Why no pride event for ESO?

LunaFlora

anything that shows extra support would be nice.

though all these people commenting they don't want pride related things in eso are so absurd, plenty characters in elder scrolls arent straight/cis and they won a Glaad award with Alchemy's Summerset quest.

[snip]

[edited for baiting]

kargen27

I've been led to believe that ESO does a fairly descent job of in game inclusiveness year round. The game doesn't need to start attaching real life events to content in the game.

FeedbackOnly

Please no, It's fine as it is

rootkitronin

kargen27 wrote: »

I've been led to believe that ESO does a fairly descent job of in game inclusiveness year round. The game doesn't need to start attaching real life events to content in the game.

For all ZOS's faults (and there are many), they do a pretty decent job of being inclusive, have to give them that.

It's not always an easy line to walk either - while doing something pride related may be seen as positive by many, it can also be seen as pandering too, especially if any aspect of it is monetized, and ZOS rarely does anything without monetizing it.

Though I do like the idea of a Dibella celebration - doesn't have to be pride specific, could be 100% lore focused while still spreading the same message and awareness. I'm sure there are some very creative ideas out there.

Squeaky_Clean

Leave politics out of gaming.

ZOS_Hadeostry

Greetings,

After further review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic, as it's asking for an event.

Thank you for your understanding

AzuraFan

I don't want to see anything official in-game because ZOS doesn't do it for other similar real-world celebration days/months. If they start with one, when do they stop? I also think ZOS does a great job with having LGBT NPCs, which is a more natural way to be inclusive and supportive, IMO.

I'd be absolutely fine with player-organized pride events and celebrations.

FantasticFreddie

An event, nah, but some free dyes or a colorful costume would be fun

ZOS_Kevin

Hi All, thanks for reaching out about our efforts for Pride. Traditionally, we work to support our talented community members who run events for Pride. This year is no different! We'll have more to share later in the month on the community run events happening to support Pride, so stay tuned to the forum and our socials for more information.

Tommy_The_Gun

What is a "Pride event" ? Not trying to bait or something. I don't actually understand the term. Pride about what ? Being ESO player or something ?

Edit: Nvm, I googled it.
Well... I guess there is no in-game event like this simply because there is um... no in game event for non-pride people either, so I guess it balances itself out in a way. In the end I don't think it matters much. We are all equal

Braffin

Bo0137 wrote: »

I'm 100% ok with an event of sorts IF they make it related to the ES universe. Like they did with christmas, halloween, april's fool, worker's day...

Same for me. I could imagine some festivities attached to Dibella could be quite fitting for example.

boi_anachronism_

I agree that a skin or a dye would be nice but as a trans person myself i definitely play to escape the real world. Tes is really inclusive in a way that i love. It just has a world where lgbt folks exist and its not a big deal and i think thats great. I personally dont feel like an ostentatious event is needed but maybe make some mara or dibella related items be exclusive to june and i think that would be great and lore friendly as well. Just my 2 cents.

JavaRen

It's too bad the current event cycle rewards aren't Dibella themed.

Jammy420

LunaFlora wrote: »

anything that shows extra support would be nice.

though all these people commenting they don't want pride related things in eso are so absurd, plenty characters in elder scrolls arent straight/cis and they won a Glaad award with Alchemy's Summerset quest.

[snip]

I was thinking that too, like did they play the game? I was just kinda hesitant to point it out because I am just done with today.

FayJolyn wrote: »

I was hoping for the rainbow emote to make a comeback to the Crownstore this month. but according to the preview this month it seems to be no. ehh alas. I can live with that.

But to be fair I think the whole team is just really busy with getting Necrom launched smoothly so I can completely understand the choice to just sole focus on that.

That being said - Hey a little Twitter shoutout or maybe an acknowledgement of the community made pride events would be a fun and cute way to still acknowledge pride month. *hint hint* ^-^

Exactly, it doesnt have to be a full fleshed out event we need an update for. An emote, a memento, some free dyes, something.

Bo0137 wrote: »

I'm 100% ok with an event of sorts IF they make it related to the ES universe. Like they did with christmas, halloween, april's fool, worker's day...

