spartaxoxo wrote: »Some people choose to take on the seals of endeavor as a daily chore because they want to and that's great. But it's not what the system is designed for and that playstyle shouldn't be forced on others who like the current design goal of the seals (which are purposefully designed so that you skip activities for which you would be putting in a lot of effort to complete).
SilverBride wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »Some people choose to take on the seals of endeavor as a daily chore because they want to and that's great. But it's not what the system is designed for and that playstyle shouldn't be forced on others who like the current design goal of the seals (which are purposefully designed so that you skip activities for which you would be putting in a lot of effort to complete).
We don't know what the system was designed for. Just because they say a lot of endeavors will complete just from playing as we usually play doesn't mean that they didn't also realize that many players would make a conscious effort to complete these because that is how they play.
I even remember seeing a suggestion in a previous thread that players be allowed to complete all of the endeavors, even if they don't receive seals for them, just because they enjoy completing these.
There is no right or wrong way to do these.
SilverBride wrote: »The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.
SilverBride wrote: »The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.
But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.
Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.
A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.
There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.
SilverBride wrote: »The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.
But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.
Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.
A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.
There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.
Carcamongus wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.
But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.
Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.
A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.
There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.
Let's keep in mind not everyone has a DPS build, so completing nMA or nVH in 20 minutes isn't for everyone.
If you want more time consuming endeavours to be worth more seals, then the trade off has to be that something like 'complete one quest' is only worth 2 - 5 seals.
Carcamongus wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.
But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.
Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.
A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.
There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.
Let's keep in mind not everyone has a DPS build, so completing nMA or nVH in 20 minutes isn't for everyone.
Carcamongus wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.
But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.
Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.
A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.
There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.
Let's keep in mind not everyone has a DPS build, so completing nMA or nVH in 20 minutes isn't for everyone.
I don't see how that is relevant to something being viable as a daily option.
Some people don't do antiquities, or steal, or craft, or "insert X activity." That doesn't make any of those options not a daily option to do.
Just like arenas. A player choice to not have a DPS character should have zero standing on the activity being an option as a daily. It is a daily activity, and can be completed in a reasonable amount of time by players who are properly prepared for the content. Just like any other content I listed.
spartaxoxo wrote: »Carcamongus wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.
But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.
Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.
A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.
There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.
Let's keep in mind not everyone has a DPS build, so completing nMA or nVH in 20 minutes isn't for everyone.
This is why they are all worth the same and the person who would be going out of their way should skip the arena. The current system already addresses this.
Carcamongus wrote: »Carcamongus wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.
But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.
Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.
A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.
There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.
Let's keep in mind not everyone has a DPS build, so completing nMA or nVH in 20 minutes isn't for everyone.
I don't see how that is relevant to something being viable as a daily option.
Some people don't do antiquities, or steal, or craft, or "insert X activity." That doesn't make any of those options not a daily option to do.
Just like arenas. A player choice to not have a DPS character should have zero standing on the activity being an option as a daily. It is a daily activity, and can be completed in a reasonable amount of time by players who are properly prepared for the content. Just like any other content I listed.spartaxoxo wrote: »Carcamongus wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.
But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.
Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.
A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.
There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.
Let's keep in mind not everyone has a DPS build, so completing nMA or nVH in 20 minutes isn't for everyone.
This is why they are all worth the same and the person who would be going out of their way should skip the arena. The current system already addresses this.
I wasn't addressing whether or not they're valid or their rewards. I was addressing the common argument that arenas aren't time consuming because they take 20 minutes to complete.
SilverBride wrote: »The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.
spartaxoxo wrote: »BenevolentBowd wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »I've never seen an arena for a daily endeavor. I'm calling BS (BenevolentBowd's Suspicion) on this.
According to UESP, an arena has been the daily at least once as they have a list of all the activities that has been the daily endeavor. I can't figure out how to do a quick search of @BenevolentBowd 's calendar to figure out if that is accurate though.
