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Fix to Valkyn Skoria, and other sets.
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FoJul✭✭✭✭Also, going to add more. When you said should never happen against competitive builds. It doesn't, take in cosideration that in this test, the opponent was only asked to use burst heal on himself.
No purge...No stuns...No interupts....No kiting...no actual combat involved.
In a real fight that skoria proc is even lower do to these reasons.0 -
FoJul✭✭✭✭QuasiGumbo wrote: »If you made Way of Fire, or Master dual wield have a chance to do the damage that they do, lets say for example:
Way of fire- Instead of it doing damage every 2 seconds when using weapons. Make it like 10% chance to proc damage every 2 seconds when dealing damage with a weapon. Everyone would drop the set and it will be a dead set.
When I say *Fix* a set. That means adjust the set to which it will actually be a decent option when making a build. This goes back to everyone using the same few sets for everything. 8/10 times of a fight. The opponent will be using zaan or balorgh. (for pvp)
Lemme just put on the same build on every single class. The playstyle is basically the same. If we can get some old outdated sets to be brought back in line (a.k.a, Fixed) maybe there would be fun builds and fun engaging fights.
You can argue with the OP all you want but you know that these sets *Work* but don't work.
(P.S) you personally know me, so having to explain *Battle Spirit* was just untasteful.
[snip]Also, going to add more. When you said should never happen against competitive builds. It doesn't, take in cosideration that in this test, the opponent was only asked to use burst heal on himself.
No purge...No stuns...No interupts....No kiting...no actual combat involved.
In a real fight that skoria proc is even lower do to these reasons.
I don't have the screenshot from the other night of wanting it to work. Where i fought for 5 minutes with 2 dots. In 5 minutes, I only had 6 skoria procs. That's 1 skoria proc away from being 1 proc every 5 minutes.
I was fighting a templar. Yes they are skilled at the game and wasn't just some pushover. They knew what they were doing.
Just for you Ill make another forum post.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 3, 2023 2:08PM0 -
QuasiGumbo✭✭✭QuasiGumbo wrote: »If you made Way of Fire, or Master dual wield have a chance to do the damage that they do, lets say for example:
Way of fire- Instead of it doing damage every 2 seconds when using weapons. Make it like 10% chance to proc damage every 2 seconds when dealing damage with a weapon. Everyone would drop the set and it will be a dead set.
When I say *Fix* a set. That means adjust the set to which it will actually be a decent option when making a build. This goes back to everyone using the same few sets for everything. 8/10 times of a fight. The opponent will be using zaan or balorgh. (for pvp)
Lemme just put on the same build on every single class. The playstyle is basically the same. If we can get some old outdated sets to be brought back in line (a.k.a, Fixed) maybe there would be fun builds and fun engaging fights.
You can argue with the OP all you want but you know that these sets *Work* but don't work.
(P.S) you personally know me, so having to explain *Battle Spirit* was just untasteful.
[snip]Also, going to add more. When you said should never happen against competitive builds. It doesn't, take in cosideration that in this test, the opponent was only asked to use burst heal on himself.
No purge...No stuns...No interupts....No kiting...no actual combat involved.
In a real fight that skoria proc is even lower do to these reasons.
I don't have the screenshot from the other night of wanting it to work. Where i fought for 5 minutes with 2 dots. In 5 minutes, I only had 6 skoria procs. That's 1 skoria proc away from being 1 proc every 5 minutes.
I was fighting a templar. Yes they are skilled at the game and wasn't just some pushover. They knew what they were doing.
Just for you Ill make another forum post.
If they knew what they were doing, as a templar they were purging the DoTs unless they are memeing you, meaning your proc chances were being removed which in turn reduces your proc chances. With people running purge cp this is more wide spread, meaning you should focus on having the purge cp fixed.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 3, 2023 2:08PM1 -
QuasiGumbo✭✭✭Also, going to add more. When you said should never happen against competitive builds. It doesn't, take in cosideration that in this test, the opponent was only asked to use burst heal on himself.
No purge...No stuns...No interupts....No kiting...no actual combat involved.
In a real fight that skoria proc is even lower do to these reasons.
Again, the pve screenshots had similar proc numbers to the pvp screenshots, with the difference of i actually broke down the number of potentional proc events and showed the actual percentage of them procing. 5 of the 6 screenshots were each done with single dots. Each dot applied damage at different rates, meaning twisting path has double the number of chances to proc valkyn versus blood craze, or debilitate/crippling grasp. I also went back and removed the number of events that were unusable due to cooldowns. The chances are accurate.
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FoJul✭✭✭✭QuasiGumbo wrote: »If you made Way of Fire, or Master dual wield have a chance to do the damage that they do, lets say for example:
Way of fire- Instead of it doing damage every 2 seconds when using weapons. Make it like 10% chance to proc damage every 2 seconds when dealing damage with a weapon. Everyone would drop the set and it will be a dead set.
When I say *Fix* a set. That means adjust the set to which it will actually be a decent option when making a build. This goes back to everyone using the same few sets for everything. 8/10 times of a fight. The opponent will be using zaan or balorgh. (for pvp)
Lemme just put on the same build on every single class. The playstyle is basically the same. If we can get some old outdated sets to be brought back in line (a.k.a, Fixed) maybe there would be fun builds and fun engaging fights.
You can argue with the OP all you want but you know that these sets *Work* but don't work.
(P.S) you personally know me, so having to explain *Battle Spirit* was just untasteful.
[snip]Also, going to add more. When you said should never happen against competitive builds. It doesn't, take in cosideration that in this test, the opponent was only asked to use burst heal on himself.
No purge...No stuns...No interupts....No kiting...no actual combat involved.
In a real fight that skoria proc is even lower do to these reasons.