I was hoping something like that one day, but from the comments I can see it will not happen. But an event involving dibella, mara, or sanguine would definitely fit the bill.

rootkitronin wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

I've been led to believe that ESO does a fairly descent job of in game inclusiveness year round. The game doesn't need to start attaching real life events to content in the game.

For all ZOS's faults (and there are many), they do a pretty decent job of being inclusive, have to give them that.

It's not always an easy line to walk either - while doing something pride related may be seen as positive by many, it can also be seen as pandering too, especially if any aspect of it is monetized, and ZOS rarely does anything without monetizing it.

Though I do like the idea of a Dibella celebration - doesn't have to be pride specific, could be 100% lore focused while still spreading the same message and awareness. I'm sure there are some very creative ideas out there.

Thank you. Means a lot to hear.

Squeaky_Clean wrote: »

Leave politics out of gaming.

People existing isnt politics. People making a big deal of people existing is politics. To be clear. And no I will not respond to further bait from ppl saying the same thing over and over.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

What is a "Pride event" ? Not trying to bait or something. I don't actually understand the term. Pride about what ? Being ESO player or something ?

Edit: Nvm, I googled it.
Well... I guess there is no in-game event like this simply because there is um... no in game event for non-pride people either, so I guess it balances itself out in a way. In the end I don't think it matters much. We are all equal

If it were so easy.

AzuraFan wrote: »

I don't want to see anything official in-game because ZOS doesn't do it for other similar real-world celebration days/months. If they start with one, when do they stop? I also think ZOS does a great job with having LGBT NPCs, which is a more natural way to be inclusive and supportive, IMO.

I'd be absolutely fine with player-organized pride events and celebrations.

We have a christmas event its just called something else, and several others that mirror IRL celebrations.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi All, thanks for reaching out about our efforts for Pride. Traditionally, we work to support our talented community members who run events for Pride. This year is no different! We'll have more to share later in the month on the community run events happening to support Pride, so stay tuned to the forum and our socials for more information.

I just dont believe in passing the buck though. There really is lots of room for a dibella event or something during pride month. Even a skin or dye would be good. Gold and random stuff from streamers is not the same thing really imo.

FayJolyn wrote: »

I was hoping for the rainbow emote to make a comeback to the Crownstore this month. but according to the preview this month it seems to be no. ehh alas. I can live with that.

But to be fair I think the whole team is just really busy with getting Necrom launched smoothly so I can completely understand the choice to just sole focus on that.

That being said - Hey a little Twitter shoutout or maybe an acknowledgement of the community made pride events would be a fun and cute way to still acknowledge pride month. *hint hint* ^-^

Exactly, it doesnt have to be a full fleshed out event we need an update for. An emote, a memento, some free dyes, something.

Bo0137 wrote: »

I'm 100% ok with an event of sorts IF they make it related to the ES universe. Like they did with christmas, halloween, april's fool, worker's day...

I was hoping something like that one day, but from the comments I can see it will not happen. But an event involving dibella, mara, or sanguine would definitely fit the bill.

[edited quote]

Vulkunne

Jammy420 wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

The main issue with it is I know that people like me come here to get away from things, alot of things not just one or two. To fall straight into the Elder Scrolls universe and take a break from reality and experience something different. Not to be hit with 'the message' or anything else similar as I know that could come from many different directions. Same reasons I no longer support certain movies and franchises. Its not their opinion that bothers me as much as I don't want these things in my entertainment.

Being reminded of politics and causes that I may not agree with is not fun and I can't see where every story has to be bent to accommodate any element that isn't native to that story.

ESO already has lots of lgbtq stuff in game, and we have the aedra Dibella and Mara, who both represent love and diversity, so it would by no means be lore breaking.

Never took issue with any of that. I believe in Greek Mythology and other such things there was 'gods' or even related people with similar personalities. Its just sometimes there are those who push an agenda for agenda sake and some of us don't want that. And there's a difference between someone being this way or that and someone else trying to uhh how do they say in France, "weaponize it"?

