YES - Mistform Changes

CoolBlast3

Thank you ZOS. Mistform now looks actually fun to use! It probably won't be a top tier ability damagewise, but the fun potential is insane! It fits the vampire fantasy really well and I just hope it's as fun to play as it sounds! Will def be testing in the PTS later!

Syiccal

Yes I like it, basically giving streak to every vamp now plus major evasion

Syiccal

Can hear the cries from sorcs already

NoxiousBlight

I AGREE. This will be AMAZING for classes like mag Necro who have to access to evasion or movement skills. This is what mist form should have been all along.

Looks like I will have to put vamp back on my necro. Very excited about that as he cured vamp at the rework and never put it back. I still think other vamp skills need some help but this is 100% on the right track. At least it will be worth having now.

acastanza_ESO

Literally BoL but better. How is this okay ZOS?

Azrael001

The *only* thing that makes sorc better than other classes in PvP in MOST cases is streak. Time to go play a DK b/c I can get the same mobility with way more survivability, way more sustain, better CC options, and MORE damage after the buffs they got.

Dragonlord573

God this is such a good change. So glad it can be used in PvE again, plus it let's everyone cheese Vateshran now instead of only sorc and nightblade.

Now if the undeath passive could be altered so Cyrodiil could stop being invaded by vampires things would be perfect then.

Oakiyo

Lol, can't wait to see DK streaking away while having another heal over time. Now wait for the universal stealth that purge 5 effects on you.

Thraben

Without a nerf of the Undead passive this will be catastrophe, and a punch to the face to every StamSorc.

So what's the reason again NOT to play DK then in Cyro?

Shagreth

I have tears of joy and I'm not even kidding, I felt the need to cry when I saw this. It looks like we're going to be able to dash like those vampires in the Greymoor cinematic? Awesome.

I WAS hoping for a small rework, to enhance the overall vampire feel, not just the performance of the abilities, but this is good enough for now, I guess. Thank the awesome dude that did this @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

chessalavakia_ESO

I think it will be interesting to see the balance implications.

My impression was that Vampirism was a bit over-tuned in PvP and I suspect this will increase that.

From a PvE perspective, the ability will be far more useful than the current but, I would definitely be a bit scared of what nerfs might be coming to compensate for the change down the line if they try to balance Vampires for PvP.

Shagreth

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

I think it will be interesting to see the balance implications.

My impression was that Vampirism was a bit over-tuned in PvP and I suspect this will increase that.

From a PvE perspective, the ability will be far more useful than the current but, I would definitely be a bit scared of what nerfs might be coming to compensate for the change down the line if they try to balance Vampires for PvP.

Vampires are not OP in PvP, every ability is actually useless and every class has a better ult. What IS overpowered is Undeath, that one specific passive, literally nothing more.

Tommy_The_Gun

Syiccal wrote: »

Yes I like it, basically giving streak to every vamp now plus major evasion

Vamps have the "invisible sprint" passive, so now they will have Cloak & Streak LOL

Holycannoli

So between arcanist portal and new mistform why even sorcerer?

igormaxbr03

Thraben wrote: »

Without a nerf of the Undead passive this will be catastrophe, and a punch to the face to every StamSorc.

So what's the reason again NOT to play DK then in Cyro?

Well they gonna continue to buff wardens and dk only ,templar got ignored again they may just want that class to be healer ,what is the point now again with this pts play dk or warden only

ForumBully

I hate mistform as it is...so ok...I'll take pretty much anything that gets rid of what it is currently.
Seems like just about everyone is going to be teleporting everywhere, including the upcoming Arcanist

AndreNoir

Holycannoli wrote: »

So between arcanist portal and new mistform why even sorcerer?

Because sorcs never choose BoL after those changes when it can't cover from entire cyro projectiles in one cast anymore ? But they always moaning no matter what - thats true

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Syiccal wrote: »

Can hear the cries from sorcs already

Actually it is a teleport ability, it means Vampires can now do what the new Arcanist does.

Azrael001

AndreNoir wrote: »

Because sorcs never choose BoL after those changes when it can't cover from entire cyro projectiles in one cast anymore ? But they always moaning no matter what - thats true

BoL is a good option for sorcs that aren't offensive, or for group comps where you don't want to be stunning the enemies in order to line up other things. It's also great for getting out of situations where you're likely to be rooted or CC'd.

