Plaguebreak set PvP only with Nekrom? (PTS Patch Notes)

Kisakee

Do i read this right, will Plague be killed in PvE and all my sets will become completely useless?

BlueRaven

Yup. Stupid lazy over nerf.

I don’t even use that set and it’s a bit of a facepalm change.

Kisakee

I have at least three characters being built around this set in PvE for farming purposes with all pieces including jewelry golden and now you're taking it away from us without even thinking about it for longer than it took to write down the text? Do you really think that's appropriate or even close to fair? @ZOS_Kevin

Jaraal

Yep, it's ZOS reacting to one-off extreme YouTube videos again, like they did with Update 35. A couple of "high end" people figured out how to work the system, and now everybody has to suffer.

El_Borracho

Plaguebreak was overperforming? LOL. News to me.

And I'm sorry, but if you have pets in PVP, since they can take damage for you (courtesy of the awesome targeting system), you should be able to infect them with Plaguebreak.

Blackbird_V

Plaguebreak was abused on a few bosses, and ZoS then make it "player" only. It's an overnerf.

It is a fun set and viable for dungeon trash clear, but was abused for 1-3s boss kills for certain bosses. ZoS needs to undo the nerf, or at the very least allow it to work on monsters, but against monsters there's a cap on the bonus damage. Something like this:

(5 Pieces):
Dealing direct damage causes enemies to become a Plague Carrier, dealing 1000 Disease Damage over 10 seconds and applying the Diseased status effect. If the plague is removed early it explodes and deals 735 Disease Damage to all enemies within 8 meters of the carrier, increasing by 50% per enemy hit and capping at 600% bonus damage against monsters. This effect can occur once every 20 seconds per target, once per attack, and scales off the higher of your Weapon or Spell Damage.

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Kisakee

This set is out for 20 months now (yes, 20) and "suddenly" it's overperformimg and will be deactivated without any compensation.

My guess? Someone found out that it will be completely broken on the Arcanist with something like the Super-Laser but instead of using ressources to adjust it they just kill it and maybe will come back in a couple months with a new version of it working somewhat acceptable in PvE without being as stron as before.

Till this point they will stay completely silent unless it's becoming a very hot topic and even then it will be a "We have thought again and will only tune it down so it can stay for now." making it next to useless until reworking it properly at some point.

Yes, i'm absolutely pissed about this right now and none of the words i'd like to use here would pass. It's making me so mad and i hope a lot of other people will chime in and make themself heared.

belial5221_ESO

Plaguebreak was part of my pve solo build,now I'm gonna have to find another set to replace it if nerf goes live.I guess I can keep it for PVP,but I rarely do any PVP,unless event.Off to theorycraft a new build without it.

Jamie_Aubrey

LOL

tonyblack

My first thought was that the nerf intended to bring new runecarvers set to some light as it underperformed vs plaguebreaker in almost all trash fights, which is kind of lame but expected.

Cadbury

I use PB for solo PvE trash play. Guess I'll put this back in my "PvP" stash. Oh well.

I'm not even mad. Like others have said, maybe this is the start of a trend of ZOS separating PvE and PvP and this set was an easy place to start...
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BenTSG

If they wanted to separate PvP from PvE they should have said that and it'd be a lot bett, and not that it was 'overperforming'. Even if it was overperforming, this is a incredibly stupid way to handle this. I've said it already in a few threads already but I am going to keep saying that I am not happy at all with this choice, and if it makes it to live as it is now on the PTS, I will be putting a end to my support of this game, full stop. This isn't my only issue, but it will be the last if it passes.

Aetherderius

Oh COME ON!
I juuuuust got a good Plaguebreak pve build, perfect for my plague-spreading bird daedra.
If it just doesn't work on PvE enemies, then I've wasted all that time!
and gold.
and transmute stones.
and mental health in Cyrodiil.

Can't just have fun, can we?

tomfant

Well, ZOS won't be ZOS if an update goes without the atomic nerfhammer on something.

Most changes in the upcoming are necessary and good tweaks (looking at you: HA builds), [snip] I hate it.

[edited for bashing]

thorwyn

It was slightly overperforming, so let's remove it from PvE completely.
Ok makes sense.

amig186

Not again. Every time I find a pvp set that's fun to use in pve, this happens.

Aorys

here we go for farming over 500 transmutes to change divines to impen. For what? I won't be using this set even for pvp. So, rip for 80+ dreugh waxes and money spent to buy this cheap set

NordSwordnBoard

I kind of wondered when they would stop me from laughing my way through content with spin to win.

Four_Fingers

ZOS nerfed PB in the past claiming it was overperforming in PvE.
So instead of giving PvE boss defenses they took the easy route of just disabling it in PvE because anymore nerfs would make it also useless in PvP.

