Add Dungeon\trial reward in CrownStore

blue_peaceful_Manticore

INM wrote: »

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I dont know, if ZoS will add this in CrownStore or not... But i trully prefere, pay for achiv in CrownStore then things like:

pay for Run Sellers, so they can sell the gold in 3sites. (I never tought about this, and im not saying it's 100% the case. But is this possible? Yes.100% Possible)


Edit: And the more i think about all of this, more clear is to me. This is a very very nice way to get Real Money from eso.

1) Bring all TOP Elite God Players into same side\team
2) Tell them t: "Dont make free runs and you will be pay in real money"
3) Avoid make team\group\runs with all who are not in the "team"
4) Tell them anything you can to make the Run Sell
5) When we get the gold.... we sell it again in sites. We get the Real Money, you get payed, gold return into the game


And i will stop.... the more i think about all of this... the more clear it is.

Im done.

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fizl101

For the record I am not a run seller and have vet completions, most hard modes and purely 1 trial trifecta.

The fact that some players are good enough to be able to sell runs for people who want to role play certain titles, or get achievements because they are a completionist but dont have the skills themselves or just like the skin/mount/whatever is not ‘unfair’. It isn’t your only route to get those achievements. If you cant find a prog group you can join consider making one of your own with like minded players!

There are hardly any rewards for end game trial/dungeon players as it is, putting those rewards into the crown store is not the way to go.

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lardvader

No! And it should be against the ToS to sell the carries. 99% of the ppl on my ignore list are skin and title sellers.

svendf

250 mill for GS on PC. Was it ? That in it self is an achievement. Many will not be able to get that much gold. I don´t know how manny of those carry group´s are still in ESO, on PC.

On console I know a few and they don´t play ESO. Some I see play COD, Lost Arc, FF14. There isn´t much for them left in ESO it seems. They move on and jump to other things. Most of them don´t park in ESO and hope for customers to pop up. They have their own gaming life.

The price ? You will get different anwers on that one. Lagg of competition could be one, as many groups have joined other things to do.

After 12k hours in ESO I have changed my mind about paying for runs. In the beginning of my ESO adventures I was against it, because those times was different. Now I accept it and understand it, but many aren´t able to rise that much gold. Some are collecting mounts or want the acheivement store unlock, which is understandeble.

The gate keeping is way out of controle in this game. You can get kicked from a prog group because some ones friend just entered ESO and of cause their group, their rules.

To get away from bad guilds and, what not. Adding a trial finder will in crease people´s chances to get involved with that kind of content. It will also increase chances to get the achievement. Access will alway´s increase chances to get, what people are looking for. Don´t get your hopes up too high for that kind of tool, though.

Some will alway´s be against a tool like that and bring up dooms day scenarios, but it will increase everybody´s chance, who are looking for a unlock or interested in special mounts.

OP I wish you all the luck possible and hope you will get, what you are looking fore. I had a hope, that ZOS would be getting more into community building a bit more, but it don´t seems to be the case. The more access a community have to full fill their goals, the more at ease it will be with it self and feel as one.

Anyway´s good luck

boi_anachronism_

BahometZ wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

Do understand as well that if you are buying a god slayer title for example not only do they have complete it no death in the time frame on hard mode but they are also doing it short one player. We are talking about the tippy top of players that can do this and there aren't many, less after 35.

Godslayer is an account carry. Someone logs into your account and plays for you. It's a full roster. It's not even about 11 people doing the work, it's the one person not dying, which means being in the right place at the right time all the time, and obeying mechanics AND also doing the necessary damage.

Besides, you can buy titles with crowns, it's just that the crowns in question would be a proxy currency for either gold or real world cash. If ZOS can play that game then so can players. Caveat emptor.

No I'm sorry that is simply not true. Carry's typically involve the person dying before they enter the trial (or rather the first trash pack) This is a known fact. The only time I've heard of this not happening is a VCR+3 where they weren't going for the trifecta and the other player asked to actually do the trial with them and was good enough they got Griffin heart anyway when they hadn't planned for it. Many folks who do carries talk about this. I was in a guild for a while that did trifecta carries (I didn't do them myself) and that is exactly what they did.

Khrogo

I’m a bit confused by this post. OP, you want skins added to the Crown Store? Hell, no. I’m no Godslayer but I respect the time, devotion and skill that goes into becoming one. Why should the achievement be devalued by someone who believes they are entitled to the title without putting in the work?

If you really want the achievement, maybe drop the Oakensoul Ring that is holding you back. Legitimately earning a title is far more satisfying than paying for it. About three years ago, when vSS first came out, I switched from Xbox to PC. I fell in with a really good Trials team who took a chance on a 250CP DK healer in one of their runs. After a couple of runs, they liked my healing stats and gave me a permanent place as group healer. When we started progressing HM, I switched to Warden, for obvious reasons. About four weeks later, I was an Extinguisher of Flames, at 400-something CP.

