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Option to remove tails pls
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opalcity✭✭✭✭✭Docking a Khajiit for cosmetic reasons? No.
Having options in character creator for 'battle-scarred' Khajiit with nocks missing from ears, or a damaged tail? Yes.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So I guess the op wants the cute ears and cat face and fur, but has issues with the tail. Well....
Khajiit tails in ESO are INFINTELY better than khajiit tails in Skyrim!
I'd actually disagree, I'm more in favor of Skyrim's thicker tails, than ESO's long noodles. The Tail is supposed to be an extension of the Spine, now imagine that thin, dainty ESO noodle tail on the biggest, buffest Khajiit you can make. It just doesn't fit.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭✭✭So I guess the op wants the cute ears and cat face and fur, but has issues with the tail. Well....
Khajiit tails in ESO are INFINTELY better than khajiit tails in Skyrim!
I'd actually disagree, I'm more in favor of Skyrim's thicker tails, than ESO's long noodles. The Tail is supposed to be an extension of the Spine, now imagine that thin, dainty ESO noodle tail on the biggest, buffest Khajiit you can make. It just doesn't fit.
I wasn't referring to size. I was referring to the way tails "jerk" when running and the fact they sway around after khajiit is dead. *shudder*______________________________________________________
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At that point, why play them at all? There are 8 other races which do not have tails.
There are certain unique situations where the Argonian 5% healing bonus is quite useful. My lone Argonian was created to take advantage of that passive.0 -
Heelie✭✭✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
At that point, why play them at all? There are 8 other races which do not have tails.
If you're playing a hybrid healer you can take full advantage of the Khajiits 12% crit damage, and the other raw stats are good for healers. Making it the best Hybrid healer race.Most OwOrated healer of all time0 -
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✭✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
At that point, why play them at all? There are 8 other races which do not have tails.
If you're playing a hybrid healer you can take full advantage of the Khajiits 12% crit damage, and the other raw stats are good for healers. Making it the best Hybrid healer race.
And yet that passive isn't all that much and can be offset with another race.
If you have been using a kahjiit for 8 years them you should just be adapted to it. Or pick another race.
I mean I for sure have gotten used to orc and dunmer male faces being naturally ugly by now.0 -
Heelie✭✭✭✭✭wolfie1.0. wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
At that point, why play them at all? There are 8 other races which do not have tails.
If you're playing a hybrid healer you can take full advantage of the Khajiits 12% crit damage, and the other raw stats are good for healers. Making it the best Hybrid healer race.
And yet that passive isn't all that much and can be offset with another race.
If you have been using a kahjiit for 8 years them you should just be adapted to it. Or pick another race.
I mean I for sure have gotten used to orc and dunmer male faces being naturally ugly by now.
You can't get the same state efficiency with another race no.Most OwOrated healer of all time0 -
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High Elves and Dark Elves provide Magicka + Spell Damage, both are (for non tanks) about as strong as the 5% healing of argonians and if you play a DD / healer hybrid then both are definitely better damage dealers and thus better hybrids.There are certain unique situations where the Argonian 5% healing bonus is quite useful. My lone Argonian was created to take advantage of that passive.
Worse choice than high elves and dark elves, because it will only work this way if you invest heavily in CRIT chance (but healers usually have less CRIT chance than DDs) and even then it's not as reliable (because not guaranteed) as a flat increase by the argonian % increase or by raw stats like in the case of high elf or dark elf.If you're playing a hybrid healer you can take full advantage of the Khajiits 12% crit damage, and the other raw stats are good for healers. Making it the best Hybrid healer race.
Also Khajiits have tails, too!
High Elves are at least as good for healing and for sure better for dealing damage. So not true, because high elves are as good or even better.You can't get the same state efficiency with another race no.
Edited by KilianDermoth on January 14, 2023 12:30AM1 -
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I mean I for sure have gotten used to orc and dunmer male faces being naturally ugly by now.
Naturally handsome you mean!
