Tank sets: Daedric Trickery?

LittlePinkDot

What do you think about using Daedric Trickery set on a tank?

I'm currently planning on using Daedric trickery set for my tank, only armour pieces, (not jewelry or weapons)

I know something like turning tide is probably better, but I'm trying to stick to a crafted set because I can choose the traits when crafting. It's significantly easier than farming for a dungeon set and then needing all the transmutes to change a the traits.

And what other crafted sets do you like for tanks?

Arthtur

Well if u are Arcanist then u have nice buffs already without any sets. I just gave few cheap to get options for starting but if u want something else u are free to take what u want. if i would know that u play Arcanist i would just told u to pick what u want and go in xD
Kynmarcher only good buffs are Major Vuln and Major Breach. Because those are aoe so they help with many enemies at the same time. But its rng so uptime on this can be rly low. Its just good if u dont have anything else.
Serpent's Disdain wont bring anything worthwile for Arcanist. U already have good skill for minor brittle and minor vuln. Its good for other classes that have harder time with good uptime on those debuffs.
I dont know what ppl see in Nunatak but oh well. For me the uptime on this is just too low to be worthwhile.

NoSoup

Torag's Pact is probably the only craftable set you can get away with.

The unfortunate truth is if you don't want to farm sets like turning tide, powerful assault, yolk or crimson oath and the other top tier tanking sets then you're not going to be "wanted" in vet content - which leaves you to tanking normal content. If you're tanking normal content you're better off focusing on increasing your damage as it's pretty easy to not die in normal with just 26k health.

LittlePinkDot

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The unfortunate truth is if you don't want to farm sets like turning tide, powerful assault, yolk or crimson oath and the other top tier tanking sets then you're not going to be "wanted" in vet content - which leaves you to tanking normal content. If you're tanking normal content you're better off focusing on increasing your damage as it's pretty easy to not die in normal with just 26k health.[/quote]

I only pug.
I assume I'm probably going to have less than par DD's sometimes, or a less than par healer sometimes.
It's always a roll of the dice.

I intend to have some healing and a bit of damage since it's complete RNG who I'm going to end up with.

I got some wiggle room to be a bit selfish.
People who pug ain't choosy. 😅

Arthtur

For tanking normal dungeons u dont rly need any specific sets so u dont have to worry if something is good or not. For base game vets its good to have something but u will survive without it. In vet dlc its better to have something that helps the group. Doesnt have to be much but anything. Its just the pug so putting meta requirments on the tank is just wrong... most of the time u get DDs who cant even benefit from those buffs.

Some easy to get sets outside dungeons:
Kynmarcher's Cruelty - works like Deadric Trickery but debuffs enemies around you. Its a overland set from Deadlands so u can easly buy it from guild traders.
Akaviri Dragonguard - reduces the cost of your ultimate, so if u have a ultimate that helps the group it will reduce its cost. Overland set from Eastmarch.
Phoenix Moth Theurge - gives Minor Courage and Minor Force when u heal an ally which can be easly done with aoe from vigor. Its medium set tho so it wont be good on body. Overland set from Galen.
Noble's Conquest - Bash applies Minor Vulnerability and gives u HoT. Rather commnon buff but always something if u dont have it. Crafted Set.
Serpent's Disdain - Increases the duration of Status Effects you apply by 16 seconds. For example using Frost Clench will apply Minor Brittle for 20s with this set. Elemental Susceptibility will apply Minor Vulnerability and Minor Brittle for very long time. Crafted Set.

Enjoy tanking.

Daoin

dunno but if a new player asks me to craft a set for them i usually suggest DT on the list along with twice-born star

LittlePinkDot

Arthtur wrote: »

For tanking normal dungeons u dont rly need any specific sets so u dont have to worry if something is good or not. For base game vets its good to have something but u will survive without it. In vet dlc its better to have something that helps the group. Doesnt have to be much but anything. Its just the pug so putting meta requirments on the tank is just wrong... most of the time u get DDs who cant even benefit from those buffs.

Some easy to get sets outside dungeons:
Kynmarcher's Cruelty - works like Deadric Trickery but debuffs enemies around you. Its a overland set from Deadlands so u can easly buy it from guild traders.
Akaviri Dragonguard - reduces the cost of your ultimate, so if u have a ultimate that helps the group it will reduce its cost. Overland set from Eastmarch.
Phoenix Moth Theurge - gives Minor Courage and Minor Force when u heal an ally which can be easly done with aoe from vigor. Its medium set tho so it wont be good on body. Overland set from Galen.
Noble's Conquest - Bash applies Minor Vulnerability and gives u HoT. Rather commnon buff but always something if u dont have it. Crafted Set.
Serpent's Disdain - Increases the duration of Status Effects you apply by 16 seconds. For example using Frost Clench will apply Minor Brittle for 20s with this set. Elemental Susceptibility will apply Minor Vulnerability and Minor Brittle for very long time. Crafted Set.

Enjoy tanking.

Kynmarchers sounds interesting.
I'm debating if the major vulnerability is worth losing the major heroism and major vitality and mending, major protection of daedric trickery.

