does companion negative rapport bother you?

phaneub17_ESO

To me they're just numbers, -1, -5, or -10 at the most loss with each source has a 5 minute cooldown on how often they can trigger again. All of which can be recuperated with a single daily quest that gains +125 completely erasing whatever you did that day and then some. You have to really go out of your way to make them hate you and some players enjoy doing that to see the responses and messages that companions would not otherwise say unless brought very low. Even if you get them to a point where they leave you, it has a cooldown period where it resets and can call them back a day later, you cannot lose them permanently no matter how low their rapport drops.

However some seem to really take it hard when negative rapport happens, it can trigger them when an NPC gives a scripted response to "not liking" your actions. I like to understand why, I've never put them away to complete an action whether its stealing and murdering while Bastian or Isobel is with me, I gleefully pluck the wings of butterflies in Mirri's face, her response puts a smile on my face. Ember is meh, her "ooh shiny" or maniacal laughter is way more entertaining, she wants to pick on someone else after killing a boss let's go!

Hapexamendios

Not really. Once you know what's negative for them it's very easy to control.

Soarora

Nope because I have an addon that blocks what I'm doing and unsummons the companion. If I didn't have that addon then yes because I don't actively try to level their rapport, just bring them out when I'm doing something they'd like.

bmnoble

As you say one daily quest that gives them the big chunk of rapport tops them back up but for the most part once I have maxed out their rapport, done their quests and got their perk unlocked, I just don't worry about it anymore.

isadoraisacat

Yes ! It does bother me. Because it makes me feel like I’m a bad friend or something.

Like bastian really makes you feel like a bad person if you accidentally steal something or tress pass or what ever.

Ember is like your kid sister who thinks you are a lame out of touch older sibling.

DreamyLu

No, I don't care about. The issue doesn't really exist for me, because most of the time:
- I play sound off.
- I don't use companions (I don't fight much and the few I do is easy with no need for help).
- If I turn Bastian on (the one and only for me), when I want to open a trove or steal something, I turn him off before.

Groterdan

Hmm , kinda it seems when using miri it's very anoying there always seem to be bugs butterfly's ect ect around or above other harvesting nodes hovering around ....

shadyjane62

The day I got her Mirri complained about a bug. I put her away.

She's still there.

Snamyap

Nope, the negative hits are so tiny that it doesn't matter, certainly not after I finish the quests on my main.

Nightowl_74

After I've maxed out rapport, I don't care. Until then every bit counts for me, because I don't do a lot of their dailies and the way I prefer to play makes building it up a slow process.

SatanicSister

I don't like Ember nor Isobel, so I can't really speak about them as I do not play with them. But with Bastian and Mirri, I actually like it that they have their own personalities.

I did avoid loosing rapport with Bastian when I leveled him up, because it seems he's the hardest one to gain rapport with. Now I loot troves and make cheese dishes while he's around. All it takes to gain it back is to read some books and kill some bandits or cultists.

I recently (about a week or so) started playing with Mirri. People have said that she is snarky and the bug obsession is bad but I disagree. She is probably one of the nicest dunmer I've met in the game. And because it is so easy to gain rapport with her, occasional loss of rapport while accidentally picking bugs doesn't bother me.

On a side note, I've heard several NPC-s calling dunmer buglovers. Maybe she disapproves because of racial reasons?

Snamyap

SatanicSister wrote: »

On a side note, I've heard several NPC-s calling dunmer buglovers. Maybe she disapproves because of racial reasons?

Probably a reference to the kwama mines.

SatanicSister

Never thought of that. You're probably right.

amig186

Yes, because it slows the already tedious grind to max out the companion, even if it's just by a little bit. And some of them have the dumbest dislikes. The new Argonian for example loses rapport when you destroy an item from your inventory.

rpa

Rapport no, companion whining about it yes. Thankfully "minimal comments" setting appears to prune most of it. At least I have entered outlaws (for a zone quest) and at other time (accidentally) murdred a friendly npc without a peep from Isobel.

Sarannah

Yes, the dislikes make the companions feel more real, but there is no reason for them to lose rapport over it. "You are my best friend, we saved the world together... but if you take that bug I am going to hate you!" (Same goes for necromancer's outlawed skills)

The game shouldn't have these downsides to it, there is no reason for them to exist.

twev

I was married.
I've had quite enough companion negative rapport, thankyouverymuch.

emilyhyoyeon

I love the negative rapport because it makes them feel more like ''people'' instead of game feature #594.

I've forgotten to dismiss Isobel a few times before going into an Outlaw's Refuge--not even to do criminal business, just to buy from a guild trader in there--but, I mean, she doesn't know that. And I can just make her a sweetroll to apologize for the misunderstanding. That's more reasonably realistic to me than her not reacting to anything at all.

Negative rapport is also useful for people RPing a bad relationship with those characters (and by this I don't mean making cheese for Bastian because you think he's annoying, I mean genuine RP).

Old_Foggy

No, negative rapport is soon made up again. I run with Ember and find it odd though being she's a Khajiit / Feline that gets in a twist over me fishing but I just send her away before I fish and can fish in peace

drakhan2002_ESO

Not in the least; it's super easy to get them to max rapport by doing daily quests which give +125 rapport. Not a big deal.

Sevalaricgirl

No, my characters are who they are. The thiefy ones take Ember though. My noble ones have Isobel or Bastian. The only reason my Argonian has Mirri is because she is waiting for her Argonian friend in June.