There are certain unique situations where the Argonian 5% healing bonus is quite useful. My lone Argonian was created to take advantage of that passive.You can't get the same state efficiency with another race no.
Argonians are not considered good, though, when it comes to passives. A lot of races are better stat wise for min-maxing. Min-maxing isn't that needed in the first place unless you're trying to do hardmode vet trials for leaderboards.
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✭✭✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
Yeah, right? These humans with their weird round faces on the other hand... I saw one, a few years ago...
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✭✭✭✭✭KilianDermoth wrote: »
High Elves and Dark Elves provide Magicka + Spell Damage, both are (for non tanks) about as strong as the 5% healing of argonians and if you play a DD / healer hybrid then both are definitely better damage dealers and thus better hybrids.There are certain unique situations where the Argonian 5% healing bonus is quite useful. My lone Argonian was created to take advantage of that passive.
There are situations where neither magicka or spell damage are relevant, but healing % is the only factor.
But thanks for your explanation.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Okay, I'm not really "against it". If it was optional. Um. ZOS doesn't really DO optional..... Serious.
I just have a very hard time with your "I've played this khajiit for X number of years but now I want his tail removed". *shakes head*______________________________________________________
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ArgonianAustin✭✭✭✭Honestly ive played this game since the beginning and only ever played an argonian and id love my tail removed as an option only because it makes armor and costumes look bad with no tail armor.Just a Lizard Man that plays ESO with my twin brother khajiit_kyle0 -
Heelie✭✭✭✭✭KilianDermoth wrote: »
High Elves and Dark Elves provide Magicka + Spell Damage, both are (for non tanks) about as strong as the 5% healing of argonians and if you play a DD / healer hybrid then both are definitely better damage dealers and thus better hybrids.There are certain unique situations where the Argonian 5% healing bonus is quite useful. My lone Argonian was created to take advantage of that passive.
Worse choice than high elves and dark elves, because it will only work this way if you invest heavily in CRIT chance (but healers usually have less CRIT chance than DDs) and even then it's not as reliable (because not guaranteed) as a flat increase by the argonian % increase or by raw stats like in the case of high elf or dark elf.If you're playing a hybrid healer you can take full advantage of the Khajiits 12% crit damage, and the other raw stats are good for healers. Making it the best Hybrid healer race.
Also Khajiits have tails, too!
High Elves are at least as good for healing and for sure better for dealing damage. So not true, because high elves are as good or even better.You can't get the same state efficiency with another race no.
Assuming you are not at crit cap and at least have Major Prophecy Khajiit will let you do more damage, again I am talking about a hybrid healer setup IE front kiting vAS and other places where it might be relevant. 12% crit damage at 50% crit is a 6% increase in base damage assuming an average of 50% other modifiers such as major slayer and major vulnerability CP etc, that is around a 9% increase in damage from your race passive. more than you will get from the other races.Most OwOrated healer of all time0 -
KilianDermoth✭✭✭✭The high elf provides 2000 Max Magicka (+ increased further by max Magicka buffs) + 256 Spell Damage (which are even increased by stuff like major sorcery + minor sorcery + fighters guild passives + medium armor + other stuff like sorc passives if you are a sorc for example).
Assuming that your combined stats (without race passives) will be about 100k Magicka equivalent or even less the unbuffed race passives from a high elf alone will add at least 4,5% (minimum), even more if considering buffs which will even get bigger if your combined stats (without race passives) are below 100k Magicka equivalent (which might be the case if you wear support sets with mediocre stats).
But if you consider that max Magicka and especially spell damage are buffed further on literally any build you might end up with similar (5-7%) damage increases, on some builds even more than with the 12% crit damage on the khajiit. Also stuff like slayer and vulnerability don't matter because they buff both the same way, so by considering them you could also be able to reach your stated 9% or even more.
Finally it's not that I am saying they would differ to much on the DD side (they might perform very similar), but for the healing side a constant steady increase in healing power is better than just occasional spikes that CRIT healing provides. So, finally a high elf is exactly for this purpose (a healer / hybrid healer) a better choice, especially considering that the high elf also provides better sustain which will help a (hybrid) healers.