I already give minor vulnerability and minor brittle from the Rune of the colourless pool skill. And I get major breach from Ransack.
I get minor maim and lifesteal from Runic embrace taunt. I give minor breach passively from unbreakable fate armour everytime somebody hits me. Reconstructive Domain gives minor courage and HoT.
Going to use Nunatak for major brittle.
Would Serpents Disdain set increase the major brittle to 20 seconds and my minor brittle to 40 seconds???
Ooooooh I think I like that one the most.

Is this enough debuffs/buffs to help the group?

The reason I need only armour slots is because my jewelry and weapon slots is Crafty Alfiq set, which is light armour. I only have 15 attribute points into magicka but with crafty Alfiq I'll be able to have enough magicka to use Chakram shields of Destiny to provide on demand shields to my group at the same time as generating Crux.
And I can help with damage a little bit, got one CP Master at arms for a bit of damage.
Alot of the time I find I end up with DD's that are part PVP character or something so they need some help.
I'm on console, so there's no combat metrics, we're the blind leading the blind.
Bumbled into vet fanf lair once with one of my other characters and got horribly wiped.
Managed to pass vet scale caller and get Zaan after an agonizing hour. Lol

Hoping this new character will be a nice balance able to help with whatever is lacking.

LittlePinkDot

Arthtur wrote: »

Well if u are Arcanist then u have nice buffs already without any sets. I just gave few cheap to get options for starting but if u want something else u are free to take what u want. if i would know that u play Arcanist i would just told u to pick what u want and go in xD
Kynmarcher only good buffs are Major Vuln and Major Breach. Because those are aoe so they help with many enemies at the same time. But its rng so uptime on this can be rly low. Its just good if u dont have anything else.
Serpent's Disdain wont bring anything worthwile for Arcanist. U already have good skill for minor brittle and minor vuln. Its good for other classes that have harder time with good uptime on those debuffs.
I dont know what ppl see in Nunatak but oh well. For me the uptime on this is just too low to be worthwhile.

From what I've read Nunatak works best if somebody else is wearing Nazaray.
It increases the the duration of the Major brittle or something like that.

code65536

Some non-BoP tank options off the top of my head:

• Battalion Defender (from Cyrodiil, BoE, so purchasable from other players)... when you block an attack, you heal yourself or a nearby ally
• Hist Bark or Spectre's Eye (crafted)... Major Evasion; it's a bit situational, but Major Evasion can be very useful on some fights with high incoming AoE damage
• Akaviri Dragonguard (overland)... Lower ulti cost
• Livewire (overland)... AoE concussion (minor vuln) and a heal proc for yourself

As for Daedric Trickery... the problem I see with that set is the RNG of it. You can't count on having the right buff for the right situation. Yea, the buffs can be potentially strong, but they can also be potentially wasted, and I just prefer to have something that I can count on having.

Necrotech_Master

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Arthtur wrote: »

Well if u are Arcanist then u have nice buffs already without any sets. I just gave few cheap to get options for starting but if u want something else u are free to take what u want. if i would know that u play Arcanist i would just told u to pick what u want and go in xD
Kynmarcher only good buffs are Major Vuln and Major Breach. Because those are aoe so they help with many enemies at the same time. But its rng so uptime on this can be rly low. Its just good if u dont have anything else.
Serpent's Disdain wont bring anything worthwile for Arcanist. U already have good skill for minor brittle and minor vuln. Its good for other classes that have harder time with good uptime on those debuffs.
I dont know what ppl see in Nunatak but oh well. For me the uptime on this is just too low to be worthwhile.

From what I've read Nunatak works best if somebody else is wearing Nazaray.
It increases the the duration of the Major brittle or something like that.

yup, nazaray extends the duration of all debuffs based on how much ult was consumed when using an ult, i think it caps at around +15 or +20 seconds (which would make the major brittle debuff on nunatak go from 4 sec to ~20 sec)

the main problem i see using nunatak is that its already crazy easy to get to the crit dmg cap that this debuff would be wasted

easier to get monster sets for tanking would be like tremorscale (does -armor on the target when hitting with taunt) which just requires completing volenfell on vet for the head

Urzigurumash

code65536 wrote: »

Some non-BoP tank options off the top of my head:

• Battalion Defender (from Cyrodiil, BoE, so purchasable from other players)... when you block an attack, you heal yourself or a nearby ally
• Hist Bark or Spectre's Eye (crafted)... Major Evasion; it's a bit situational, but Major Evasion can be very useful on some fights with high incoming AoE damage
• Akaviri Dragonguard (overland)... Lower ulti cost
• Livewire (overland)... AoE concussion (minor vuln) and a heal proc for yourself

As for Daedric Trickery... the problem I see with that set is the RNG of it. You can't count on having the right buff for the right situation. Yea, the buffs can be potentially strong, but they can also be potentially wasted, and I just prefer to have something that I can count on having.

Livewire and Battalion Defender bought in Guild Traders is by far the quickest and cheapest route to comfortably pugging Vet DLC, you will never be the reason your group wipes in these and you can easily find a full set.