Why are some daily endeavors so time-consuming ?

SilverBride

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Some people choose to take on the seals of endeavor as a daily chore because they want to and that's great. But it's not what the system is designed for and that playstyle shouldn't be forced on others who like the current design goal of the seals (which are purposefully designed so that you skip activities for which you would be putting in a lot of effort to complete).

We don't know what the system was designed for. Just because they say a lot of endeavors will complete just from playing as we usually play doesn't mean that they didn't also realize that many players would make a conscious effort to complete these because that is how they play.

I even remember seeing a suggestion in a previous thread that players be allowed to complete all of the endeavors, even if they don't receive seals for them, just because they enjoy completing these.

There is no right or wrong way to do these.

Zodiarkslayer

Like it or not Endeavours are part of ESOs reward structure. And that is disproportionate and inconsistent.
Has been for years, really.

spartaxoxo

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Some people choose to take on the seals of endeavor as a daily chore because they want to and that's great. But it's not what the system is designed for and that playstyle shouldn't be forced on others who like the current design goal of the seals (which are purposefully designed so that you skip activities for which you would be putting in a lot of effort to complete).

We don't know what the system was designed for. Just because they say a lot of endeavors will complete just from playing as we usually play doesn't mean that they didn't also realize that many players would make a conscious effort to complete these because that is how they play.

I even remember seeing a suggestion in a previous thread that players be allowed to complete all of the endeavors, even if they don't receive seals for them, just because they enjoy completing these.

There is no right or wrong way to do these.

We know it was designed so you could skip endeavors that didn't suit your playstyle and that they didn't want it to become a chore task because they actually did tell us that at some point in a stream. They wanted it to be for everyone and they wanted people to feel empowered to skip things they didn't want to do. That's the reason we only need to do 3 of the 5 to max out seals as well. They really highlighted that it would be something that could accumulate in the background as a major selling point of the feature.

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with wanting to do them all each day. I actually usually try to get them all done myself. It's actually why I feel so strongly about it.

One of the reasons I love getting them all done is because I really feel like they are easy to incorporate into what I wanted to do that day anyway. On some days I actually login specifically to do arenas, trials, and dungeons. And when that happens to align with the endeavor, it's awesome. But, there are other days where I'm not feeling the best or just not in the mood to do something challenging. And even when the arena happens to be the endeavor that day, I just skip it and do something else. And I still get that nice feeling of having got the max seals that day.

If it stopped being about what I wanted to do that day and started being something I am forced to particular things to maximize rewards, I might like it at the start. After all, who doesn't like more seals? But then it would start to really irritate me because suddenly I'd be forced into content I didn't want to do every single time I played if I wanted to maximize rewards. Unlike other dailies and events there'd be no end in sight either.

Eventually, I would get tired of bothering with it and stop doing seals altogether. That's how the cycle feels for all the other dailies like the world boss dailies. And that would be a shame because this is the first daily task thing in this game I never got tired of. And I believe that a lot of that has to do with how players are truly empowered to choose anything they want. It's not a big deal to miss days and there's no punishment for doing the "wrong" task. You just do what you want, when you want, and get rewarded.

SilverBride

The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.

jaws343

SilverBride wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.

But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.

Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.

A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.

There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.

SilverBride

jaws343 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.

But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.

Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.

A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.

There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.

Normal Maelstrom takes me an hour minimum on my best character, whereas I can solo Fungal Grotto in 10 minutes. I've never gotten close to completing Vateshran and am really turned off by that place, so that is not an option for me either.

opalcity

If you want more time consuming endeavours to be worth more seals, then the trade off has to be that something like 'complete one quest' is only worth 2 - 5 seals.

Carcamongus

jaws343 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.

But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.

Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.

A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.

There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.

Let's keep in mind not everyone has a DPS build, so completing nMA or nVH in 20 minutes isn't for everyone.

jaws343

Carcamongus wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.

But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.

Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.

A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.

There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.

Let's keep in mind not everyone has a DPS build, so completing nMA or nVH in 20 minutes isn't for everyone.

I don't see how that is relevant to something being viable as a daily option.

Some people don't do antiquities, or steal, or craft, or "insert X activity." That doesn't make any of those options not a daily option to do.

Just like arenas. A player choice to not have a DPS character should have zero standing on the activity being an option as a daily. It is a daily activity, and can be completed in a reasonable amount of time by players who are properly prepared for the content. Just like any other content I listed.

spartaxoxo

opalcity wrote: »

If you want more time consuming endeavours to be worth more seals, then the trade off has to be that something like 'complete one quest' is only worth 2 - 5 seals.