But the new mistform will give vamp DKs access to cloak, streak, invulnerability (corrosive armor), one of the best CCs in the game (talons), the best self heal in the game (coag), ability to get out of roots/non-hard CCs instantly, a good burst with whip, and the ability to chase down sorcs whose only counter to them previously was to kite or run w/ streak. If this change goes through there will literally be no reason to play sorc in PvP aside from negate for your group, it'll be absolutely the worst class in small scale or solo play, and not very good in groups compared to every other option. It'll be hunted down due to its' weak defensive kit and now inability to out-maneuver any other class that runs vamp.

Mayrael

Hmm... Am I the only one thinking outside of the box? Sorcs can benefit from this to and still will be harder to catch than any other class. Why?

Both Streak/BoL and Mist Form have cool down on increasing cost. Sorcs can now have both and can use them alternately meaning more teleportation with increasing cost with half the cool down and both defensive and offensive options.

ForumBully

Mayrael wrote: »

Hmm... Am I the only one thinking outside of the box? Sorcs can benefit from this to and still will be harder to catch than any other class. Why?

Both Streak/BoL and Mist Form have cool down and increasing cost. Sorcs can now have both and can use them alternately meaning more teleportation with increasing cost with half the cool down and both defensive and offensive options.

People are still too busy with the gnashing of teeth for this

SkaraMinoc

RIP Sorcerer identity

I just tested the new Mist Form on PTS and it's much slower movement than Streak.

Volckodav

Thraben wrote: »

Without a nerf of the Undead passive this will be catastrophe, and a punch to the face to every StamSorc.

So what's the reason again NOT to play DK then in Cyro?

Because you can play a FrostDen instead

SkaraMinoc

Ball Lightning is now an inferior version of Mist Form.

Faulgor

Mayrael wrote: »

Hmm... Am I the only one thinking outside of the box? Sorcs can benefit from this to and still will be harder to catch than any other class. Why?

Both Streak/BoL and Mist Form have cool down on increasing cost. Sorcs can now have both and can use them alternately meaning more teleportation with increasing cost with half the cool down and both defensive and offensive options.

I considered that too, but Sorcerers aren't famous for their abundance of open skill slots.

acastanza_ESO

Faulgor wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Hmm... Am I the only one thinking outside of the box? Sorcs can benefit from this to and still will be harder to catch than any other class. Why?

Both Streak/BoL and Mist Form have cool down on increasing cost. Sorcs can now have both and can use them alternately meaning more teleportation with increasing cost with half the cool down and both defensive and offensive options.

I considered that too, but Sorcerers aren't famous for their abundance of open skill slots.

Yep, is there any other class that literally has to double bar your only burst heal?

Mayrael

Im on PTS right now and can tell you that this skill is... trash It works when it wants, it is ground target with short range, I can literally roll dodge faster to a place than use this skill

Yamenstein

NoxiousBlight wrote: »

I AGREE. This will be AMAZING for classes like mag Necro who have to access to evasion or movement skills. This is what mist form should have been all along.

Looks like I will have to put vamp back on my necro. Very excited about that as he cured vamp at the rework and never put it back. I still think other vamp skills need some help but this is 100% on the right track. At least it will be worth having now.

Agreed. Pity it will take them years to change another vamp skill. The line sucks after their last attempt.

Lool by the time they fix everything their new game will be around and promoted.

Cmon ZoS improve the other skills to fit the vampire fantasy.

nuttytom

this is way too strong

MashmalloMan

Mayrael wrote: »

Im on PTS right now and can tell you that this skill is... trash It works when it wants, it is ground target with short range, I can literally roll dodge faster to a place than use this skill

Yep, the cast time is very long. It's not a teleport like Streak, it's a phase shift. The targetting is very annoying to deal with especially on controller.

I think it's a really cool idea, even as a sorc main I read it and was conflicted. On one hand, it's not fun having a class defining skill handed out to everyone. On the other hand, I don't want my bias to effect the ability for us to get new and interesting skills to use. There is inevitably going to be some overlap.

That being said, just tried it and it's nowhere near as responsive and snappy as streak/bol. I think even sorcs will continue using our skills, but the buff stacking is pretty nice. The fact that you get another aoe dot that happens to heal is very nice for sorcs using hurricane/crit surge. The fact that the other gives major expedition/evasion makes Lightning Form obsolete when you can use Hurricane to get both major/minor, aoe dot and major resolve. It's a bit stacked.

The 3 projectile thing is just a bonus... also, the cost is way cheaper than Streak.

Sergykid

chill, u don't even know how it will work yet.
maybe it won't jump over pits like streak, maybe it's not instant like streak, and what's special about streak is that it stuns the target so u can streak twice to get out of gap closer range, while mistform won't so it will be easily followable