Why are some daily endeavors so time-consuming ?

vsrs_au

When I see a daily endeavour for a trial or arena, my first (and only) reaction is: "You must be joking". What's the point of doing a daily endeavour involving that much work, for a reward of only 15 endeavour seals ? For a lot of us, trials and arenas aren't trivial activities, and we struggle to find the time to do them. I wish I knew why these are sometimes offered as daily endeavours.

Necrotech_Master

for most trials, i find the most time consuming part is just forming the group, because you need to get 12 people together, but not all trials take long, you could probably do a asylum or normal cloudrest in <20 min assuming everyone knows what they are doing (though it can take 20-40 min to just form the group depending on close you are to primetime)

arenas certainly i would agree are time consuming, about the fastest i can do an arena would be maelstrom or vateshran on normal, and its still about 30-35 minutes (blackrose prison and dragonstar usually take closer to an hour)

i think its more for variety, some people do run trials every day (there were a few weeks after the dreadsail trial released i was doing trials 5 days a week), and i think the idea is that at least 1 endeavor is something most people could get during a normal play session, and then the rest are flavor activities (1 pvp, 1 group, etc)

i dont do the trials for an endeavor, im usually already doing a trial that day and it happens coincidentally so i dont have to look for another endeavor to do

Trejgon

Wait there is a daily endeavour in rotation for completion of arena?

There literally is a "Complete 1 Arena" weekly endeavour in rotation (that's how I got around to do my first maelstrom - to clear that weekly), having a duplicate of that as a daily is flat out silly.

lemonizzle

need more of those "use 2 mementos - 15 endeavor" ones..

Ei8htba11

You don't have to do them.

I don't chase the daily or weekly endeavours, I get them by doing other stuff. If I do get them, great. If I miss one.. so what. Eventually just by playing you'll collect points.

Hapexamendios

I do the dailies that can be done quickly. If they can't, I ignore them.

disintegr8

I never even look at the daily/weekly endeavours and often complete them without even trying. Having said that I do run most content on a frequent basis, undaunted dailies, guild quests, trials, PVP, etc., so have a better chance to do that than a lot of people.

As has been said, they are not compulsory and missing one or two here or there is far better than stressing over it.

vsrs_au

Ei8htba11 wrote: »

You don't have to do them.

I don't chase the daily or weekly endeavours, I get them by doing other stuff. If I do get them, great. If I miss one.. so what. Eventually just by playing you'll collect points.

I'm getting a bit fed up with people saying I don't have to do endeavours. There are some Crown Store items that I don't want to pay real money for, I want to accumulate in-game currency and use that. I refuse to support the in-game gambling mechanism by buying Crown Crates with real money, then hoping I get enough gems to buy these items I want. That means I do have to do the endeavours if I want those items, because that's how the game is designed.

SilverBride

It doesn't matter that we don't have to do them. That isn't the issue.

If they started making the rewards for veteran trials all blue quality there would be an upheaval about the rewards not being comparable for the time and effort to earn them. Why should endeavors be any different?

Kite42

I've never seen an arena for a daily endeavor. I'm calling BS (BenevolentBowd's Suspicion) on this.

spartaxoxo

Because these are activities that many people would be doing anyway, and those people will get credit in the background for completing those endeavors. They aren't meant to be done by players that wouldn't be doing them normally. That's why there are 5 choices. They have credited activities that people do regularly across many different types of playstyles. There are people in this game who pretty much only do Trials, Arenas, and Dungeons because they prefer group content.

spartaxoxo

Kite42 wrote: »

I've never seen an arena for a daily endeavor. I'm calling BS (BenevolentBowd's Suspicion) on this.

According to UESP, an arena has been the daily at least once as they have a list of all the activities that has been the daily endeavor. I can't figure out how to do a quick search of @BenevolentBowd 's calendar to figure out if that is accurate though.

EDIT:

Actually, I just decided to click a random time period on Benevolent Bowd's website and scroll around to see if I got lucky to see an arena as the daily and I did. So, this was the daily endeavors for Feb 21st of this year. As you can see, most of them were pretty easy that day and the arena was easily skipped.

SilverBride

It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that they are very time consuming and a reward of 15 seals is not adequate compensation, especially when compared to other daily endeavors such as do two quests or gather 10 resources.

spartaxoxo

SilverBride wrote: »

It doesn't matter how often an arena is the daily endeavor. It doesn't matter if some players do these every day. What matters is that they are very time consuming and a reward of 15 seals is not adequate compensation, especially when compared to other daily endeavors such as do two quests or gather 10 resources.

It does matter because the point of them is to be something that rewards players in the background for doing the activities they normally would do. And the reward is supposed to be small enough that players don't feel compelled to get them all each day. The rewards are intentionally the same no matter the activity, and we are supposed to skip endeavors on days where we'd have to go significantly out of our way to do them. Since that's the case, they don't want players to feel bad about missing out e.g. "It's only 15 seals not worth it"

rpa

Time consuming endeavors are for people who do the activity anyway. Usually there is something to cheese for people who would melt into a puddle of sticky fuming liquid from missing out. Others do what they want and do not what they are not interested of.

