Do you approve of the change disabling the ability to leave an instance during combat?

adamsmith42

Tandor

It would be preferable for the options to be edited if possible to remove the bias from the descriptions.

adamsmith42

Yes, I've seen people abuse this and am glad for the change

.. and I'm a goober, somehow voted wrong in my own poll.. should be a no lol

adamsmith42

Yes, I've seen people abuse this and am glad for the change

Tandor wrote: »

It would be preferable for the options to be edited if possible to remove the bias from the descriptions.

Yeah... I've kinda messed up, haven't posted on these forums all that much, and first time doing a poll, unfortunately there is no option to make that kind of edit, I was going to delete and repost, but that's not an option, only thing I *can* do is edit the title.

Marcus684

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

I get why the IC gankers hated being able to queue for Cyrodiil and escaping them with all those sweet, sweet Tel Var, but I suspect the end result is going to be that the Tel Var farmers are going to feel even more powerless to avoid being ganked and just not bother farming anymore, which will end up reducing the gankers take even more.

In the meantime trying to fix bugs and farm stuff in dungeons and trials has basically been broken.

Well done.

Necrotech_Master

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

Marcus684 wrote: »

I get why the IC gankers hated being able to queue for Cyrodiil and escaping them with all those sweet, sweet Tel Var, but I suspect the end result is going to be that the Tel Var farmers are going to feel even more powerless to avoid being ganked and just not bother farming anymore, which will end up reducing the gankers take even more.

In the meantime trying to fix bugs and farm stuff in dungeons and trials has basically been broken.

Well done.

you know the PTE change has nothing to with the queueing out of IC thing lol, this is only a quality of life downgrade for PVE

code65536

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

this is only a quality of life downgrade for PVE

It was definitely being abused in unintended ways. For example, one strategy adopted by score-pushing groups in vHoF was to have the tank leave the instance when the Palm Strike mechanic starts. This cancels that mechanic--and the accompanying damage immunity--entirely, allowing for much faster kill times.

This is the kind of egregious abuse--where PTE was being used to bypass mechanics--that the change was targeting.

That having been said, PTE does have a lot of legitimate use cases, and this change is effectively throwing the baby out with the bathwater. A better solution would be for it to count as a death for score/achievement purposes, so that there would be no incentive to abuse it in those kinds of ways while preserving its utility for resetting and for working around stuck-in-combat bugs.

Necrotech_Master

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

code65536 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

this is only a quality of life downgrade for PVE

It was definitely being abused in unintended ways. For example, one strategy adopted by score-pushing groups in vHoF was to have the tank leave the instance when the Palm Strike mechanic starts. This cancels that mechanic--and the accompanying damage immunity--entirely, allowing for much faster kill times.

This is the kind of egregious abuse--where PTE was being used to bypass mechanics--that the change was targeting.

That having been said, PTE does have a lot of legitimate use cases, and this change is effectively throwing the baby out with the bathwater. A better solution would be for it to count as a death for score/achievement purposes, so that there would be no incentive to abuse it in those kinds of ways while preserving its utility for resetting and for working around stuck-in-combat bugs.

yeah i dont doubt that there were unintended uses of it either, but they should have either fixed the mechanics that were broken by it, or as you suggest penalize its use in some way

KlauthWarthog

Nope. Typical knee-jerk reaction to a niche issue, and now we have to disband whenever a mob gets stuck in terrain. Fantastic job there.

Marcus684

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

I get why the IC gankers hated being able to queue for Cyrodiil and escaping them with all those sweet, sweet Tel Var, but I suspect the end result is going to be that the Tel Var farmers are going to feel even more powerless to avoid being ganked and just not bother farming anymore, which will end up reducing the gankers take even more.

In the meantime trying to fix bugs and farm stuff in dungeons and trials has basically been broken.

Well done.

you know the PTE change has nothing to with the queueing out of IC thing lol, this is only a quality of life downgrade for PVE

I heard absolutely nothing about this except for a handful of IC gankers complaining about their intended victims abusing it to avoid losing Tel Var. The comment above about cheesing vHoF is the first I've heard of a problem with it in PvE.

adamsmith42

Yes, I've seen people abuse this and am glad for the change

I heard absolutely nothing about this except for a handful of IC gankers complaining about their intended victims abusing it to avoid losing Tel Var. The comment above about cheesing vHoF is the first I've heard of a problem with it in PvE.[/quote]

The big PvE use i knew of was if someone accidently gets pulled into Bahsei HM portal to avoid wiping portal, but that's just for the clear, not scorepush/trifecta

zaria

Nice so then you are stuck in combat for XX minutes you can not leave?
Yes that is that I call an quality of life improvement. Yes porting inn or out of IC is a bit of an exploit.
But then you can be stuck in combat for more than 10 minutes I say its way way more important problems to fix before destroying an solution.

Soarora

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

Just have it count as a death to leave, I thought leaving counted against trifectas anyways but maybe not. Problem solved.

phaneub17_ESO

I'm a solo runner so it doesn't bother me that much. When I do get "trapped" because something unknown is keeping me in combat, I exit the game via the top right X in windowed mode and go play another alt. I have 20 able body characters, swapping around is no big deal and dungeons soft reset after 15 minutes.