Getting the achievement was, without a shadow of doubt, the absolute high point of my time playing ESO. I had put my mind to something and, together as a group, we had prevailed. Given how brutal vSS HM seemed, I take my hat off to the Godslayers. That’s some serious dedication. Putting skins in the Store would only cheapen their effort. You may claim that it’s “not fair”, but it seems perfectly fair to me that someone without the requisite skill or resolve should be denied the most prestigious trophies in the game.

svendf

lardvader wrote: »

No! And it should be against the ToS to sell the carries. 99% of the ppl on my ignore list are skin and title sellers.

It really shouldn´t as people should be allowed to use their gold the way they want. You can bend it towards a violation if real money are involved, but why report it ? Who will it gain ? Not player´s as I see it.

blktauna

No those achievement prizes should not be in the crown store, ever.

MEBengalsFan2001

Bithabus wrote: »

If you pay 200m for a carry you're hiring the best players in the game. They earned that money, not zos.

200m for a trial run is a like paying $100,000 for a brand new Hyundai accent base model, over priced. Most trial runs I have seen go for 2-3m, which is reasonable.

At 200M a run each of the 11 other players are making around 18 million gold. Converting that into crowns is around 90,000-180,000 crowns. That's a lot of crown for one player to complete one trial run. Not worth it.

Also just because you paid for that run doesn't mean you will get what you paid for, so I would simply not offer to pay, especially at that price.

INM

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

200m for a trial run is a like paying $100,000 for a brand new Hyundai accent base model, over priced. Most trial runs I have seen go for 2-3m, which is reasonable.

It's a price for a Godslayer run and not for a simple clear. The price is that high because the difficulty is corresponding. A simple clear is 100 times cheaper. Literally.

PeacefulAnarchy

FYI those prices are on PCNA, where the crown exchange is in the 1000-1500 range, not 100-150 like on console. So, while still highly inaccessible, it's an order of magnitude more accessible (both in crown prices and in achievable self made gold) than the calculations people are doing.

redlink1979

It's not ok to pay players with in-game gold but it's ok to pay ZOS with real money? lol

FYI It's not hard to cash in hundreds of millions in trading.

thorwyn

A carry run is a trading activity just like any other trading activity. Someone spends time and effort to get a product and convert that product into gold. It doesn' make a difference whether the product is a corn flower or a carry run, it is technically the same process. As long as there is a market with sellers, buyers and prices, people will continue trading whether you like it or not. What people are doing with their ingame gold is their decision.
Now, trading ingame gold for real money is a different thing of course. That's a violation of the TOS and should be handled accordingly.

wolfie1.0.

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@ZOS_Volpe you might as well close the thread it isn't exactly a productive conversation.

perfiction

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

BahometZ wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

Do understand as well that if you are buying a god slayer title for example not only do they have complete it no death in the time frame on hard mode but they are also doing it short one player. We are talking about the tippy top of players that can do this and there aren't many, less after 35.

Godslayer is an account carry. Someone logs into your account and plays for you. It's a full roster. It's not even about 11 people doing the work, it's the one person not dying, which means being in the right place at the right time all the time, and obeying mechanics AND also doing the necessary damage.

Besides, you can buy titles with crowns, it's just that the crowns in question would be a proxy currency for either gold or real world cash. If ZOS can play that game then so can players. Caveat emptor.

No I'm sorry that is simply not true. Carry's typically involve the person dying before they enter the trial (or rather the first trash pack) This is a known fact. The only time I've heard of this not happening is a VCR+3 where they weren't going for the trifecta and the other player asked to actually do the trial with them and was good enough they got Griffin heart anyway when they hadn't planned for it. Many folks who do carries talk about this. I was in a guild for a while that did trifecta carries (I didn't do them myself) and that is exactly what they did.

You're wrong (or misinformed at best). The method you describes works only for dungeons - you die before queueing for dungeon finder, then after ready check you land inside dungeon while still roleplaying as a carpet. Since nobody died inside the dungeon, the achievement is granted.

Dungeon finder for trials does not exist so you have to port in manually, and you cannot port in while being dead. Dying at the start of the run - in the lobby, before going through the door and starting the timer - still counts as death (even if you don't res and maintain your 36/36 vitality score bonus, it's still a death so no-no for the achievement). The only way to carry someone through trifecta is to either account share (which is against TOS) or make them wear tanky sets, slot [snip]tons of self heals and stand somewhere safe spamming heals and shields while remaining 11 players are doing the job.

