Does ESO ignore Bosmer and Redguard?

Rampeal

These two races, along with Argonian are some of my favorite, but they seem to be ignored. Let's start with their racial bonuses. They are some of the worst in the game. Especially the Redguard. They are just pure stamina builds with zero flexibility, not to mention the Bosmer's stealth detection, which I might add is only useful in PvP.

Now let's move on to the Lack of Chapter and DLC content. Every race has gotten a Chapter or DLC, but Bosmer and Redguard. Heck the Dunmer has gotten two chapters now (Morrowind & Necrom). Where is their Chapter or DLC? They just circled back around to the Dunmer with Necrom. Granted you could say that the Redguards have the Thieves Guild DLC, but just because it is set in Hew's Bane does not mean it is Redguard content. 90% of the questline have to do with the Thieves Guild and nothing to do with Redguards.

I know ESO works hard and produces Amazing content and I am thankful for that, but at the same time I wish they would expand more on the less popular races rather than chasing the golden goose.

Anyways rant over. What are your thoughts? Leave a comment down below.

LunaFlora

i am hoping for a bosmer chapter next year
it's honestly pretty sad all we have is the Stags of Z'en motif and a handful of crown store items

really hope it changes soon.

and i am kinda happy Necrom is way less focused on dunmer than i expected, i Love Apocrypha

laniakea_0

what bosmer chapter? all of Valenwood already is in the game. where would you place it? unless we can go where ever falinesti ended up, I don't think it's possible

TaSheen

Yeah, they do. It is what it is. Two of my favorite races.... *sigh*

LunaFlora

laniakea_0 wrote: »

what bosmer chapter? all of Valenwood already is in the game. where would you place it? unless we can go where ever falinesti ended up, I don't think it's possible

islands south of Valenwood that are on nearly every elder scrolls map.

please stop believing Valenwood being in the game means no bosmeri chapter as if bretons didn't get a chapter last year despite high rock also being in the game.

OtarTheMad

I wouldn’t mind a Bosmer chapter at all but hopefully not next year. Also, I learned a lot about Bosmers since AD zones are about 95% them and they aren’t really high on my list of favorite races.

Wouldn’t mind Hammerfell next year though if not Winterhold.

As for Redguards racial passives I agree but also Redguards aren’t a fan of magic, even more so than Orcs and Nords so there passives make sense since they are pretty much just warriors.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

laniakea_0 wrote: »

what bosmer chapter? all of Valenwood already is in the game. where would you place it? unless we can go where ever falinesti ended up, I don't think it's possible

Same thing could've been said about bretons, yet here we are with High Isle. They can just use the isles outside Valenwood.

Falinesti also exist somewhere.


Although as much as I want bosmer chapter, I dread ZOS' portrayal of them, going by base game and how High Isle was for bretons.

phaneub17_ESO

Fanatic Bosmer who take the Green Pact to the extreme! Eat everybody!

Vulkunne

Rampeal wrote: »

These two races, along with Argonian are some of my favorite, but they seem to be ignored. Let's start with their racial bonuses. They are some of the worst in the game. Especially the Redguard. They are just pure stamina builds with zero flexibility, not to mention the Bosmer's stealth detection, which I might add is only useful in PvP.

Now let's move on to the Lack of Chapter and DLC content. Every race has gotten a Chapter or DLC, but Bosmer and Redguard. Heck the Dunmer has gotten two chapters now (Morrowind & Necrom). Where is their Chapter or DLC? They just circled back around to the Dunmer with Necrom. Granted you could say that the Redguards have the Thieves Guild DLC, but just because it is set in Hew's Bane does not mean it is Redguard content. 90% of the questline have to do with the Thieves Guild and nothing to do with Redguards.

I know ESO works hard and produces Amazing content and I am thankful for that, but at the same time I wish they would expand more on the less popular races rather than chasing the golden goose.

Anyways rant over. What are your thoughts? Leave a comment down below.

