Add Dungeon\trial reward in CrownStore

sarahthes

Bithabus wrote: »

If you pay 200m for a carry you're hiring the best players in the game. They earned that money, not zos.

Not only that, but it's pixel money in a pixel game. It's not even real.

sarahthes

EnKor wrote: »

Or maybe, maybe all of this blablabla about its not OK get rewards from CrownSore, but its OK if we pAY... maybe, cuz some people in here... Sell it!!!! Maybe thats the real problem.

What about that?

-If you don't sell runs... why do you care if i pay for a run seller, or for ZoS?
-But, if you sell.... that will be a problem. No?

I never thought I would be a trifecta player either. My first dummy parse was 35K on the trial dummy (and 16K on the 6m dummy before the trial dummy came out). And yet here I am with most trifectas, some of them multiple times, and some of them as the raid lead.

If I can do it, literally anyone can. It wasn't even that much hard work and effort as far as improving my play went.

Cazador

While I may not have trifecta achievements or rewards I do have skins from progressions from vhof and vmaw and the like. I'd be a bit peeved if stuff I committed effort towards was just suddenly in the crown store.

Tannus15

I don't sell runs.
Hell, I don't have my trifectas either because I don't want the frustration.

What I can say is that if you have a good attitude and can do your fair share in a trial then it's not actually that hard to get into some HM progs and then work towards trifecta groups.

I've had a bunch of guys start doing trials with my guild and then gone on to other guilds to get their trifectas.

Have you considered that your attitude of entitlement might be off putting to a group that is setting up to prog something multiple times a week for months?

Tenthirty2

OP, I'm trying to understand your point where you say it's not ok to pay other players gold(fictional currency) to earn rewards for you, but you ARE ok with these same rewards being put in the Crown Store and paying real-world money for them?...
TBH we need MORE items from the CS earnable IN-GAME, not the other way around ( Won't happen I know bcz: ZoS ).

Yes I buy stuff from the CS, but my point is more of the CS things should be able to be won by playing the game, not by paying the game.

Regarding carries, I don't do them, likely never will as I don't see the benefit for me. I prefer to play solo and what I can't solo I can either:
A: train harder and learn the content so I can do it or
B: accept that the content is beyond my skill and\or my playstyle.

I think I understand your point if it's based around the ethics of what it means to "earn" or "Achieve" a reward and how carries defeat that. But that's a hill to best avoid dying on IMO.

I do wonder at the motivation in someone wanting to essentially buy a title, I don't get it.
Like, if I EARN something it comes with the best reward, a sense of accomplishment.
Having pushed yourself beyond yourself to achieve something awesome.

The first time I soloed LoM and MF, now THAT felt good, damn good (and painful lol) I don't remember if I got a title with that but that feeling of pushing myself, it's STILL with me.
When I finally got Grand Master Crafter I actually wore that title for a few days, I was proud of getting there!
But I wore it for ME, after a few days I took it off anyway and went back to walking around as plain 'ol little me.

If I ever earned Godslayer, heck yeah I'd wear it, might even leave that one up indefinitely. I've read what that takes so anyone that does\has earned it, heck yeah hats off to you and your group.
But BUY it?? Ok?
I suspect that some players buying a title like that aren't really buying it for themselves. Without the actual feeling of accomplishment behind it, they are just empty words.
More likely they are buying it for everyone else, bcuz they think others may be impressed.
They aren't.
And the ones that briefly are, will realize their misplaced impression when they see that player die repeatedly to things like not moving out of the "red circles", etc.

There are other reasons for wanting to buy a carry certainly and I am not saying any of them are "wrong".
But sometimes I feel that there is too much value put on titles and what other people may think.
People tend to forget that games are supposed to be about FUN and the experience of the adventure.

[Edited for minor bashing]

Tannus15

@Tenthirty2 There are the achievement hunter crowd who are literally just after 100% completion. It's not about the title or the skill, it's just about having all the achievements. They know they will never "earn" it, so they buy it.

There are also the housing people who likewise have no intention of doing vSS HM but really really want those dragon statues unlocked. Title or status mean nothing, it's all about the furnishings.

acastanza_ESO

Heelie wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Oakensoul users can absolutely complete vet trials. Find a better guild, because everything including vRG and vDSR can be run by Oakensoul users without issue (assuming their build is put together correctly).

Tale am Oakenbaby build into vCR and find yourself dissapointed.

I've been in vCR with okaensoul users (although just +0, can't speak to ++). It didn't cause problems. From my understanding, the voltaic overload mechanic was silently adjusted to not disproportionately punish okaensoul builds. It appears that with okaensoul equiped, it doesn't deal the AOE damage to other players (or at least it is significantly reduced), and doesn't ramp up - instead just becoming DOT than can be out healed.

