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Since Pop count is low
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.Edited by Tandor on September 3, 2023 5:18PM6 -
Jierdanit✭✭✭✭✭
✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »The PvP counts were high right before Necrom released. Then Necrom released, and they dropped. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. It's because people shifted from Cyrodiil to Telvanni Peninsula for the new content.
No.
The PvP counts dropped because before Necrom the performance was actually really good for a while and are now back to slightly better than before the changes, but nowhere near the level it should be.
People are leaving PvP because ZOS hasnt managed to fix performance in years, has not been able to change the broken PvP balance in at least 3 patches and does everything but straight up tell PvP players to leave to show them that they arent wanted in ESO.Edited by Jierdanit on September 3, 2023 5:57PMPC/EU, StamSorc Main2 -
PieMaster1✭✭✭✭Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
No way in hell Steam players are half. Vast majority of people use launcher because there's no reason whatsoever for steam unless you just want worthless achievements
Reminds me of Lord of the Rings online. Everyone saying how dead it is because steam has 300 players but launcher has like 10k at least lol (Still very low for an MMO but its 16 years old, it has earned the privilege because of low long it's lasted lol)2 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
Probably a combination of more people checking out the new content and ZOS' puzzling and unexplained decision to nerf Emperor buffs. Emp pushes seem far less common as they have removed the motivation to do so for all but the title chasers.
The lack of addressing balance and the unchecked meta of unkillable 1vXers and ball groups have discouraged many and may have something to do with the downturn in participation as well.RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.0 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
True, some may be embarrassed about playing on Steam and choose not to participate. The number could be higher.RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
True, some may be embarrassed about playing on Steam and choose not to participate. The number could be higher.
We need a forum post to verify the amount of players that use the forums to vote. Then we will get to the bottom of this mystery or snowball into a avalanche of misinformation.0 -
boi_anachronism_✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CreamedPieYum wrote: »Not sure why so many posts start out by stuffing the rabbit in the hat. This reminds me of the post that began by asking why so many veterans were leaving. Rabbit. Hat.
Despite all the stuff bringing in new players I still think there's a bit of an empty lull somehow, my traders haven't sold anything in days. I have one vivec (bleakrock barter) and two mournhold (lucian, warmart) and everyone in the guild chat has been complaining that stuff hasn't moved. I had 20 perfect roe for 60K apiece for example, its been sitting for 10 days. 60k is a steal. 10 chromium plates at 300k per, nothing. Once again, absolute steals but no one is biting. I'm in the prime trader locations too
Omg. Pc prices are a mess. Ps prices are less then 1/3 of that 😳Edited by boi_anachronism_ on September 3, 2023 7:44PM0 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
True, some may be embarrassed about playing on Steam and choose not to participate. The number could be higher.
We need a forum post to verify the amount of players that use the forums to vote. Then we will get to the bottom of this mystery or snowball into a avalanche of misinformation.
Yes, because forum users are not representative of the people who play ESO. Real ESO players don't use message boards.RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
True, some may be embarrassed about playing on Steam and choose not to participate. The number could be higher.
We need a forum post to verify the amount of players that use the forums to vote. Then we will get to the bottom of this mystery or snowball into a avalanche of misinformation.
Yes, because forum users are not representative of the people who play ESO. Real ESO players don't use message boards.
Well no, they representative of the player base but by what percentage of players all together in order to achieve a true statistic only another online forum poll can possibly solve. There is no sarcasm to see here.1 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
True, some may be embarrassed about playing on Steam and choose not to participate. The number could be higher.
We need a forum post to verify the amount of players that use the forums to vote. Then we will get to the bottom of this mystery or snowball into a avalanche of misinformation.
Yes, because forum users are not representative of the people who play ESO. Real ESO players don't use message boards.
Well no, they representative of the player base but by what percentage of players all together in order to achieve a true statistic only another online forum poll can possibly solve. There is no sarcasm to see here.