This is exactly how that would work if the system was changed so seals were rewarded based on difficulty of completion. I understand wanting the arena removed from the daily because someone thinks the arena isn't an appropriate level of difficultly compared to all other endeavors, but that is a very different ask to the endeavors being changed so that the payout of seals is based on the task's difficulty. The latter does not remove arena from the rotation, it just makes it basically mandatory every day it's available because it would be considered a harder difficulty than most other endeavors.

The dailies would start to look like this:

Complete an Arena 50 seals
Complete a dungeon 15 seals
Inflict an enemy with poison 10 seals
Complete a quest 5 seals
Win a duel 50 seals

And everyone looking to maximize their deals would HAVE to do an Arena, Dungeon, and Duel that day. Complete a quest would not be a real option and you'd have to avoid the pledge so as not to complete the quest.

spartaxoxo

Carcamongus wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.

But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.

Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.

A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.

There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.

Let's keep in mind not everyone has a DPS build, so completing nMA or nVH in 20 minutes isn't for everyone.

This is why they are all worth the same and the person who would be going out of their way should skip the arena. The current system already addresses this.

katanagirl1

I like to think of it not FOMO but more like “challenge accepted”, lol

Carcamongus

jaws343 wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.

But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.

Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.

A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.

There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.

Let's keep in mind not everyone has a DPS build, so completing nMA or nVH in 20 minutes isn't for everyone.

I don't see how that is relevant to something being viable as a daily option.

Some people don't do antiquities, or steal, or craft, or "insert X activity." That doesn't make any of those options not a daily option to do.

Just like arenas. A player choice to not have a DPS character should have zero standing on the activity being an option as a daily. It is a daily activity, and can be completed in a reasonable amount of time by players who are properly prepared for the content. Just like any other content I listed.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.

But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.

Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.

A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.

There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.

Let's keep in mind not everyone has a DPS build, so completing nMA or nVH in 20 minutes isn't for everyone.

This is why they are all worth the same and the person who would be going out of their way should skip the arena. The current system already addresses this.

I wasn't addressing whether or not they're valid or their rewards. I was addressing the common argument that arenas aren't time consuming because they take 20 minutes to complete.

jaws343

Carcamongus wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.

But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.

Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.

A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.

There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.

Let's keep in mind not everyone has a DPS build, so completing nMA or nVH in 20 minutes isn't for everyone.

I don't see how that is relevant to something being viable as a daily option.

Some people don't do antiquities, or steal, or craft, or "insert X activity." That doesn't make any of those options not a daily option to do.

Just like arenas. A player choice to not have a DPS character should have zero standing on the activity being an option as a daily. It is a daily activity, and can be completed in a reasonable amount of time by players who are properly prepared for the content. Just like any other content I listed.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.

But, they really aren't though. Not anymore time consuming that a daily random dungeon can be.

Normal Maelstrom takes like 20 minutes to do. Normal Vateshran takes like 20 minutes to do.

A random dungeon in the dungeon finder, something a lot of people do daily, could take an hour if you end up in the wrong dungeon.

There is no reason an arena that takes under a half hour to do should not be considered as part of a daily activity. Especially one that shows up here and there, and not really regularly at all.

Let's keep in mind not everyone has a DPS build, so completing nMA or nVH in 20 minutes isn't for everyone.

This is why they are all worth the same and the person who would be going out of their way should skip the arena. The current system already addresses this.

I wasn't addressing whether or not they're valid or their rewards. I was addressing the common argument that arenas aren't time consuming because they take 20 minutes to complete.

But you did it by saying that someone without a DPS build would take a long time to do it.

Well, yeah. And a person without bait would be unable to fish.

Again, if you are properly prepared for the content, it is not time consuming.

kargen27

SilverBride wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make is that arenas and other similar activities are time consuming and should reward more seals for the effort required. In my opinion this makes them inappropriate for a daily endeavor because they are worth way more seals than they can be rewarded as a daily.

Having five to choose from and only needing three makes this mostly a non issue. Just skip the arena and do three out of the remaining four.

BenevolentBowd

spartaxoxo wrote: »

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Kite42 wrote: »

I've never seen an arena for a daily endeavor. I'm calling BS (BenevolentBowd's Suspicion) on this.

According to UESP, an arena has been the daily at least once as they have a list of all the activities that has been the daily endeavor. I can't figure out how to do a quick search of @BenevolentBowd 's calendar to figure out if that is accurate though.