SilverBride

They know that a lot of players will feel compelled to complete them every day, and not just let them complete or not in the background. I actively do them every day because I don't often buy things with crowns and rely on seals for these items, besides just having the satisfaction of completing the task.

But regardless, the reward should be comparable with the task, and vice versa.

spartaxoxo

SilverBride wrote: »

They know that a lot of players will feel compelled to complete them every day, and not just let them complete or not in the background. I actively do them every day because I don't often buy things with crowns and rely on seals for these items, besides just having the satisfaction of completing the task.

But regardless, the reward should be comparable with the task, and vice versa.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I like that I don't feel compelled to do the arenas just to maximize my rewards just because I can. I would definitely want to complete it every single time if it gave a much better reward than doing a quest. And I would be disappointed when I didn't have the time to do it and miss out on it. Instead of it feeling like a free choice to do what I want to do to get all my rewards, I would want to maximize my rewards each day instead. I'm happy they recognized that and made them truly able to be freely chosen based on your mood.

colossalvoids

Gladly you have choices, that's the whole point. Your "time consuming" is others "only this worth my time".

katanagirl1

I suspect that if more Seals of Endeavor were given for trials than overland activities that people who don’t do trials would literally explode with rage.

BenevolentBowd

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Kite42 wrote: »

I've never seen an arena for a daily endeavor. I'm calling BS (BenevolentBowd's Suspicion) on this.

According to UESP, an arena has been the daily at least once as they have a list of all the activities that has been the daily endeavor. I can't figure out how to do a quick search of @BenevolentBowd 's calendar to figure out if that is accurate though.

EDIT:

Actually, I just decided to click a random time period on Benevolent Bowd's website and scroll around to see if I got lucky to see an arena as the daily and I did. So, this was the daily endeavors for Feb 21st of this year. As you can see, most of them were pretty easy that day and the arena was easily skipped.

Unfortunately, there is no way for someone else to search the history directly on the site. You could probably add the calendar to your google calendar and then search it. Here are the dates with "trial" in the endeavor. There may be one or two craft Trial by Fire Set endeavors.

BenevolentBowd

vsrs_au wrote: »

When I see a daily endeavour for a trial or arena, my first (and only) reaction is: "You must be joking". What's the point of doing a daily endeavour involving that much work, for a reward of only 15 endeavour seals ? For a lot of us, trials and arenas aren't trivial activities, and we struggle to find the time to do them. I wish I knew why these are sometimes offered as daily endeavours.

Most of the time you can do the daily endeavors in 5 to 10 minutes. I have been compiling tips and tricks to complete them (mostly in base game zones) since endeavors were added 680+ days ago.

When I post endeavor updates every day, I will link the daily endeavors to any tips for the specific endeavors for the convenience of my fellow players.

Here are the two links

Current endeavors (may vary because of the differing megaserver reset times)
https://benevolentbowd.ca/games/esotu/eso-endeavors/

Endeavors Tips and Tricks (living document, updated as I find more tips)
https://benevolentbowd.ca/games/esotu/eso-endeavors-tasks-and-timesaving-tips/

spartaxoxo

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Kite42 wrote: »

I've never seen an arena for a daily endeavor. I'm calling BS (BenevolentBowd's Suspicion) on this.

According to UESP, an arena has been the daily at least once as they have a list of all the activities that has been the daily endeavor. I can't figure out how to do a quick search of @BenevolentBowd 's calendar to figure out if that is accurate though.

EDIT:

Actually, I just decided to click a random time period on Benevolent Bowd's website and scroll around to see if I got lucky to see an arena as the daily and I did. So, this was the daily endeavors for Feb 21st of this year. As you can see, most of them were pretty easy that day and the arena was easily skipped.

Unfortunately, there is no way for someone else to search the history directly on the site. You could probably add the calendar to your google calendar and then search it. Here are the dates with "trial" in the endeavor. There may be one or two craft Trial by Fire Set endeavors.

Thanks for the quick response ✨🌟🙏
Could you show us arena as well please?

opalcity

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

When I see a daily endeavour for a trial or arena, my first (and only) reaction is: "You must be joking". What's the point of doing a daily endeavour involving that much work, for a reward of only 15 endeavour seals ? For a lot of us, trials and arenas aren't trivial activities, and we struggle to find the time to do them. I wish I knew why these are sometimes offered as daily endeavours.

Most of the time you can do the daily endeavors in 5 to 10 minutes. I have been compiling tips and tricks to complete them (mostly in base game zones) since endeavors were added 680+ days ago.

When I post endeavor updates every day, I will link the daily endeavors to any tips for the specific endeavors for the convenience of my fellow players.