AzuraFan

Jammy420 wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

I don't want to see anything official in-game because ZOS doesn't do it for other similar real-world celebration days/months. If they start with one, when do they stop? I also think ZOS does a great job with having LGBT NPCs, which is a more natural way to be inclusive and supportive, IMO.

I'd be absolutely fine with player-organized pride events and celebrations.

We have a christmas event its just called something else, and several others that mirror IRL celebrations.

Apples and oranges. Holidays like Christmas aren't celebrating a specific group of people (don't say Christians because many people who aren't Christians celebrate Christmas, and it's not a holiday to celebrate Christians).

Pride celebrates a specific group of people (a group to which I belong). If ZOS were to do something official for Pride, they'd be pressured to do it for other months/days that celebrate a specific group. Also keep in mind that June isn't pride month everywhere in the world.

As I've said, player-organized events are cool (and it sounds like ZOS will support them, which is great), and I like the suggestions about Dibella.

If anything were ever to be done, it would have to be done in a way that includes everyone. After all, when it comes to ESO, does it matter if we're straight, LGBT, black, white, whatever? We're here because we like the game (or TES) and that's what makes us a community. I guess I don't want to see special treatment for one group of players (and again, I belong to that group!).

Mansquito

Not keen on it to be honest, I know most people couldn't give a damn how someone identifies or what sex they're attracted to, why do you have to remind others in Eso of it? [snip]

I'm glad people aren't ashamed of it and can be themselves, but celebrating it is just too political in my opinion and games/Eso provide an escape from the world, from politics, from personal matters, from family issues, from job issues, we can escape that for the short time we're on the game. I'd personally prefer to keep it that way.

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boi_anachronism_

Mansquito wrote: »

Not keen on it to be honest, I know most people couldn't give a damn how someone identifies or what sex they're attracted to, why do you have to remind others in Eso of it? [snip]

I'm glad people aren't ashamed of it and can be themselves, but celebrating it is just too political in my opinion and games/Eso provide an escape from the world, from politics, from personal matters, from family issues, from job issues, we can escape that for the short time we're on the game. I'd personally prefer to keep it that way.

Ok the second part i agree with the first i take issue with because that translates to a real world thing. Its not narcissism at all. Its a group of people who have been persecuted for centuries celebrating that they can and will be themselves in public without being shamed for it. There is an entire history to it and it is deserving of respect.

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Jammy420

Mansquito wrote: »

Not keen on it to be honest, I know most people couldn't give a damn how someone identifies or what sex they're attracted to, why do you have to remind others in Eso of it? [snip]

I'm glad people aren't ashamed of it and can be themselves, but celebrating it is just too political in my opinion and games/Eso provide an escape from the world, from politics, from personal matters, from family issues, from job issues, we can escape that for the short time we're on the game. I'd personally prefer to keep it that way.

[snip]

Mansquito wrote: »

Not keen on it to be honest, I know most people couldn't give a damn how someone identifies or what sex they're attracted to, why do you have to remind others in Eso of it? Kind of feels a little narcissistic to me.

I'm glad people aren't ashamed of it and can be themselves, but celebrating it is just too political in my opinion and games/Eso provide an escape from the world, from politics, from personal matters, from family issues, from job issues, we can escape that for the short time we're on the game. I'd personally prefer to keep it that way.

Video games are art. Art reflects the current world climate. Currently we are being attacked world wide for even existing, and are even being given the death penalty in some countries for it. Last I checked straight majorities weren't getting that treatment, so please.

[edited quote and for for baiting]

Jammy420

Vulkunne wrote: »

Jammy420 wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

The main issue with it is I know that people like me come here to get away from things, alot of things not just one or two. To fall straight into the Elder Scrolls universe and take a break from reality and experience something different. Not to be hit with 'the message' or anything else similar as I know that could come from many different directions. Same reasons I no longer support certain movies and franchises. Its not their opinion that bothers me as much as I don't want these things in my entertainment.

Being reminded of politics and causes that I may not agree with is not fun and I can't see where every story has to be bent to accommodate any element that isn't native to that story.

ESO already has lots of lgbtq stuff in game, and we have the aedra Dibella and Mara, who both represent love and diversity, so it would by no means be lore breaking.