EDIT:

Actually, I just decided to click a random time period on Benevolent Bowd's website and scroll around to see if I got lucky to see an arena as the daily and I did. So, this was the daily endeavors for Feb 21st of this year. As you can see, most of them were pretty easy that day and the arena was easily skipped.

Unfortunately, there is no way for someone else to search the history directly on the site. You could probably add the calendar to your google calendar and then search it. Here are the dates with "trial" in the endeavor. There may be one or two craft Trial by Fire Set endeavors.

Thanks for the quick response ✨🌟🙏
Could you show us arena as well please?

Daily Arena endeavors

spartaxoxo

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Kite42 wrote: »

I've never seen an arena for a daily endeavor. I'm calling BS (BenevolentBowd's Suspicion) on this.

According to UESP, an arena has been the daily at least once as they have a list of all the activities that has been the daily endeavor. I can't figure out how to do a quick search of @BenevolentBowd 's calendar to figure out if that is accurate though.

EDIT:

Actually, I just decided to click a random time period on Benevolent Bowd's website and scroll around to see if I got lucky to see an arena as the daily and I did. So, this was the daily endeavors for Feb 21st of this year. As you can see, most of them were pretty easy that day and the arena was easily skipped.

Unfortunately, there is no way for someone else to search the history directly on the site. You could probably add the calendar to your google calendar and then search it. Here are the dates with "trial" in the endeavor. There may be one or two craft Trial by Fire Set endeavors.

Thanks for the quick response ✨🌟🙏
Could you show us arena as well please?

Daily Arena endeavors

Thank you very much! That's really interesting. Looks like we haven't had it all this month!

Pyr0xyrecuprotite

In case people have not noticed the pattern before, the "complete a trial" daily endeavor normally occurs on a Saturday, presumably because that is when the most players actually have some extra time to try join a trial group.

In my case, I normally complete two or three of the OTHER daily endeavors instead for lack of time, but there are still a few trials that I have not completed (in normal) yet on my PC/EU toon. Having this as one of the endeavors is an extra (small) incentive to try out a trial; and for me, it's also a reminder to try see if I can find a nSO or nAS group or similar, to check those off the list.

spartaxoxo

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

In case people have not noticed the pattern before, the "complete a trial" daily endeavor normally occurs on a Saturday, presumably because that is when the most players actually have some extra time to try join a trial group.

In my case, I normally complete two or three of the OTHER daily endeavors instead for lack of time, but there are still a few trials that I have not completed (in normal) yet on my PC/EU toon. Having this as one of the endeavors is an extra (small) incentive to try out a trial; and for me, it's also a reminder to try see if I can find a nSO or nAS group or similar, to check those off the list.

I had not noticed the pattern, so thank you for pointing that out. I was curious, so I reorganized the list that BenevolentBowD so generously provided for us. For the purposes of the list, I didn't count the little run-over time where it's the next day but the server hasn't been reset yet. It seems like you're indeed correct. Interestingly, it seems like the vast majority of the trial daily endeavors did fall on Saturday. And some months it was every Saturday. I think some casual guilds (the ones that don't do vet trials or only crag vets) should consider making Saturday their normal trial run day so more people can get that done as a daily endeavor!


Other interesting things I noticed were that they didn't really seem to care if a date was a holiday or not. New Year's Eve 2022, Christmas 2021, and Christmas Eve 2022 all had trials for endeavors. Sunday and Tuesday are the only two days that have never had a trial endeavor for the majority of the day.

Monday

May 16th, 2022, and October 24th, 2022

Tuesday

Wednesday

February 16th, 2022; April 6th, 2022; and April 25th, 2023

Thursday
January 6th, 2022; April 28th, 2022; and June 9th, 2022

Friday

March 4th, 2022; June 17th, 2022; February 10th, 2023; February 17th, 2023; February 24th, 2023; and March 3rd, 2023

Saturday

December 25th, 2021; April 16th, 2022; June 4th, 2022; July 2nd, 2022; July 9th, 2022; July 16th, 2022; July 23rd, 2022; August 27th, 2022; September 10th, 2022; September 17th, 2022; September 24th, 2022; October 8th, 2022; October 15th, 2022; November 5th, 2022; November 12th, 2022; November 19th, 2022; November 26th, 2022; December 3rd, 2022; December 10th, 2022; December 17th, 2022; December 24th, 2022; December 31st, 2022; January 7th, 2023; January 14th, 2023; January 21st, 2023; January 28th, 2023; February 4th, 2023; March 11th, 2023; March 18th, 2023; March 25th, 2023; April 1st, 2023; April 8th, 2023; April 15th, 2023; and April 22nd, 2023

Sunday

kargen27

With the luck I had tonight I think I could have run an arena quicker than I inflicted how every many enemies it was with poison. Seems my poison rarely inflicts anything.