Also I am not saying that khajiits are absolutely bad for this purpose but high elves are still very clearly a better choice, because they are great (as good or even better as khajiits) for damage AND healing.
And a big plus on the high elf side is also that they don't have tails, while being a better choice.Edited by KilianDermoth on January 15, 2023 1:39AM0 -
Heelie✭✭✭✭✭KilianDermoth wrote: »The high elf provides 2000 Max Magicka (+ increased further by max Magicka buffs) + 256 Spell Damage (which are even increased by stuff like major sorcery + minor sorcery + fighters guild passives + medium armor + other stuff like sorc passives if you are a sorc for example).
Assuming that your combined stats (without race passives) will be about 100k Magicka equivalent or even less the unbuffed race passives from a high elf alone will add at least 4,5% (minimum), even more if considering buffs which will even get bigger if your combined stats (without race passives) are below 100k Magicka equivalent (which might be the case if you wear support sets with mediocre stats).
But if you consider that max Magicka and especially spell damage are buffed further on literally any build you might end up with similar (5-7%) damage increases, on some builds even more than with the 12% crit damage on the khajiit.
Finally it's not that I am saying they would differ to much on the DD side (they might perform very similar), but for the healing side a constant steady increase in healing power is better than just occasional spikes that CRIT healing provides. So, finally a high elf is exactly for this purpose (a healer / hybrid healer) a better choice, especially considering that the high elf also provides better sustain which will help a (hybrid) healers.
The health from the Khajiit can in most cases be turned into effective magicka with running different enchants or food, as for the spell damage increase, it wont give more damage than 12% crit damage unless you're doing very little damage, In which case you run a Breton. also I want to bring up my point about bar space, not having to slot minor force is the real gain, you have an extra skill to run. As for the argument about healing power, you will have enough so it does not matter. If there was'nt enough healing you would'nt be playing a hybrid healer. I don't think high elf is really worth it, the stamina passive is meh, you either go Dunmer because you're going full dd spec on some fights, or you're going Khajiit because you're hybrid healing but still chasing some damage. Or you go Breton which is objectively the best healing race, just doing healing.Most OwOrated healer of all time0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
Yeah, right? These humans with their weird round faces on the other hand... I saw one, a few years ago...
@Syldras As Oblivion faces go, that one is just extra hilarous! That actually require a bit of work to make him look like that.
And yes, I hear people talk about the beauty of bretons, but they all got such round or softly square faces, like children. Their Imperial cousins look a lot better because they got some good cheekbones and jawlines going on. Not as sharp as a dunmer's but a dunmer's face shall be sharp enough to cut through the hard reality of the world.Edited by NotaDaedraWorshipper on January 16, 2023 7:02PM[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »And yes, I hear people talk about the beauty of bretons, but they all got such round or softly square faces, like children.
@NotaDaedraWorshipper Well, when I travelled to the Systres last year, I had to slap an obtrusive Breton a few times , and his face was more squishy than soft, to be precise.NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Their Imperial cousins look a lot better because they got some good cheekbones and jawlines going on.
A bit better - but still no mer. But at least they bathe, I have heard, so encountering one of them is probably less awful than it is with other humans.@Syldras | PC | EU
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✭✭as a feature on some sort of zombie skin+polymorph+personality (its own category?) might look cool specifically for khajiit/argonian (decaying/damaged tails).0 -
Clyde_BlueSnake✭✭✭Clyde_BlueSnake wrote: »Removing tails would be lore breaking, I doubt they make a such stupid unnecessary option for tail haters or those finds them ugly.
Nothing stopping you from playing as a man or mer. Or using a polymorph.
Lots of Khajiit are born without tails. We call them Ohmes.
As for Argonians ...
