress out of the teenager phase.

That said, personally I think ESOs M rating is too harsh and ir should be a 13+ game. That's just my opinion, content wise it's on the very low end of M.

That said, on the forums atleast a lot of us walk too close to thst line of what the forums allow, things get heated here because of the frustrations and interactions with others, and I empathize with the moderation team for all of the stuff we put them through to manage us. I imagine it's like herding cats most times.

Frankly, I think a very crucial thing even ZOS needs to realize is that most of the world hasn't got a clue how ESRB ratings even work in practice.

wilykcat

@ZOS_Kevin and @ZOS_Volpe

I would like to make the request for my thread to be closed as the issue has been resolved. Thank you for all your help.

valenwood_vegan

wilykcat wrote: »

Jazraena wrote: »

I don't think you're following what we don't get about profanity.

A very, very, very significant part of the world is, was and will likely always remain flabberghasted at the American obsession with censoring profanity.

It does not compute for us.

I have to admit that attempting to derailing my proper discussion into a discussion about something else isn't really constructive or helpful. So please stop. If you want to start up another conversation, there is an option to create a new thread about it.

I'm sorry but you have gotta realize that you're posting things in a public forum and people can reply with their thoughts, so long as they comply with the forum rules. If you don't like what people are saying, possibly take Kevin's advice and don't engage with it... it's not good to get yourself worked up about comments that are made by other people that you cannot control. And it's not up to you to police other peoples' thoughts.

And the point the person is making is absolutely relevant to the overall discussion - that there can be cultural differences in what people perceive as offensive.

[EDIT for typo].

wilykcat

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

Jazraena wrote: »

I don't think you're following what we don't get about profanity.

A very, very, very significant part of the world is, was and will likely always remain flabberghasted at the American obsession with censoring profanity.

It does not compute for us.

I have to admit that attempting to derailing my proper discussion into a discussion about something else isn't really constructive or helpful. So please stop. If you want to start up another conversation, there is an option to create a new thread about it.

I'm sorry but you have gotta realize that you're posting things in a public forum and people can reply with their thoughts, so long as they comply with the forum rules. If you don't like what people are saying, possibly take Kevin's advice and don't engage with it... it's not good to get yourself worked up about comments that are made by other people that you cannot control. And it's not up to you to police other peoples' thoughts.

And the point the person is making is absolutely relevant to the overall discussion - that there can be cultural differences in what people perceive as offensive.

[EDIT for typo].

I requested it to be closed because of the issue getting resolved and the rest of the comments are off-topic. It is ok for me to request for my own threads to be closed for any reason. It also seems like you no longer want me to engage in the thread I created.

If you want to discuss something different please create an entirely new thread about it.

ZOS_Hadeostry

Greetings everyone,

At the request of the original poster, we have closed this thread. We always encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they remain respectful when doing so.

Thank you for your understanding, and please keep the Community Rules in mind when posting on the forums.