CrashTest

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

Such a horrible solution to very specific exploits. ZOS should've patched the exploits instead of removing a key PTE function.

Hapexamendios

This honestly sounds like a nightmare for dungeons like FG2 and Volenfell. Do not want. Revert immediately.

Rasande_Robin

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

Leaving should count towards vitality loss... problem fixed and everyone is happy.

OsUfi

Yes, I've seen people abuse this and am glad for the change

Im a yes, pro change. The complaints about Volenfell and FG2 are IMHO easy to skip. Just leave party.

However, the bug at the end the dungeon where you fight the big red dude with thwo sub-arenas you get sent too, where the NPCs don't show up. Man, that's going to be a sod to complete the quest on. I've never gotten a character through that quest naturally. I've always had to leave and return. It's been long enough. They really need to fix that.

Lykeion

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

There was the same vote when U39 was still in the PTS and the result was basically the same as now. I'm sad to see that ZOS chose to push this change through when the majority of people voted against it. Something never changed since U35.

jle30303

For FG2 and Volenfell, the answer is quite obvious: kill things as you go instead of running away and past them, it really is not difficult and it does not in fact add that much time to it. There's even an ACHIEVEMENT for killing Obsidian Warriors, this is the game telling you that you are SUPPOSED to fight your way through them and kill them.

kringled_1

The enemies at the end of volenfell spawn infinitely. Killing them is not the solution.

Calastir

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

No.
Give me liberty or give me death.
If someone chooses not to fight for whatever reason, they should be allowed to leave.

code65536

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

jle30303 wrote: »

For FG2 and Volenfell, the answer is quite obvious: kill things as you go instead of running away and past them, it really is not difficult and it does not in fact add that much time to it. There's even an ACHIEVEMENT for killing Obsidian Warriors, this is the game telling you that you are SUPPOSED to fight your way through them and kill them.

FG2, everyone just PTEs after you collect the item (not in combat at this point, so unaffected by the change) and then port back in. Places you at the beginning where you fight the final boss and you skip all the annoying obsidian warriors without having to fight them. It's actually faster than running back.

Volenfell, though, is a legit problem because there are infinitely-spawning skeletons at the end that are a part of the quest, so if anyone is doing the quest, you'll be stuck in combat permanently.

Spindle 2 is another problem spot, because you remain in combat with the sacrifices (that you're not supposed to kill) even after the final boss is dead, and this generally makes leaving SC2 difficult at the end.

BahometZ

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

I'd have more respect for the sanctity of veteran content if zos fixed the numerous years old bugs that plague dungeons and trials. But to inflict this on the entire playerbase for the sake of pushing back on the two dozen players who care enough is on brand. The mind reels.

Zyva

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

the amount of bugs is atrocious in dungeon/trial content, and being able to just leave was one small way to live with them.

whitecrow

I have no clue what you're talking about

Wot

rpa

kringled_1 wrote: »

The enemies at the end of volenfell spawn infinitely. Killing them is not the solution.

When I did Volenfell first time I soloed (normal) without reading any guide. Was rather long fight before I gave up and walked away from it.

boi_anachronism_

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

code65536 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

this is only a quality of life downgrade for PVE

It was definitely being abused in unintended ways. For example, one strategy adopted by score-pushing groups in vHoF was to have the tank leave the instance when the Palm Strike mechanic starts. This cancels that mechanic--and the accompanying damage immunity--entirely, allowing for much faster kill times.

This is the kind of egregious abuse--where PTE was being used to bypass mechanics--that the change was targeting.

That having been said, PTE does have a lot of legitimate use cases, and this change is effectively throwing the baby out with the bathwater. A better solution would be for it to count as a death for score/achievement purposes, so that there would be no incentive to abuse it in those kinds of ways while preserving its utility for resetting and for working around stuck-in-combat bugs.

Only issue now is that when

Rasande_Robin wrote: »

Leaving should count towards vitality loss... problem fixed and everyone is happy.

Except zos as a huge issue with kicking players off the server mid run. This has happened to my trifecta prog teams a number of times...

zaria

kringled_1 wrote: »

The enemies at the end of volenfell spawn infinitely. Killing them is not the solution.

Did not think about that, but yes you are correct, If you need the quest you need to pass the door and if some start fighting you are stuck. Leaving group might work?

Necrotech_Master

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

zaria wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

The enemies at the end of volenfell spawn infinitely. Killing them is not the solution.

Did not think about that, but yes you are correct, If you need the quest you need to pass the door and if some start fighting you are stuck. Leaving group might work?

so the solution is disband and reform the group if you were running multiple dungeons with friends

so now we are reverted back to the old time consuming solution after having PTE method taken away

spartaxoxo

No, it massively slows down the process of resetting an instance when progging trifectas, and was the only workaround for many bugs

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

The enemies at the end of volenfell spawn infinitely. Killing them is not the solution.

Did not think about that, but yes you are correct, If you need the quest you need to pass the door and if some start fighting you are stuck. Leaving group might work?

so the solution is disband and reform the group if you were running multiple dungeons with friends

so now we are reverted back to the old time consuming solution after having PTE method taken away

What is PTE?