EDIT:
Actually, I just decided to click a random time period on Benevolent Bowd's website and scroll around to see if I got lucky to see an arena as the daily and I did. So, this was the daily endeavors for Feb 21st of this year. As you can see, most of them were pretty easy that day and the arena was easily skipped.
Unfortunately, there is no way for someone else to search the history directly on the site. You could probably add the calendar to your google calendar and then search it. Here are the dates with "trial" in the endeavor. There may be one or two craft Trial by Fire Set endeavors.
Thanks for the quick response ✨🌟🙏
Could you show us arena as well please?
BenevolentBowd wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »BenevolentBowd wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »I've never seen an arena for a daily endeavor. I'm calling BS (BenevolentBowd's Suspicion) on this.
According to UESP, an arena has been the daily at least once as they have a list of all the activities that has been the daily endeavor. I can't figure out how to do a quick search of @BenevolentBowd 's calendar to figure out if that is accurate though.
EDIT:
Actually, I just decided to click a random time period on Benevolent Bowd's website and scroll around to see if I got lucky to see an arena as the daily and I did. So, this was the daily endeavors for Feb 21st of this year. As you can see, most of them were pretty easy that day and the arena was easily skipped.
Unfortunately, there is no way for someone else to search the history directly on the site. You could probably add the calendar to your google calendar and then search it. Here are the dates with "trial" in the endeavor. There may be one or two craft Trial by Fire Set endeavors.
Thanks for the quick response ✨🌟🙏
Could you show us arena as well please?
Daily Arena endeavors
Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »In case people have not noticed the pattern before, the "complete a trial" daily endeavor normally occurs on a Saturday, presumably because that is when the most players actually have some extra time to try join a trial group.
In my case, I normally complete two or three of the OTHER daily endeavors instead for lack of time, but there are still a few trials that I have not completed (in normal) yet on my PC/EU toon. Having this as one of the endeavors is an extra (small) incentive to try out a trial; and for me, it's also a reminder to try see if I can find a nSO or nAS group or similar, to check those off the list.
SilverBride wrote: »It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that they are very time consuming and a reward of 15 seals is not adequate compensation, especially when compared to other daily endeavors such as do two quests or gather 10 resources.
MreeBiPolar wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that they are very time consuming and a reward of 15 seals is not adequate compensation, especially when compared to other daily endeavors such as do two quests or gather 10 resources.
"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it."
Seriously.
MreeBiPolar wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that they are very time consuming and a reward of 15 seals is not adequate compensation, especially when compared to other daily endeavors such as do two quests or gather 10 resources.
"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it."
Seriously.
SilverBride wrote: »"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it players that choose to do the arena daily endeavor are being greatly undercompensated for the time and effort they put into doing it."
"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it players that choose to do the arena daily endeavor are being greatly undercompensated for the time and effort they put into doing it."
SilverBride wrote: »MreeBiPolar wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that they are very time consuming and a reward of 15 seals is not adequate compensation, especially when compared to other daily endeavors such as do two quests or gather 10 resources.
"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it."
Seriously.
"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it players that choose to do the arena daily endeavor are being greatly undercompensated for the time and effort they put into doing it."
SilverBride wrote: »"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it players that choose to do the arena daily endeavor are being greatly undercompensated for the time and effort they put into doing it."
The arena compensates for the time and effort with lots of loot and XP. You are not supposed to do it for the endeavor allone.
Here’s how it works: When you log in, you’ll automatically receive various daily and weekly Endeavors that ask you to complete different tasks. These tasks vary across the different play styles and in-game activities. Here’s some examples of the kinds of tasks Endeavors might ask you to do:
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These are just some of the activities you might be asked to do to complete your Endeavors. Often, they’ll be things you’re already doing in your regular ESO adventures.
The number of daily or weekly Endeavors you can complete each day or week will vary, so be sure to check what the cap currently is and work out which of the available Endeavors you’d like to take on. This is to ensure that everybody, regardless of their play style, has an opportunity to earn the new currency without having to complete activities they don’t necessarily enjoy.