Actually Bosmer is aside from Orc (of course) probably one of the best races in the game. Now Breton is interesting but I've always had great luck with Bosmer, I love their passives, I love how their changes finally turned out in the end. I think Bosmer is in a good place right now. Don't take this the wrong way however Bosmer is like not as advanced as Breton maybe but its very reliable, very strong. I feel the same way about Redguard.

Froil

Smh don't just say "random islands to the south". If ANYTHING, they should make Falinesti, especially with Necrom's ending

You fight Vaermina

. Basic idea: Falinesti is lost, and the Silvenar has seen it in a dream and we travel there via dreaming , but for Falinesti it's not a dream but reality. And please more Bosmeri styled motifs.

TaSheen

Froil wrote: »

Smh don't just say "random islands to the south". If ANYTHING, they should make Falinesti, especially with Necrom's ending

You fight Vaermina

. Basic idea: Falinesti is lost, and the Silvenar has seen it in a dream and we travel there via dreaming , but for Falinesti it's not a dream but reality. And please more Bosmeri styled motifs.

That's.... actually a great idea....

LunaFlora

Froil wrote: »

Smh don't just say "random islands to the south". If ANYTHING, they should make Falinesti, especially with Necrom's ending

You fight Vaermina

. Basic idea: Falinesti is lost, and the Silvenar has seen it in a dream and we travel there via dreaming , but for Falinesti it's not a dream but reality. And please more Bosmeri styled motifs.

they're not random islands to the south.
they're on tamriel's maps from Arena, Oblivion, and Skyrim. south of Valenwood specifically Greenshade's Drowned Coast.

two of the islands were going to be in the game as starter islands, then named Rictus and Coral island, apart of the Aldmeri Dominion quests right after Khenarthi's Roost
but that's cut content.

it's tamriel instead of a lost city that's likely in an oblivion realm. Falinesti would be awesome too but don't discount a very likely location for a bosmeri chapter. high isle was an island chapter too

Loralai_907

I also want more Bosmer content. We could have some super crazy Wild Hunt situation. We could delve super hard into the Green Pact. We could have some Falinesti content. We could do all of the above. They could add a bunch of new plans, motifs, and even food recipes! New Houses!! I would spend so much dang money lol.

But I don't think it would be worth the ten year anniversary content, whatever that ends up being. Not enough people love Bosmer content the way some of us do. But whenever they DO decide to give us more Bosmer things, I would be playing ESO allllll the time lol.

BlueRaven

Along with only one motif, Bosmer have not had a house added since housing began AND their base furniture is awful. Also no companion as of yet.

Hopefully their lack of companion gives them a chance the next chapter will be bosmer or Redguard. Only four races left, so the chapter should take place in bosmer, high elf, nord or orc territory (hopefully).

And yeah, their racials are awful too.

YstradClud

I thought Bosmer would be getting some more lore this time round, but Redguard will most likely get a lot of attention in ES6 if rumors are true. Either way Dark Elves can't complain anymore

Dr_Con

redguard isn't even that bad for stam

thedoodle_90

Their racials need work. Argonian Healing racial should be changed to DOT and HOT boost. This would give them a place as a dps. Wood Elf Pen racial is basically useless because of Pen Cap. Instead they need Crit+ This would make them useful for all roles. Redguard has insane stam regen but it needs something to make it not useless for magicka dps. Maybe a flat +% to direct damage?

Idk why ZOS keeps making dunmer content, the only reason dunnmer are so popular is because of how OP their racials are for both MDPS and SDPS as still useful for healing. Argonian and Bosmer have some of the best lore in the game. I would ADORE an argonian focused expansion. Redguard will probably have hammerfell soon, although I think the main ES game next game is set in hammerfell so maybe they are delaying it for that?

AnduinTryggva

thedoodle_90 wrote: »

Their racials need work. Argonian Healing racial should be changed to DOT and HOT boost. This would give them a place as a dps. Wood Elf Pen racial is basically useless because of Pen Cap. Instead they need Crit+ This would make them useful for all roles. Redguard has insane stam regen but it needs something to make it not useless for magicka dps. Maybe a flat +% to direct damage?