Treselegant

Nope. Not really. The rapport you lose when a companion disapproves of something is really small and takes little effort on my part to get back. A few days ago I suffered some lag while in a tavern in High Isle, causing imput problems, which ended up with me taking out my weapon and unceremoniously shooting a tavern patron in the bottom, the poor thing dying instantly - Bastian then gave me an impassioned speach about murder but I just couldn't stop laughing.

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I love the negative rapport because it makes them feel more like ''people'' instead of game feature #594.

This is where I am with it. They need their dislikes to be more rounded as characters. It's something a lot of games with companions have employed and it works well. I recently started a new playthrough of Fallout 4 and I absolutely adore the griping you get from companions for constantly picking up rubbish because yeah, the main character probably does look bonkers dragging 20 desk fans around.

AcadianPaladin

Yes. In fact, maintaining great rapport with minimal effort is my elf's top companion priority. She fishes daily to keep her pantry stocked with what she uses to make mage food - so Ember is out. She hunts rabbits every day to keep her pantry stocked with what she uses to make archer food; rabbits give her the bunny meat and guts for more fishing - so Bastion is out. She sees absolutely zero logic in ignoring a thieves trove out in the wilds that has been abandoned by bandits - so Isobel is out. We have an addon that allows us to totally disable any interaction with torchbugs and butterflies - so Mirri is her companion.

Early on, she had Bastion with her and accidently grabbed a red potion. He yelled at her and she permanently fired him. A week later, she accidently did the same thing with Mirri. An NPC attacked and Mirri instantly killed the NPC defending her friend - though the bounty was hell, that is when Mirri permanently captured a part of my elf's heart as a staunch friend and ally.

Part of it is my elf's own nurturing attitude. She is fond of saying, "When it comes to my friends, I don't count the cost." I don't think she is unreasonable to expect the same from her friends.

LunaFlora

no because it's only ever a tiny little bit of rapport lost. sometimes i forget Bastian doesn't like me making the daily writ cheese or that Mirri doesnt like me killing flying bugs and then i do a dark anchor or kill a snake instead and it's fine

Margha_Ralmoren

Frankly, getting companions to hate you is way too hard. I wanted to *** Bastian off so much that he would leave me and although his "Now what ?" are hilarious the dude is still here. How many citizens do I have to rob and kill for you to get the message, you pushover ?!

Treselegant

Margha_Ralmoren wrote: »

Frankly, getting companions to hate you is way too hard. I wanted to *** Bastian off so much that he would leave me and although his "Now what ?" are hilarious the dude is still here. How many citizens do I have to rob and kill for you to get the message, you pushover ?!

They do 'leave' but you can summon them again after a cool-down due to video game reasons. You could role-play that he left by never summoning him again. Seems like an answer to me.

LanteanPegasus

Does negative companion rapport bother me?

Yes, in the sense that I care about my companion's "opinion". So I avoid doing things they don't like in their presence. Or rather, I politely send them away to wait somewhere or fetch us a drink when I'm about to do something they don't approve of.

"No" if the question asks if I'm bothered by the fact that negative rapport exists. I really like the idea of different companions having different likes and dislikes, and making their opinion about them known.
I turned comment frequency to maximum, and the only thing that bothers me a bit is the fact that I don't have an option to differentiate that. Because there are the "big three" - entering a city, harvesting, mounting - that one does so often that the lines (nice as they mostly are) regarding those tend to be overused. All the other comments I can't get enough of.
The negative ones I only get when doing something like picking up "stolen" things by accident, or charging a mouse I didn't see in the grass right by the evil thingy. And they tend to make me smile and say "True enough, stupid accident, sorry about that."

I only have Bastian and Ember with me, though. With only two characters in play I didn't really have much time for Mirri, and Isobell is the only companion so far I found tedious to have around (because of her personality, not her dislikes).

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Sarannah wrote: »

Yes, the dislikes make the companions feel more real, but there is no reason for them to lose rapport over it. "You are my best friend, we saved the world together... but if you take that bug I am going to hate you!" (Same goes for necromancer's outlawed skills)

The game shouldn't have these downsides to it, there is no reason for them to exist.

But they don't hate you. You get like -1, max -5 rapport for the most commonly seen losses. Which is so far from hate it's ridiculous. Have a friend never disagreed with you, or looking at you wondering what the hell you're doing in any way? I had a friend who bit on their nails, which was a constant "minus in rapport" to me, but you know what, they were still my friend. I just disliked their nail biting.

El_Borracho

I am more annoyed when Bastion or Mirri give me combat suggestions right before they die. Haven't they been paying attention? I've only killed millions in Tamriel

AzuraFan

No, but I hate the way it works. Once you max it out, you can do the actions that would normally earn you rapport thousands of times with no effect. But the moment you do something that earns negative rapport, it's subtracted. The thousands of times you did something the companion likes don't count just because you were maxed. They should keep tracking it in the background so you don't lose rapport for one wrong move.

(and who wants a "friend" whose rapport goes down after ONE infraction. That's not a friend I'd want lol.)

Margha_Ralmoren

Treselegant wrote: »

Margha_Ralmoren wrote: »

Frankly, getting companions to hate you is way too hard. I wanted to *** Bastian off so much that he would leave me and although his "Now what ?" are hilarious the dude is still here. How many citizens do I have to rob and kill for you to get the message, you pushover ?!

They do 'leave' but you can summon them again after a cool-down due to video game reasons. You could role-play that he left by never summoning him again. Seems like an answer to me.

But I want to hear his "I QUIT !" speech
*sigh* I guess the fine people of Hallin's Stand have been left alive for too long. Look Basty, this is what you're making me do !