MreeBiPolar

SilverBride wrote: »

It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that they are very time consuming and a reward of 15 seals is not adequate compensation, especially when compared to other daily endeavors such as do two quests or gather 10 resources.

"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it."

Seriously.

Trejgon

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that they are very time consuming and a reward of 15 seals is not adequate compensation, especially when compared to other daily endeavors such as do two quests or gather 10 resources.

"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it."

Seriously.

Just in case you do realize that "daily" arena endeavor is a duplicate of a weekly arena endeavor except with a tiny fraction of rewards?

adriant1978

They are time consuming because ZOS want you to say "forget this, I'll just buy Crowns".

The endeavour system allows them to say "look, FTP folks can have nice things too" but it's always going to be less convenient than just paying $$$.

SilverBride

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that they are very time consuming and a reward of 15 seals is not adequate compensation, especially when compared to other daily endeavors such as do two quests or gather 10 resources.

"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it."

Seriously.

"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it players that choose to do the arena daily endeavor are being greatly undercompensated for the time and effort they put into doing it."

Katlefiya

SilverBride wrote: »

"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it players that choose to do the arena daily endeavor are being greatly undercompensated for the time and effort they put into doing it."

The arena compensates for the time and effort with lots of loot and XP. You are not supposed to do it for the endeavor allone.

thorwyn

"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it players that choose to do the arena daily endeavor are being greatly undercompensated for the time and effort they put into doing it."

As someone else said, it takes 20 minutes to run nMA. The fact that you can't do that in under an hour is completely irrelevant because your skill level is not the benchmark for ESO.

colossalvoids

SilverBride wrote: »

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that they are very time consuming and a reward of 15 seals is not adequate compensation, especially when compared to other daily endeavors such as do two quests or gather 10 resources.

"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it."

Seriously.

"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it players that choose to do the arena daily endeavor are being greatly undercompensated for the time and effort they put into doing it."

Players doing arenas are not requiring more "compensation", as that's something they're already enjoying and endeavour is just an extra icing on top, not the point of doing it. If you feel like it's not worth your personal time, there's a choice involved.

SilverBride

Katlefiya wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

"It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that I don't like it players that choose to do the arena daily endeavor are being greatly undercompensated for the time and effort they put into doing it."

The arena compensates for the time and effort with lots of loot and XP. You are not supposed to do it for the endeavor allone.

Where is this written?

spartaxoxo

Here’s how it works: When you log in, you’ll automatically receive various daily and weekly Endeavors that ask you to complete different tasks. These tasks vary across the different play styles and in-game activities. Here’s some examples of the kinds of tasks Endeavors might ask you to do:

-snipped for brevity-

These are just some of the activities you might be asked to do to complete your Endeavors. Often, they’ll be things you’re already doing in your regular ESO adventures.

The number of daily or weekly Endeavors you can complete each day or week will vary, so be sure to check what the cap currently is and work out which of the available Endeavors you’d like to take on. This is to ensure that everybody, regardless of their play style, has an opportunity to earn the new currency without having to complete activities they don’t necessarily enjoy.

The people already doing arenas for the arena rewards are getting this as a small background reward for completing an activity they were already completing anyway. Players are supposed to skip them if they don't enjoy arenas. That's why there is no penalty for skipping 2 of the 5. And why the seals are all the same no matter what. These are meant to be small background rewards that give players a nice little bonus for activities they are already doing. They are small and the same so that players don't feel they need to complete activities they don't want to in order to get rewards.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/59925


For some players that are doing these constantly anyway, this is actually one of the easiest endeavors. Because they don't need to make extra time to do it. They were already going to be doing it anyway. They are meant to reward different playstyles.

SilverBride

I never said that there shouldn't be varied activities for daily endeavors. I will never do the arena one myself because I find arenas tedious at best. But despite my distaste for them I am standing up for those that do enjoy them and advocating that they are worth more seals than they are getting.

If they can't reward them more seals as a daily then keep the arena endeavors as weekly. If players that enjoy arenas are doing them anyway what difference does it make to them if they are a daily or a weekly? Why wouldn't they want more seals for doing something they enjoy?