Here are the two links

Current endeavors (may vary because of the differing megaserver reset times)
https://benevolentbowd.ca/games/esotu/eso-endeavors/

Endeavors Tips and Tricks (living document, updated as I find more tips)
https://benevolentbowd.ca/games/esotu/eso-endeavors-tasks-and-timesaving-tips/

Great opportunity to say thank you, BB! I often use your site to look up endeavours while I'm waiting for the game to load so I can plan what I'm doing and see if I can fold in endeavours with my daily stuff. Or pick which character to load up first.

One thing that makes endeavours easier to complete is to play smarter not harder.

Ei8htba11

vsrs_au wrote: »

I'm getting a bit fed up with people saying I don't have to do endeavours. There are some Crown Store items that I don't want to pay real money for, I want to accumulate in-game currency and use that. I refuse to support the in-game gambling mechanism by buying Crown Crates with real money, then hoping I get enough gems to buy these items I want. That means I do have to do the endeavours if I want those items, because that's how the game is designed.

While I agree with you, I also refuse to support the 'stick and carrot' FOMO playstyle. I've used Endeavours to buy things off of the Crown Store. If I have 'em, great.. if I don't, I shrug and move on. While the shinies are nice to have, it doesn't break the game for me if I miss out on something.

WaywardArgonian

It's indeed odd that a daily endeavor can practically be the same as a weekly endeavor from another cycle, but I guess it's to throw a bone at the people who do this content daily anyway.

Jaimeh

Hapexamendios wrote: »

I do the dailies that can be done quickly. If they can't, I ignore them.

Same here, if there is one that will take a lot of time to complete and no other alternatives, then I will skip it, because I'd rather do other activities during that time. 15 seals lost every once in a while isn't a big deal either, so I don't mind it. I do think endeavour objectives have gotten a bit more time consuming since their introductions (more noticeably in the number of actions because for a lot of the 'craft/steal/harvest/decorate X items' objectives, the X number used to be lower in the past).

SeaGtGruff

Jaimeh wrote: »

Hapexamendios wrote: »

I do the dailies that can be done quickly. If they can't, I ignore them.

Same here, if there is one that will take a lot of time to complete and no other alternatives, then I will skip it, because I'd rather do other activities during that time. 15 seals lost every once in a while isn't a big deal either, so I don't mind it. I do think endeavour objectives have gotten a bit more time consuming since their introductions (more noticeably in the number of actions because for a lot of the 'craft/steal/harvest/decorate X items' objectives, the X number used to be lower in the past).

Yesterday I actually made sure to deliberately skip a 15-seal daily endeavor on PC EU, to put it back in line with PC NA, as I'd somehow missed completing a third 15-seal daily endeavor the other day on PC NA.

And a few months ago I deliberately skipped two 15-seal daily endeavors on PC EU, to put it back in line with PC NA after missing all three 10-seal daily endeavors due to poor time nanagement.

It turns out that sometimes it's actually hard not to do at least three of the daily endeavors, if most of them are things you'd normally be doing anyway.

Kiralyn2000

colossalvoids wrote: »

Gladly you have choices, that's the whole point. Your "time consuming" is others "only this worth my time".

Or "I do this daily anyway! Woohoo!"


And yeah, it "just" gives you 15 seals... on top of the other stuff that the activity already gives you. If you're doing it just for the 15 seals, then sure - it probably feels like 'not enough reward'. But that's only because you're ignoring everything else the activity gives. /shrug

(and yeah, I say this as someone who'll never do any of the arena, dungeon, trial, or PvP Endeavors.)

SilverBride

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

It's indeed odd that a daily endeavor can practically be the same as a weekly endeavor from another cycle...

This is my issue with it. It's inconsistent and the rewards don't always match the time and difficulty of the activity.

spartaxoxo

The rewards are consistent. All tasks are worth the same number of seals, each task is something a group of players might get done in the background without effort, and players can choose any 3 they want and get the same reward.

If they were worth different amounts they would be inconsistent. And instantly turn into a chore where you lacked options if you wanted the max rewards.

Some people choose to take on the seals of endeavor as a daily chore because they want to and that's great. But it's not what the system is designed for and that playstyle shouldn't be forced on others who like the current design goal of the seals (which are purposefully designed so that you skip activities for which you would be putting in a lot of effort to complete).

zaria

lemonizzle wrote: »

need more of those "use 2 mementos - 15 endeavor" ones..

Update an outfit.
Use ultimate 3 times on sorcerer or warden (bear on one bar and swap to un-summon)
Sell 10 items, hint you can use the buy back function if you don't have junk poisons.

Deconstruct 10 items of type. Today it was jewelry, make 9 level 1 rings and deconstruct after one blue I had in inventory.
Wait with this as you might want to get rid of stuff but remember that creating level one items is cheaper than white junk sell
at traders.

Harvest 10 resources of type, an double survey.

Create an set item, easy if you have guild with all crafting stations, go there make an level 1 ring and deconstruct.

Most are very easy or pretty like dungeons, do an rnd or solo FG1.
Some are not because of circumstances like an town quest in Cyrodil, it the town on the other side of map and map is not in your color.