Can you prove that forum polls are misrepresentative of the general population? Or are you just speculating that the polls are skewed one way or the other?RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.2 -
Olauron✭✭✭✭✭
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And in "About":Just FYI, here's how that website comes up with their projections:Exposing how it works
We measure two primary metrics: Reddit Subscribers and Reddit Active Users.Can you prove that forum polls are misrepresentative of the general population? Or are you just speculating that the polls are skewed one way or the other?
As far as I remember, self-selected population is not very representative for statistics. Here it is self-selected in double (first to register on forum, second to answer a poll question).Edited by Olauron on September 3, 2023 8:17PMThe Three Storm Sharks, episode 8 released on january the 8th.
One mer to rule them all,
one mer to find them,
One mer to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them.2 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
True, some may be embarrassed about playing on Steam and choose not to participate. The number could be higher.
We need a forum post to verify the amount of players that use the forums to vote. Then we will get to the bottom of this mystery or snowball into a avalanche of misinformation.
Yes, because forum users are not representative of the people who play ESO. Real ESO players don't use message boards.
Well no, they representative of the player base but by what percentage of players all together in order to achieve a true statistic only another online forum poll can possibly solve. There is no sarcasm to see here.
Can you prove that forum polls are misrepresentative of the general population? Or are you just speculating that the polls are skewed one way or the other?
No more than you prove the opposite. Maybe we need another poll on polls.0 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
True, some may be embarrassed about playing on Steam and choose not to participate. The number could be higher.
We need a forum post to verify the amount of players that use the forums to vote. Then we will get to the bottom of this mystery or snowball into a avalanche of misinformation.
Yes, because forum users are not representative of the people who play ESO. Real ESO players don't use message boards.
Well no, they representative of the player base but by what percentage of players all together in order to achieve a true statistic only another online forum poll can possibly solve. There is no sarcasm to see here.
Can you prove that forum polls are misrepresentative of the general population? Or are you just speculating that the polls are skewed one way or the other?
No more than you prove the opposite. Maybe we need another poll on polls.
I'm just trying to understand what the variable might be. As far as I can tell, it would have to be dishonesty. Meaning, forum users are more dishonest than non-forum users.
Hypothetical example: Someone start a poll asking, "Do you drive a Ford? Yes, or no."
Yes: 7%
No: 93%
Now, for the poll to be statistically inaccurate, a percentage of people would have to lie. Either people who drive a Ford are lying about it, or people who don't drive Fords are lying and say they do. And what if the same number of people are lying on either side? Wouldn't it balance the results out? Which raises the question: Are people who don't take forum polls more honest? Would they be more truthful, but simply are choosing to not participate?
It makes no sense to me.
Edited by Jaraal on September 3, 2023 8:45PMRIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.0 -
Jierdanit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
True, some may be embarrassed about playing on Steam and choose not to participate. The number could be higher.
We need a forum post to verify the amount of players that use the forums to vote. Then we will get to the bottom of this mystery or snowball into a avalanche of misinformation.
Yes, because forum users are not representative of the people who play ESO. Real ESO players don't use message boards.
Well no, they representative of the player base but by what percentage of players all together in order to achieve a true statistic only another online forum poll can possibly solve. There is no sarcasm to see here.
Can you prove that forum polls are misrepresentative of the general population? Or are you just speculating that the polls are skewed one way or the other?
No more than you prove the opposite. Maybe we need another poll on polls.
I'm just trying to understand what the variable might be. As far as I can tell, it would have to be dishonesty. Meaning, forum users are more dishonest than non-forum users.
Hypothetical example: Someone start a poll asking, "Do you drive a Ford? Yes, or no."
Yes: 7%
No: 93%
Now, for the poll to be statistically inaccurate, a percentage of people would have to lie. Either people who drive a Ford are lying about it, or people who don't drive Fords are lying and say they do. And what if the same number of people are lying on either side? Wouldn't it balance the results out? Which raises the question: Are people who don't take forum polls more honest? Would they be more truthful, but simply are choosing to not participate?