Holycannoli

Stupid decisions like this are why I don't bother golding any gear anymore.

mochizx

"One of the core philosophies of The Elder Scrolls Online is to allow you to play the way you want."

Yeah yeah, sure.

BlackKnight556

If they were going to make any changes to that set they should have done the reverse and made it only apply in PvE. Yeah, I know that would tee off a lot of players but many people felt that set was way too OP in PvP and I knew some people who had quit PvP because of that set.

So yeah this change makes absolutely zero sense.

Rogue_WolfESO

Stop nerfing everything into uselessness, or continue to lose more players.

valenwood_vegan

So I vaguely remember getting a survey from Zos once in my email, and the main thing it asked about was what activities in the game I consider to be rewarding... and when I didn't select collecting new gear sets as a top choice, it asked me why...

This is why.

Jaraal

El_Borracho wrote: »

Plaguebreak was overperforming? LOL. News to me.

And I'm sorry, but if you have pets in PVP, since they can take damage for you (courtesy of the awesome targeting system), you should be able to infect them with Plaguebreak.

Yes it's curious why ZOS has chosen (by their own admission) to protect pet users in this manner. Lots of folks (myself included) use pets in PvP as blockers, to take that Meteor or Leap that was intended for me. Some sets (like Hrothgar's Chill) add pet resistances to your own, effectively increasing the damage taken. So why they are making an exception and making pets immune to targeting in this case is rather perplexing.

jaws343

Jaraal wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Plaguebreak was overperforming? LOL. News to me.

And I'm sorry, but if you have pets in PVP, since they can take damage for you (courtesy of the awesome targeting system), you should be able to infect them with Plaguebreak.

Yes it's curious why ZOS has chosen (by their own admission) to protect pet users in this manner. Lots of folks (myself included) use pets in PvP as blockers, to take that Meteor or Leap that was intended for me. Some sets (like Hrothgar's Chill) add pet resistances to your own, effectively increasing the damage taken. So why they are making an exception and making pets immune to targeting in this case is rather perplexing.

Probably because, it was less likely that the pet user was the one impacted by exploding pets. As they were likely further back from the groups with their pets in the fray alongside allies.

sharquez

As someone directly affected by this nerf, with several bombers I can honestly say.... Its about time. This set was too strong proccing on guards and such and outclassed vicious death because of it.
HOWEVER, They should make a PVE version that only affects monsters or is only active when unaffected by battle spirit. That way everyone can have fun nuking hordes.

AScarlato

I don’t even use this set at all but can never disagree with suddenly removing its use from an entire mode of play. Especially when that mode is PvE.

NoticeMeArkay

This set allowed my dragonknight to avoid the pressure of meta builds and instead enjoy a build that fit her class and theme without rendering her useless. Veteran dungeons, Arenas and solo content. That's it let me engage in without carrying me on hands during my runs as Oakensoul does.
And now you're telling me that after gilding the set I have to drop it because it's too much of an annoyance?
The majority of sets we're left with are either not up to date or are worn by every class right now.

I would like to play how I want. Not with Oakensoul, not with PoN or Rele shoved down my throat.
I'd like to build a befitting set combination for the class I chose and now that's getting rendered entirely useless for PvE, the only field of the game I engage in, because...yeah why to be honest?

NordSwordnBoard

The choice to gold out a set for anything, including overland, is on the player. I learned pretty fast the risk of losing those mats after an update. So, learn the lesson and move on. Adapt and choose a new set that you fancy. If the gold mats are too precious to risk find another use for them.

Jaraal

jaws343 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Plaguebreak was overperforming? LOL. News to me.

And I'm sorry, but if you have pets in PVP, since they can take damage for you (courtesy of the awesome targeting system), you should be able to infect them with Plaguebreak.

Yes it's curious why ZOS has chosen (by their own admission) to protect pet users in this manner. Lots of folks (myself included) use pets in PvP as blockers, to take that Meteor or Leap that was intended for me. Some sets (like Hrothgar's Chill) add pet resistances to your own, effectively increasing the damage taken. So why they are making an exception and making pets immune to targeting in this case is rather perplexing.

Probably because, it was less likely that the pet user was the one impacted by exploding pets. As they were likely further back from the groups with their pets in the fray alongside allies.

In my opinion, if someone chooses to stand by someone's pet (or some low HP or low resist player) and gets blown up.... that's on them. PvPers should be aware of the risks of stacking, and position themselves accordingly.

Nerfing a set because someone doesn't want to learn to play effectively seems rather odd. I would imagine that the motivation leans more towards the other stated reason: They don't like seeing their content trivialized.