I don't have the screenshot from the other night of wanting it to work. Where i fought for 5 minutes with 2 dots. In 5 minutes, I only had 6 skoria procs. That's 1 skoria proc away from being 1 proc every 5 minutes.
EDITED the 1 proc every 5 minutes i meant 1 proc per minute for 5 minutes lol my bad.
I was fighting a templar. Yes they are skilled at the game and wasn't just some pushover. They knew what they were doing.
Just for you Ill make another forum post.
@ZOS_Kraken @ZOS_GinaBruno or any other zos employee, can you close this thread.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 3, 2023 2:09PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭Aces-High-82 wrote: »Unfortunately I didn't pve for some years now so I looked it up. Both twisting and blockade are affected by Master at Arms. Skoria been a staple on magplar in the past bc puncturing was a dot even its wording indicated a direct nature.
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Twisting+Path
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Elemental+Blockade
Unfortunately that website in particular is often wrong about CP, and it leads a lot of people astray.2 -
Aces-High-82✭✭✭✭Why anyone would choose Neri is beyond my imagination.MashmalloMan wrote: »Aces-High-82 wrote: »Correct me If it changed at some point but twistring and blockade are direct dmg. Dots are worded as "Deals x damage over x seconds"
Don't get hung up on the wording, they are interchangeable. ZOS is notoriously bad with their tooltips.
True. Since Wrobel left PvP went downhill fast. I honestly miss a somewhat reasonable vision and progress towards it since.0 -
Aces-High-82✭✭✭✭Aces-High-82 wrote: »Unfortunately I didn't pve for some years now so I looked it up. Both twisting and blockade are affected by Master at Arms. Skoria been a staple on magplar in the past bc puncturing was a dot even its wording indicated a direct nature.
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Twisting+Path
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Elemental+Blockade
Unfortunately that website in particular is often wrong about CP, and it leads a lot of people astray.
Thats really unfortunate but I can't recall Skoria procing of ground aoe's. But as it proced off the old bat ult one can never tell.0 -
QuasiGumbo✭✭✭Aces-High-82 wrote: »Aces-High-82 wrote: »Unfortunately I didn't pve for some years now so I looked it up. Both twisting and blockade are affected by Master at Arms. Skoria been a staple on magplar in the past bc puncturing was a dot even its wording indicated a direct nature.
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Twisting+Path
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Elemental+Blockade
Unfortunately that website in particular is often wrong about CP, and it leads a lot of people astray.
Thats really unfortunate but I can't recall Skoria procing of ground aoe's. But as it proced off the old bat ult one can never tell.
it definitely procs off ground aoe like elemental blockade and twisting path. In fact it is more likely to proc off that because ground aoe's like the 2 i mentioned do damage every second, meaning skoria is checking every second versus a sticky dot like blood craze which ticks every 2 seconds. Twice the checks for proc'ing!1 -
QuasiGumbo✭✭✭Aces-High-82 wrote: »Why anyone would choose Neri is beyond my imagination.MashmalloMan wrote: »Aces-High-82 wrote: »Correct me If it changed at some point but twistring and blockade are direct dmg. Dots are worded as "Deals x damage over x seconds"
Don't get hung up on the wording, they are interchangeable. ZOS is notoriously bad with their tooltips.
True. Since Wrobel left PvP went downhill fast. I honestly miss a somewhat reasonable vision and progress towards it since.
The return of papa Wrobel is desperately needed.0 -
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✭✭✭✭QuasiGumbo wrote: »Aces-High-82 wrote: »Why anyone would choose Neri is beyond my imagination.MashmalloMan wrote: »Aces-High-82 wrote: »Correct me If it changed at some point but twistring and blockade are direct dmg. Dots are worded as "Deals x damage over x seconds"
Don't get hung up on the wording, they are interchangeable. ZOS is notoriously bad with their tooltips.
True. Since Wrobel left PvP went downhill fast. I honestly miss a somewhat reasonable vision and progress towards it since.
The return of papa Wrobel is desperately needed.
Heinsight is 20/20... Everyone at the time wanted him gone and they brought in a new team. I didn't agree with his ideas for Warden, but at the very least he had an explicitly clear vision for the class centered around delayed pay off in the theme of "growth".
You can see that vision in Scorch, Cliffracer, double Flies, animation for Betty, Grove, and Budding Seeds.
@Dekrypted Trollking has only ever buffed health regen. It was a staple of pvp back when resolving vigor was aoe and Momentum/Rally had a hot. I remember it clear as day because it's 1 of the main builds I'd run trying to juice health regen as much as possible. I ran 7 heavy, Orc (used to give 20% HP reg i think), Sorc (20%) and HP pots (20%). I think I was able to double it back then. Insane passive healing, unkillable with Rally hot and crit surge.
I have a feeling this is another terminology issue with OP. Troll King lost its punch when health regen was nerfed by battlespirit by 50%.
As someone that spent time trying to locate the "fix" required for the supposed "broken" Valkyn I conquer with your sentiment. OP never gave me 1 ounce of an impression they were asking to buff the set.
Lead me and others on a wild goose chase. To OP, it would of seriously helped to provide the important detail that your 2 sticky dots and 2 AOE dots, were used in PVP against a Templar, the king of purging dots. It's no wonder it didn't work the way you expected, you can't rely on dots against a Templar. Period.Edited by MashmalloMan on October 3, 2023 11:59AMPC Beta - 2200+ CP
Stam Sorc Khajiit PvE/PVP Main || Stam Sorc Dark Elf PvP ||
Stam Templar Dark Elf || Stam Warden Wood Elf || Stam DK Nord || Stam Necro Orc || Stam Blade Khajiit
Mag Sorc High Elf || Mag Templar High Elf || Mag Warden Breton || Mag Necro Khajiit || Mag Blade Khajiit1 -
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