It makes no sense to me.
Its not about honesty, its about the fact that a poll that had less than 500 participants simply cant be considered enough to accurately represent a playerbase that has like 1000 times as many players.
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
True, some may be embarrassed about playing on Steam and choose not to participate. The number could be higher.
We need a forum post to verify the amount of players that use the forums to vote. Then we will get to the bottom of this mystery or snowball into a avalanche of misinformation.
Yes, because forum users are not representative of the people who play ESO. Real ESO players don't use message boards.
Well no, they representative of the player base but by what percentage of players all together in order to achieve a true statistic only another online forum poll can possibly solve. There is no sarcasm to see here.
Can you prove that forum polls are misrepresentative of the general population? Or are you just speculating that the polls are skewed one way or the other?
No more than you prove the opposite. Maybe we need another poll on polls.
I'm just trying to understand what the variable might be. As far as I can tell, it would have to be dishonesty. Meaning, forum users are more dishonest than non-forum users.
Hypothetical example: Someone start a poll asking, "Do you drive a Ford? Yes, or no."
Yes: 7%
No: 93%
Now, for the poll to be statistically inaccurate, a percentage of people would have to lie. Either people who drive a Ford are lying about it, or people who don't drive Fords are lying and say they do. And what if the same number of people are lying on either side? Wouldn't it balance the results out? Which raises the question: Are people who don't take forum polls more honest? Would they be more truthful, but simply are choosing to not participate?
It makes no sense to me.
Its not about honesty, its about the fact that a poll that had less than 500 participants simply cant be considered enough to accurately represent a playerbase that has like 1000 times as many players.
What about those 500 participants makes them different from the (ESO Steam charts = 14,000 avg. players (36%) + 26,000 non-Steam PC players (64%)) 40,000 total PC players? Why would they be more inclined to lie about what service they use to play the game?RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
True, some may be embarrassed about playing on Steam and choose not to participate. The number could be higher.
We need a forum post to verify the amount of players that use the forums to vote. Then we will get to the bottom of this mystery or snowball into a avalanche of misinformation.
Yes, because forum users are not representative of the people who play ESO. Real ESO players don't use message boards.
Well no, they representative of the player base but by what percentage of players all together in order to achieve a true statistic only another online forum poll can possibly solve. There is no sarcasm to see here.
Can you prove that forum polls are misrepresentative of the general population? Or are you just speculating that the polls are skewed one way or the other?
No more than you prove the opposite. Maybe we need another poll on polls.
I'm just trying to understand what the variable might be. As far as I can tell, it would have to be dishonesty. Meaning, forum users are more dishonest than non-forum users.
Hypothetical example: Someone start a poll asking, "Do you drive a Ford? Yes, or no."
Yes: 7%
No: 93%
Now, for the poll to be statistically inaccurate, a percentage of people would have to lie. Either people who drive a Ford are lying about it, or people who don't drive Fords are lying and say they do. And what if the same number of people are lying on either side? Wouldn't it balance the results out? Which raises the question: Are people who don't take forum polls more honest? Would they be more truthful, but simply are choosing to not participate?
It makes no sense to me.
Its not about honesty, its about the fact that a poll that had less than 500 participants simply cant be considered enough to accurately represent a playerbase that has like 1000 times as many players.
Plus the fact that not all forum posters are active ESO players by their own admission.3 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
True, some may be embarrassed about playing on Steam and choose not to participate. The number could be higher.
We need a forum post to verify the amount of players that use the forums to vote. Then we will get to the bottom of this mystery or snowball into a avalanche of misinformation.
Yes, because forum users are not representative of the people who play ESO. Real ESO players don't use message boards.
Well no, they representative of the player base but by what percentage of players all together in order to achieve a true statistic only another online forum poll can possibly solve. There is no sarcasm to see here.
Can you prove that forum polls are misrepresentative of the general population? Or are you just speculating that the polls are skewed one way or the other?