RMW

I mean if you want to pay ZoS you can always sell crowns and then the players, everyone gets paid!

Jokes aside, it is not unfair that not every player can get all achievements. I won't get the furnishings I want from ToT either but so is life.

And you can always make your own group and prog. Make your own rules and get the achievement yourself.

I don't really understand your problem tbh...
Do you hate other players selling runs?
Do you hate requirements for prog groups?
Do you think you can't find a group with Oakensoul?
Do you want the reward but don't want to prog it for months?

wolfie1.0.

redspecter23 wrote: »

If you want to buy skins/achievements in store, you can already do that.

Spend money on crowns.
Use crown to gold to gift to players and earn gold.
Use that gold to buy the runs.

In that way you can buy skins with crowns (with an added step). You already have the tools you need to accomplish your goal without requiring ZOS to do anything. Sure, it would be easier for you if there were an integrated system in the crown store, but what you want is already doable.

They probably already are in the process but realized just how many crowns they would have to sell to get their skin. Which I would believe would be around 200k ish crowns based on the price the op quoted.

Imo if zos sells these skins in crowns they should cost 250k crowns each, and can not be gifted. Make it so that the people that really really want it, pay for the experience.

FluffyBird

EnKor wrote: »

Or maybe, maybe all of this blablabla about its not OK get rewards from CrownSore, but its OK if we pAY... maybe, cuz some people in here... Sell it!!!! Maybe thats the real problem.

What about that?

-If you don't sell runs... why do you care if i pay for a run seller, or for ZoS?
-But, if you sell.... that will be a problem. No?

In all your rage you are missing one important detail. Assuming that crown store price and gold price would be equivalent according to current rates, just to get this out of the picture:
- if you buy a trifecta reward from crown store, it costs ZOS a bit to make it and almost nothing to keep in crown store
- if you buy a trifecta carry from other players, it cost them many, many hours (and tons of effort) to get to the level where they can do that being one player short + a bit of time (and a lot of effort still) for the actual run

Your effort is the same, seller's effort is different. Do you deserve that reward? Not with that attitude. Does ZOS deserve your money here? Not really. Do carrying players deserve that gold? Absolutely.

And raging about what other players get when they do what you don't do looks funny at best. Makes one think Oakensoul wasn't the real reason you didn't get a group.

blue_peaceful_Manticore

RMW wrote: »

Do you hate other players selling runs?

Not hate them... Unless, they are the same who say in guilds\Discord\forum: "You cant go cuz you use onebar build."

RMW wrote: »

Do you hate requirements for prog groups?

Ofc not. requirements make sence.

RMW wrote: »

Do you think you can't find a group with Oakensoul?

i have 100% sure of that. To go Hunt something like VRG HM its very very very hard. Why?
for two reason:
1) I use onebar build
2) Guild\Discord will not take us. Cuz they prefere sell the run and give excuse about: "You're not good enough with one bar"

RMW wrote: »

Do you want the reward but don't want to prog it for months?

I wanna the reward ofc. And i really think it's more fair go hunt for that achiv.
But, hunt is not pay. And if we're not good enought to join in that kind of trial. Why im good enought to pay 280m for a carry?! Make no sence.

Pay for achiv carry? No
Pay for achiv in CrownStore? Why not?!

Tenthirty2

Tannus15 wrote: »

@Tenthirty2 There are the achievement hunter crowd who are literally just after 100% completion. It's not about the title or the skill, it's just about having all the achievements. They know they will never "earn" it, so they buy it.

There are also the housing people who likewise have no intention of doing vSS HM but really really want those dragon statues unlocked. Title or status mean nothing, it's all about the furnishings.

TY, I guess I can see that, makes sense.
Likely the same people who are asking for help with whatever WBs in a zone, doing the circuit just to get them cleared.
I guess to me, approaching things that way feels more like a job? or a task list?
But to each their own and if it brings them what they hope to get out of it that's what matters

Tannus15

EnKor wrote: »

RMW wrote: »

Do you hate other players selling runs?

Not hate them... Unless, they are the same who say in guilds\Discord\forum: "You cant go cuz you use onebar build."

RMW wrote: »

Do you hate requirements for prog groups?

Ofc not. requirements make sence.

RMW wrote: »

Do you think you can't find a group with Oakensoul?

i have 100% sure of that. To go Hunt something like VRG HM its very very very hard. Why?
for two reason:
1) I use onebar build
2) Guild\Discord will not take us. Cuz they prefere sell the run and give excuse about: "You're not good enough with one bar"

RMW wrote: »

Do you want the reward but don't want to prog it for months?