Idk why ZOS keeps making dunmer content, the only reason dunnmer are so popular is because of how OP their racials are for both MDPS and SDPS as still useful for healing. Argonian and Bosmer have some of the best lore in the game. I would ADORE an argonian focused expansion. Redguard will probably have hammerfell soon, although I think the main ES game next game is set in hammerfell so maybe they are delaying it for that?

Considering how actually Murkmire is such a beautifull region but so little to do I would not count it as equivalent attention that other races got. So I agree we could do well with some additional argonian chapters. I however feel that redguards and bosmer should be higher priority at the moment.
We surely don't need further dunmer stuff for quite a long time now. Same with Nord stuff or Altmeri or Breton.

Rampeal

thedoodle_90 wrote: »

Their racials need work. Argonian Healing racial should be changed to DOT and HOT boost. This would give them a place as a dps. Wood Elf Pen racial is basically useless because of Pen Cap. Instead they need Crit+ This would make them useful for all roles. Redguard has insane stam regen but it needs something to make it not useless for magicka dps. Maybe a flat +% to direct damage?

Idk why ZOS keeps making dunmer content, the only reason dunnmer are so popular is because of how OP their racials are for both MDPS and SDPS as still useful for healing. Argonian and Bosmer have some of the best lore in the game. I would ADORE an argonian focused expansion. Redguard will probably have hammerfell soon, although I think the main ES game next game is set in hammerfell so maybe they are delaying it for that?

Unfortunately I think they meant for Blackwood to be our Argonian chapter. We got Murkmire as a DLC, so we probably won't see any Argonian chapters for a long time. On another hand we may not see any more Argonian stuff, because Black Marsh especially in the center is unmapped and unexplored. It is so remote that the Argonians in the center of Black Marsh do not even know about other races. According to lore. Too bad, because there is supposedly winged Argonians deeper in Black Marsh.

Rampeal

BlueRaven wrote: »

Along with only one motif, Bosmer have not had a house added since housing began AND their base furniture is awful. Also no companion as of yet.

Hopefully their lack of companion gives them a chance the next chapter will be bosmer or Redguard. Only four races left, so the chapter should take place in bosmer, high elf, nord or orc territory (hopefully).

And yeah, their racials are awful too.

Agreed. There is almost zero flexibility. They are shoe horned into stamina based roles with no way out and with ESO focusing on hybridization, they are falling behind. At least the other stamina focused races have other bonuses to help a hybrid build. Orc has 258 base weapon/spell damage, Nords have their Resistances, and Imperials have their reduced cost to everything. Not to mention all three gets a good health bonus.

What do Bosmer/Redguard get? 2k stamina which equals to 200 weapon damage only. I mean Bosmer have 950 pen, but that is kind of a joke. It is a fraction compared to a Nords resistance bonus of 2600. And the Redguards are by far the worst. 8% reduced cost to weapon skills only, and restores stamina on hit... It is laughable when it comes to Hybrid Builds.

Redguards_Revenge

Is this a question? There's a reason why I named myself the way I named myself.: -}.

meekmiko

thedoodle_90 wrote: »

Redguard will probably have hammerfell soon, although I think the main ES game next game is set in hammerfell so maybe they are delaying it for that?

Weren't people speculating that it's High Rock from that teaser like 5 years ago? High Rock is Breton territory again, just like how Daggerfall was in the main series.
...Which if it is then it's definitely lame. Bretons are one of the most boring of TES races in my opinion. xD

Holycannoli

The rumor is Redguards will be the focus of the next Elder Scrolls game so maybe they're waiting for that to release before focusing on them in ESO.

Racial passives in general need adjusting again.

emilyhyoyeon

Dunmer getting +258 weapon damage but not redguards looks ridiculous. ALTMER get +258 weapon damage for the sake of hybridization but redguards can't get it for the sake of lore. It's comical.

SilverIce58

Rampeal wrote: »

thedoodle_90 wrote: »

Their racials need work. Argonian Healing racial should be changed to DOT and HOT boost. This would give them a place as a dps. Wood Elf Pen racial is basically useless because of Pen Cap. Instead they need Crit+ This would make them useful for all roles. Redguard has insane stam regen but it needs something to make it not useless for magicka dps. Maybe a flat +% to direct damage?