No more than you prove the opposite. Maybe we need another poll on polls.
I'm just trying to understand what the variable might be. As far as I can tell, it would have to be dishonesty. Meaning, forum users are more dishonest than non-forum users.
Hypothetical example: Someone start a poll asking, "Do you drive a Ford? Yes, or no."
Yes: 7%
No: 93%
Now, for the poll to be statistically inaccurate, a percentage of people would have to lie. Either people who drive a Ford are lying about it, or people who don't drive Fords are lying and say they do. And what if the same number of people are lying on either side? Wouldn't it balance the results out? Which raises the question: Are people who don't take forum polls more honest? Would they be more truthful, but simply are choosing to not participate?
It makes no sense to me.
Its not about honesty, its about the fact that a poll that had less than 500 participants simply cant be considered enough to accurately represent a playerbase that has like 1000 times as many players.
Plus the fact that not all forum posters are active ESO players by their own admission.
So then those players rightly wouldn't be taking part in a poll about how they enter the game, if they do not enter the game. Of course.RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.1 -
Jierdanit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
True, some may be embarrassed about playing on Steam and choose not to participate. The number could be higher.
We need a forum post to verify the amount of players that use the forums to vote. Then we will get to the bottom of this mystery or snowball into a avalanche of misinformation.
Yes, because forum users are not representative of the people who play ESO. Real ESO players don't use message boards.
Well no, they representative of the player base but by what percentage of players all together in order to achieve a true statistic only another online forum poll can possibly solve. There is no sarcasm to see here.
Can you prove that forum polls are misrepresentative of the general population? Or are you just speculating that the polls are skewed one way or the other?
No more than you prove the opposite. Maybe we need another poll on polls.
I'm just trying to understand what the variable might be. As far as I can tell, it would have to be dishonesty. Meaning, forum users are more dishonest than non-forum users.
Hypothetical example: Someone start a poll asking, "Do you drive a Ford? Yes, or no."
Yes: 7%
No: 93%
Now, for the poll to be statistically inaccurate, a percentage of people would have to lie. Either people who drive a Ford are lying about it, or people who don't drive Fords are lying and say they do. And what if the same number of people are lying on either side? Wouldn't it balance the results out? Which raises the question: Are people who don't take forum polls more honest? Would they be more truthful, but simply are choosing to not participate?
It makes no sense to me.
Its not about honesty, its about the fact that a poll that had less than 500 participants simply cant be considered enough to accurately represent a playerbase that has like 1000 times as many players.
What about those 500 participants makes them different from the (ESO Steam charts = 14,000 avg. players (36%) + 26,000 non-Steam PC players (64%)) 40,000 total PC players? Why would they be more inclined to lie about what service they use to play the game?
Again. Its not about lying.
No one said those people would be lying.
You just need a big enough sample size for any poll to actually be worth something. and 500 people is in this case just not enough for that. It might give some idea of the direction its going to be in, but the only thing you actually prove with that is that some people play via Steam and others dont. With the amount of people who answered that poll however you cant be sure that the actual distribution isnt wildly different from the poll results.
Again, since you seem to have trouble understanding it. No one says that the poll isnt conclusive, because ppl could lie. It simply isnt conclusive because it needs a lot more people to be able to claim that it accurately represents the community.
And that isnt even including the fact that even if every person on these forums voted on that poll, the average forum user isnt necessarily the same as the average ESO player.PC/EU, StamSorc Main1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
It's not quite that high, only about 36% of PC players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1
Ah, the next most reliable indicator - a forum poll !
These are completely non biased of course
True, some may be embarrassed about playing on Steam and choose not to participate. The number could be higher.
We need a forum post to verify the amount of players that use the forums to vote. Then we will get to the bottom of this mystery or snowball into a avalanche of misinformation.
Yes, because forum users are not representative of the people who play ESO. Real ESO players don't use message boards.