The Argonian paper dolls in Arena's character screen is of a front view, the tail could be tilting up, or behind a leg, out of view all we know. (Also I wouldn't actually rely too much on Arena Argonian sprites, for even the Argonian resident NPC sprites within Black Marsh doesn't got tails, both the character paper doll & the NPC sprites are from the same templates that they used for the other races as well. (noting Imperial resident sprites within the Imperial province uses Redguard sprites)Edited by Clyde_BlueSnake on January 16, 2023 7:13PMMain is Blue-Thuxis, a Argonian stamSorc, whose also is a werewolf! 2nd main, Cobalt-Thuxis, a Argonian stamArc, an identical twin sister to Blue-Thuxis, even is a werewolf as well! some alts:Nirn-Scale Rajthux (Argonian, Templar), Ros-Ei Nature-Thuxis (Argonian, Warden), Crimson-Thuxis (Argonian, DK), Bone-Thuxis Tharn (Argonian, Necro) Why Bone-Thuxis has Tharn as a last name:Some ESO history: I originally started from PS4 NA during June 10, 2015, I did reached CP 810+ on there. I eventually kinda got tired of paying PS+, so during February 4, 2019 I started moving to PC NA. Also CP: 810+. Nowadays I play ESO PC mostly, while PS4 is dust.The siblings were separated at a young age due to a Dres slaver raid, Blue, Cobalt, Ros-Ei & their mother were able to escape, Crimson & Bone weren't that lucky. Crimson was later "rescued" by some Orcs that later ambushed the House Dres Dunmers, unfortunately one Dunmer remained & sadly successfully brought the young Bone-Thuxis to the Dres plantation. Later an Imperial, a Tharn, bought Bone at a auction & later told he was free, the young Argonian sadly had no idea where to go & doesn't know if his family was still alive, so the Tharn adopted him into House Tharn. This family of Argonians finally reunited years later., Kenneth Clyde (Nord, Sorc), Selene Gray-Thuxis (Argonian, Nightblade), Urmanda (Orc, Warden)0 -
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Give the Argonians the old clanfear tail spin. If an Khajiit put an dagger on the end of his tail, it should let him combine DW skills with S&B or 2H depending on main weapon 😺huskandhunger wrote: »Option to use tails as weapons pls
Remember playing an old dos game, you crashed on an unknown alien planet and the game became an fantasy rpg, the alien race could have tail daggers, it was also humans on the planet, can not remember the name however.
Edited by zaria on January 16, 2023 7:22PMGrinding just make you go in circles.
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✭✭✭✭✭Clyde_BlueSnake wrote: »Clyde_BlueSnake wrote: »Removing tails would be lore breaking, I doubt they make a such stupid unnecessary option for tail haters or those finds them ugly.
Nothing stopping you from playing as a man or mer. Or using a polymorph.
Lots of Khajiit are born without tails. We call them Ohmes.
As for Argonians ...
The Argonian paper dolls in Arena's character screen is of a front view, the tail could be tilting up, or behind a leg, out of view all we know. (Also I wouldn't actually rely too much on Arena Argonian sprites, for even the Argonian resident NPC sprites within Black Marsh doesn't got tails, both the character paper doll & the NPC sprites are from the same templates that they used for the other races as well. (noting Imperial resident sprites within the Imperial province uses Redguard sprites)
I think Arena Argonians legitimately didn't have tails, although I don't think it was conceptually woven into the lore like Khajiit's lack of tails became the Ohmes furstock. Probably just a case of "the Hist can make Argonians look like whatever they want, just roll with it".
But my point was that if somebody wanted to have their Argonian without a tail, there is precedent in the lore for that to happen. Not that this is the definitive look of Argonians in my opinion, that would be Morrowind.
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Thee_Cheshire_Cat✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I don't understand how you can be against it. I can turn my helmet off in game but keep them stats, that's apparently realistic, but I can't turn off my tail?
Apples to Oranges. Hide Helmet is a very common option in video games. You are asking to remove a limb. This is like me wanting to play my Dunmer without arms.
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Amerises✭✭✭✭There is an option. Actually 8 options, to be exact. I’m not sure I understand the issue here 🤔3
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KilianDermoth✭✭✭✭Then I hope you arent driving cars, because windshield wipers are more mesmerizing 🤣2