Never took issue with any of that. I believe in Greek Mythology and other such things there was 'gods' or even related people with similar personalities. Its just sometimes there are those who push an agenda for agenda sake and some of us don't want that. And there's a difference between someone being this way or that and someone else trying to uhh how do they say in France, "weaponize it"?

Wanting to have some support from the company that runs your favorite game in a climate of hate against us is not pushing an agenda.

Orchish

Attacked world wide? You are celebrated world wide, just look at every single western company logo, embassy flag, schools, entire streets and even crossings are painted rainbow to celebrate pride. You are being attacked no more than anyone else. People play games for an escape. Leave it for player guilds to run and let ZoS focus on actually improving the game for everyone. Such as deleting a server to balance out PVP pops hint hint devs.

Jammy420

Orchish wrote: »

Attacked world wide? You are celebrated world wide, just look at every single western company logo, embassy flag, schools, entire streets and even crossings are painted rainbow to celebrate pride. You are being attacked no more than anyone else. People play games for an escape. Leave it for player guilds to run and let ZoS focus on actually improving the game for everyone. Such as deleting a server to balance out PVP pops hint hint devs.

Because we are attacked. Thats why. Forest meet trees.

jaws343

Jammy420 wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

Jammy420 wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

The main issue with it is I know that people like me come here to get away from things, alot of things not just one or two. To fall straight into the Elder Scrolls universe and take a break from reality and experience something different. Not to be hit with 'the message' or anything else similar as I know that could come from many different directions. Same reasons I no longer support certain movies and franchises. Its not their opinion that bothers me as much as I don't want these things in my entertainment.

Being reminded of politics and causes that I may not agree with is not fun and I can't see where every story has to be bent to accommodate any element that isn't native to that story.

ESO already has lots of lgbtq stuff in game, and we have the aedra Dibella and Mara, who both represent love and diversity, so it would by no means be lore breaking.

Never took issue with any of that. I believe in Greek Mythology and other such things there was 'gods' or even related people with similar personalities. Its just sometimes there are those who push an agenda for agenda sake and some of us don't want that. And there's a difference between someone being this way or that and someone else trying to uhh how do they say in France, "weaponize it"?

Wanting to have some support from the company that runs your favorite game in a climate of hate against us is not pushing an agenda.

I think it is a bit disengenious to say that ZOS doesn't support the community. They've created a fairly inclusive game that tells a variety of stories from all view points. It is as supportive as it could be.

That is far more valuable than some token gesture of in game skins or events. Companies who have to do token gestures like you are demanding are not companies who actually care at all about the community they are patting on the head.

Jessythesavage

LunaFlora wrote: »

anything that shows extra support would be nice.

though all these people commenting they don't want pride related things in eso are so absurd, plenty characters in elder scrolls arent straight/cis and they won a Glaad award with Alchemy's Summerset quest.

if you don't want us in elder scrolls online you shouldn't play a game full of characters like us

This is a video game there shouldn't be any type of irl event i hope yout joking

Jammy420

Jessythesavage wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

anything that shows extra support would be nice.

though all these people commenting they don't want pride related things in eso are so absurd, plenty characters in elder scrolls arent straight/cis and they won a Glaad award with Alchemy's Summerset quest.

if you don't want us in elder scrolls online you shouldn't play a game full of characters like us

This is a video game there shouldn't be any type of irl event i hope yout joking

Video games are art, art reflects the current problems in the world.This has been true since art was created. Representation for opressed minorities is important and a valid request.

Jammy420

jaws343 wrote: »

Jammy420 wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

Jammy420 wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

The main issue with it is I know that people like me come here to get away from things, alot of things not just one or two. To fall straight into the Elder Scrolls universe and take a break from reality and experience something different. Not to be hit with 'the message' or anything else similar as I know that could come from many different directions. Same reasons I no longer support certain movies and franchises. Its not their opinion that bothers me as much as I don't want these things in my entertainment.

Being reminded of politics and causes that I may not agree with is not fun and I can't see where every story has to be bent to accommodate any element that isn't native to that story.