Well no, they representative of the player base but by what percentage of players all together in order to achieve a true statistic only another online forum poll can possibly solve. There is no sarcasm to see here.
Can you prove that forum polls are misrepresentative of the general population? Or are you just speculating that the polls are skewed one way or the other?
No more than you prove the opposite. Maybe we need another poll on polls.
I'm just trying to understand what the variable might be. As far as I can tell, it would have to be dishonesty. Meaning, forum users are more dishonest than non-forum users.
Hypothetical example: Someone start a poll asking, "Do you drive a Ford? Yes, or no."
Yes: 7%
No: 93%
Now, for the poll to be statistically inaccurate, a percentage of people would have to lie. Either people who drive a Ford are lying about it, or people who don't drive Fords are lying and say they do. And what if the same number of people are lying on either side? Wouldn't it balance the results out? Which raises the question: Are people who don't take forum polls more honest? Would they be more truthful, but simply are choosing to not participate?
It makes no sense to me.
Its not about honesty, its about the fact that a poll that had less than 500 participants simply cant be considered enough to accurately represent a playerbase that has like 1000 times as many players.
Plus the fact that not all forum posters are active ESO players by their own admission.
So then those players rightly wouldn't be taking part in a poll about how they enter the game, if they do not enter the game. Of course.
Not necessarily, they may have voted based on how they used to enter the game if they were past players. Not that it would make any real difference as the poll sample was meaninglessly small anyway.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭...the average forum user isnt necessarily the same as the average ESO player.
Can you prove this? Or is it just your opinion?
How would what platform a player uses to enter the game change simply because they take part in the forums or not?
I'm trying to understand your reasoning.
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✭✭✭✭✭Not that it would make any real difference as the poll sample was meaninglessly small anyway.
So you're saying that just under 500 people is too small of a sample size? Some statisticians may disagree with you.Many statisticians concur that a sample size of 100 is the minimum you need for meaningful results. If your population is smaller than that, you should aim to survey all of the members.
The same source states that the maximum number of respondents should be 10% of your population, but it should not exceed 1000.
https://survicate.com/blog/survey-sample-size/
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✭CreamedPieYum wrote: »Well the most obvious error is to claim that the Steam population is about 45-50% of all players. If something as basic as that is so far out then anything after that can be dismissed.
No way in hell Steam players are half. Vast majority of people use launcher because there's no reason whatsoever for steam unless you just want worthless achievements
Reminds me of Lord of the Rings online. Everyone saying how dead it is because steam has 300 players but launcher has like 10k at least lol (Still very low for an MMO but its 16 years old, it has earned the privilege because of low long it's lasted lol)
ESO doesn't even have steam achivements.Give us clannfear mounts!0 -
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✭✭✭It depends where on the maps you go.
The capital cities and trade hubs seem to be as lively as they have always been, but get further afield and there are fewer players around. But that seems normal compared to the 7 previous years I have played.
However I just did the public dungeons in High Isle and of the 4 runs I did there, I was alone in 3 of them. So, there is that..
part of that is because as mentioned in posts ESO zones have instances, and you get different ones. trust me its there. i have been logged into up to 6 different accounts at the same time and in the same place and in some cases i see my other characters and in others i dont.
the other part is that ESO has gotten zone creep over the years. by that i mean that when you look at the playable area as a whole, from zones, to houses, to quest instances, to dungeons, to battgrounds. the total places that any player can be at is massive compared to some games, and players tend to gravitate to newer content vs older content0 -
ElderSmitter✭✭✭✭✭wrrn519_ESO wrote: »With the amount of lull currently in the game and with the lower amount of people playing, are they going to give us some news about Endless Archives to boost some hype for upcoming news for the game? I was very interested to see what that was all about and having some lasting content to progress with. Everyone knows that upcoming Starfield and BG3 didn't help things out for numbers so any news would be a nice change for upcoming things instead of QoL.
Propaganda.... ESO is always Busy at all hours when i log on.2