Idk why ZOS keeps making dunmer content, the only reason dunnmer are so popular is because of how OP their racials are for both MDPS and SDPS as still useful for healing. Argonian and Bosmer have some of the best lore in the game. I would ADORE an argonian focused expansion. Redguard will probably have hammerfell soon, although I think the main ES game next game is set in hammerfell so maybe they are delaying it for that?

Unfortunately I think they meant for Blackwood to be our Argonian chapter. We got Murkmire as a DLC, so we probably won't see any Argonian chapters for a long time. On another hand we may not see any more Argonian stuff, because Black Marsh especially in the center is unmapped and unexplored. It is so remote that the Argonians in the center of Black Marsh do not even know about other races. According to lore. Too bad, because there is supposedly winged Argonians deeper in Black Marsh.

Don't lose hope too fast. There's still Archon and Thorn on the eastern and northeastern (respectively) coasts. Helstrom might be a stretch to get any non-argonian into tho.

As far as Bosmer content goes, they could easily take one of the many islands around and inhabit it with Bosmer. There's a little island halfway between Thorn and Archon off the coast of Black Marsh that they could use. Just have to space it out a bit more. Maybe these Bosmer follow the Green Pact but with a way more swampy feeling to it. They could even give us Archon at the same time and have both Bosmer and Argonian lore added to the game.

Castagere

ESO would be a totally different game if they followed each race's lore with their passives. Redguard would have been the top DPS race in the game. But ZOS said screw that and tried to make them a weak tank with a sword and board passive. Which they never had. I don't think ZOS like the idea of them being the DPS race.

OtarTheMad

Holycannoli wrote: »

The rumor is Redguards will be the focus of the next Elder Scrolls game so maybe they're waiting for that to release before focusing on them in ESO.

Racial passives in general need adjusting again.

I think waiting on Bethesda would be a giant mistake. X Box and Activison are fighting in court and for some weird reason TES 6 came up and the XBox person said, in court, that TES 6 is 5 years away... so we are looking at 2027-2028 before the next Bethesda Elder Scrolls game.

About Bosmer and maybe doing something around Falinesti, that'd be cool... love to see the Imga but I would also love the Falinesti story to be part 1 of a multi-year story. So not 2024 for Bosmer, but 2025 would be sweet.

TinyDragon

laniakea_0 wrote: »

what bosmer chapter? all of Valenwood already is in the game. where would you place it? unless we can go where ever falinesti ended up, I don't think it's possible

The same could've been said for Bretons, but now we have High Isle........

Fata1moose

All of Valenwood is already in the game and they're obviously avoiding Hammerfell since it's TES VI and they'll want to make the zone accurate to the mainline game. I wouldn't want a Bosmer chapter unless they could do proper forests in ESO's engine. Until we get an upgrade there it would be underwhelming. Then they could do a remaster/remake all of the Valenwood zones and add the new chapter on top of it (while keeping all of the old content). They could also upgrade the assets in Reaper's March with Elsweyr assets for consistency.

thedoodle_90

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

Dunmer getting +258 weapon damage but not redguards looks ridiculous. ALTMER get +258 weapon damage for the sake of hybridization but redguards can't get it for the sake of lore. It's comical.

Its even more nuts that dunmer has the dual wield exp buff when redguard are the ones who use dual swords in like every game. In fact Dunmer should have +2k mag and 2k stam and maybe +status effect dmg.

Anumaril

I can't speak to Redgaurds, but I know that all of Valenwood is already on the map. So having a Chapter or DLC centred around the Bosmer is difficult if the idea is to release brand new zones for such things.

That being said, they could certainly revamp Valenwood's zones, and integrate a whole new Chapter's worth of content into the existing zones somehow, but it's a tall order, especially since many of the existing areas in Valenwood depend on the progress of the main storyline for that zone (think of the Shade of Naemon's shadow invasion of Greenshade, or the Wilderking storyline).

I wouldn't expect to see a Bosmer-centred Chapter or DLC until most of Tamriel has been mapped already and ZOS decides to revamp old zones, so not for many more years to come.