ESO already has lots of lgbtq stuff in game, and we have the aedra Dibella and Mara, who both represent love and diversity, so it would by no means be lore breaking.

Never took issue with any of that. I believe in Greek Mythology and other such things there was 'gods' or even related people with similar personalities. Its just sometimes there are those who push an agenda for agenda sake and some of us don't want that. And there's a difference between someone being this way or that and someone else trying to uhh how do they say in France, "weaponize it"?

Wanting to have some support from the company that runs your favorite game in a climate of hate against us is not pushing an agenda.

I think it is a bit disengenious to say that ZOS doesn't support the community. They've created a fairly inclusive game that tells a variety of stories from all view points. It is as supportive as it could be.

That is far more valuable than some token gesture of in game skins or events. Companies who have to do token gestures like you are demanding are not companies who actually care at all about the community they are patting on the head.

Ok.

TheImperfect

I think there isn't one perhaps because it's not an Elder Scrolls universe event already and guilds can create their own events. I'd be open to some sort of event but honestly inclusivity is just not an issue in the Elder Scrolls universe already which is pretty much fully inclusive. It might also be a bit immersion breaking to bring real world events into ESO but I do accept it can be done as has with other things which have in game parallels.

Inaya1

So that you understand my position, I also partly relate to pride. I have my personal desires and tastes, but what exactly, I will not say. Not everyone likes it - if someone wants to know / unite for communication, write to me about it personally and that's it.

LGBTK+ is a private matter for everyone. And I am very glad that there are rules that protect our society from the uncontrolled destructive influence of individuals / agressive people groups. But. It's just a game. I do not want to see here a single mention of pride, LGBT, politics and other things, which in real life is full without it. This movement is extremely personal for every person, not for everyone. ("It's like being advised everywhere to "drink whiskey instead of water.").

You know, I also dream of some things in TESO that would make me a little happier, but I won't even try to suggest them - because most people won't like it. And I respect the opinion of the majority, I don't want to show it to them. I have my own place for this, not related to the game. If I want to make models, I do it, if I want to draw fanart, I do it and post it for myself and a small audience.

I don't want see that in game. Games outside of politics and other things. This is neutral territory.

AuraNebula

Jammy420 wrote: »

Jessythesavage wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

anything that shows extra support would be nice.

though all these people commenting they don't want pride related things in eso are so absurd, plenty characters in elder scrolls arent straight/cis and they won a Glaad award with Alchemy's Summerset quest.

if you don't want us in elder scrolls online you shouldn't play a game full of characters like us

This is a video game there shouldn't be any type of irl event i hope yout joking

Video games are art, art reflects the current problems in the world.This has been true since art was created. Representation for opressed minorities is important and a valid request.

I understand where you are coming from. I think there should be an official acknowledgement from the devs and it looks like they already responded that they will be doing something later this month. They are probably collecting screenshots and videos from guilds and players who are hosting pride events.

ESO does not celebrate real world holidays. There are the alternative in game holidays that correlate but not every holiday is celebrated. They aren't trying to slight the community.

I know the attacks on lgbtq community have been awful and rampant lately. People just want something to be angry about. Instead of focusing on real issues in politics some media outlets push this anti-lgbt narrative to distract people.

Make a giant in game event. Zos will post it and I would love to see it! You could even advertise it on the forums!!

Liguar

Squeaky_Clean wrote: »

Leave politics out of gaming.

Almost all storylines in ESO involve politics, much of which is comparable to real world storylines. So please keep the politics, otherwise it's gonna be really boring.

Not trying to provoke you specifically or anyone else here claiming the same thing, but every time I see people talking about how games should not have politics... it's like what they're really saying is that games shouldn't have politics they don't personally like.

Instead, make the argument that there is no need for pride in Tamriel because no NPC (that I know of) is discriminated against on the basis of their orientation (or is there someone, because I'm ready for the parade). Like, aside from all the cultists and murderous powerhungry villains, it's quite the rainbow utopia.

I think it's nice to be somewhere where people of whichever orientation are just normal, like every other hetero asking you to rescue their wife has never been considered political or rubbing a private relationship in the player's face.

Yes to Pride, but can we agree to boot out the arcanists?