/edit: self-censored before mods do it for me lul

blue_peaceful_Manticore

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@ZOS_Volpe you might as well close the thread it isn't exactly a productive conversation.

Why not?
are we getting into too delicate subjects? Subjects that involve the sale of runs with well-defined final objectives?
Did someone break any rule?
We all discussion many points in here. And the more i read some comments, like yours, more sence this "well-defined final objectives" make sence to me.

I so no reason at all why it's ok Sell runs ingame, but its not ok sell achiv in Crownstore, unless, Final objective are, like i say:

1) Bring all TOP Elite God Players into same side\team
2) Tell them t: "Dont make free runs and you will be pay in real money"
3) Avoid make team\group\runs with all who are not in the "team"
4) Tell them anything you can to make the Run Sell
5) When we get the gold.... we sell it again in sites. We get the Real Money, you get payed, gold return into the game

only this make sence. Nothing more.

And yes. They can closed topic.

the more i think about all of this.... More angry i stay, cuz, maybe all of this its even bigger then i tought. There's enought room in here for many people make real money in here. Alot of room... and i can imagine, many many people involve in all of this.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

This thread is everything that's wrong with the world today. Entitlement is the only word that even comes close to describing what is going on here. Are you kidding me? You want Godslayer to be for sale in the crownstore? That is literally the worst thing I have ever heard on these forums.

FluffWit

Ok I get wanting a skin you haven't earned. The skin looks cool. You like the skin. Great.

But wanting to run a title you haven't earned?

blue_peaceful_Manticore

FluffWit wrote: »

Ok I get wanting a skin you haven't earned. The skin looks cool. You like the skin. Great.

But wanting to run a title you haven't earned?

No, i dont care about any achivment like GodSlayer. This is not only about GodSlayer. Its about all they sell.

Worm Wizard. Players who sell runs, they sell it? Add it in crown Store.
Z'Manja's Shadow. Players who sell runs, they sell it? Add it in crown Store.
Sanctified Silver. Players who sell runs, they sell it? Add it in crown Store.
GodSlayer. Players who sell runs, they sell it? Add it in crown Store.
And etc....

This is what i wanna see in CrownStore.

Necrotech_Master

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

What the OP is simply stating is that for him to get into content with oakensoul to earn top awards, even if he met the DPS requirements and knew all of the content mechanics, he would still have to pay gold to get into content. Since that is basically like paying crowns to buy these items he is simply asking the devs to put them into the crown store.

For the OP that won't happen because ESO is a not a pay to advance game. If ESO was 100% free to play than your request may come to fruitation, but as long as ESO has a pay to play model your request won't see the light of day.

As for those that are attacking the OP and telling him to use two bars, etc...

I agree that two bars is better for DPS. You have one bar with your DoT/Buffs and the other with some additional DoT but mainly your burst abilities. Being able to keep up the DoTs and buff along with rotating between burst abilities is how a great player is able to produce maximum damage.

I know I can do a full rotation with both bars and do very well. The issue we have is we assume said player using oakensoul is not able to execute a double bar build and simply are asking for a carry through content, etc..

What if the OP had no issues with a double bar build until recently due to a injury that has limited his ability to properly swap bars either physical or mental? This is something we as a player base need to consider, is the player using oakensoul to help them due to a disability they don't want to dive into or discuss with others.

I do agree with the OP about buying runs and getting skins, etc... it just isn't right and shouldn't be allowed, but crown crate buying for gold is no better IMO. Both of these if anything benefits ZoS more than the player base. It keeps player playing to earn gold from other players, player wanting gold to sell crown which gets more crown bought if more gold is needed, etc... ZoS gets the benefit and is why both have not been removed form the game.

If I ran a guild that did skin runs and what not, I wouldn't care if a player is using oakensoul as long as they are pulling their own weight. Seen too many players get past on in a game simply because they didn't use ABC but were still very effective with XYZ.

Bruh no one is gonna sell enough crowns to get 280m gold to buy a run. That would be astronomically expensive like beyond whale, like you have a serious, serious problem. Dunno about PC but on console the exchange rate is about 100-125g per crown. That's 280,000,000 divided by 100. Multiply by the price of crown packs with the largest being 21k at $150. You do the math.

And no. Bloody hell. You don't have to pay gold to get into content with proper DPS and good mechanical knowledge. That's patently false. You find a good guild and put in the time. Period. My freaking gm ran oaken for a while in content. It's far from unheard of.

on PC i see crown prices usually for about 1200-1500g per crown, but to get 280 million selling crowns it would still be a large quantity (to get exactly 280 million gold for crowns, you would have to sell 200,000 crowns at 1400g per crown on PC market) (outside of a crown sale 21000 crowns costs $150, so even with the higher pc crown price that would still cost around $1500 to make 280 million gold selling crowns lol)

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