I wanna the reward ofc. And i really think it's more fair go hunt for that achiv.
But, hunt is not pay. And if we're not good enought to join in that kind of trial. Why im good enought to pay 280m for a carry?! Make no sence.

Pay for achiv carry? No
Pay for achiv in CrownStore? Why not?!

if you're paying for a carry your skill is irrelevant because you're literally not doing anything. for a trifecta clear you die, they don't res you and they clear the trial.

to join a prog group you need to make sure you're not the person holding the group back. there is way more to it than just 1 bar or not. if you're dead all the time or you can't do a mechanic because you can't slot a skill because you only have 5 skills on the bar, or your burst sucks or any other number of reasons then you'll be turned away for good reason.

I've had to rotate out weaker players for better players to get the clear and then rotate them back in to get their clear after we have a trial locked down. That's the reality of prog groups. It's a matter of slowly improving and fixing the 100s of small mistakes everyone is making until it's good enough to clear.

N3CR01

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Heelie wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Oakensoul users can absolutely complete vet trials. Find a better guild, because everything including vRG and vDSR can be run by Oakensoul users without issue (assuming their build is put together correctly).

Tale am Oakenbaby build into vCR and find yourself dissapointed.

I've been in vCR with okaensoul users (although just +0, can't speak to ++). It didn't cause problems. From my understanding, the voltaic overload mechanic was silently adjusted to not disproportionately punish okaensoul builds. It appears that with okaensoul equiped, it doesn't deal the AOE damage to other players (or at least it is significantly reduced), and doesn't ramp up - instead just becoming DOT than can be out healed.

This basically. I did vCR +1 last night and was doing just as much damage as the other DD's.
Also, I was outhealing the Overload mech but when I told them this, they didn't believe me, said it wasn't possible (yet I wasn't dying nor killing anyone else...) and asked me to remove Oakensoul... which I did but then my damage tanked.

But anyways, I've done vCR +0 several times with the ring and now +1 and held my own damage wise.

BahometZ

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

Do understand as well that if you are buying a god slayer title for example not only do they have complete it no death in the time frame on hard mode but they are also doing it short one player. We are talking about the tippy top of players that can do this and there aren't many, less after 35.

Godslayer is an account carry. Someone logs into your account and plays for you. It's a full roster. It's not even about 11 people doing the work, it's the one person not dying, which means being in the right place at the right time all the time, and obeying mechanics AND also doing the necessary damage.

Besides, you can buy titles with crowns, it's just that the crowns in question would be a proxy currency for either gold or real world cash. If ZOS can play that game then so can players. Caveat emptor.

jtm1018

EnKor wrote: »

I know you (ZoS) say nothing about this: and for you (ZoS) its all ok with others selling runs.


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But, for me, it's not ok pay 280M for one Skin. it's not ok pay 280M for Godslayer. For me, it's not ok when i have to pay to anyone cuz i'm one bar user (OakenSoul) and there's not even one guild who take Oakensoul users in this kind of run.

Many will say... you can do this, you can do that. No! Some players can't do perfect rotations and make 150k damage. Many many many can't!!!! That's why people use OakenSoul. But even, if we have 110k with Oakensoul, Guilds will not take us. Never! Only because we use Oakensoul ring. We have damage.... But they dont like one bar users!

It's not fair, if all we can do is: "Pay for others, or forget it" It's not fair.


So, can you (ZoS) add that kind of reward in Crownstore\Endeavors please?

Wow, seriously?
Using oakensoul ring will ban you from buying trial carry?
280million? That price just melted my gray matter.

Nefas

AKCSHUALLY, it's 480 million gold on PC/NA for Godslayer.

CE_Nex

Nefas wrote: »

AKCSHUALLY, it's 480 million gold on PC/NA for Godslayer.

5% discount if you're a Twitch subscriber to a Hardmode Stream Team Member.

Artim_X

You don't have to get every reward the game has to offer, but rewards exist to encourage players to strive for greater heights. Ex: My desire for a maelstrom staff made me a better player and then my desire to get a flawless maelstrom run made me a decent player. Those carry runs take a great deal of effort from those carrying others. I don't like the idea of someone paying to be carried, but they did pay a significant amount for significant effort.

If you are truly convinced that an Oakensoul build is unwanted in trials, then make a guild for one bar peeps.

spartaxoxo

EnKor wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

".... Stable progression and desire to improve is the key to success, not going through cheap shortcuts..."

But if we PAY... Noone care about shortcuts cuz, It's all ok!!!

.... because the other 11 people in the guild put in the work to get that good. And if they want the reward for their efforts to be coin, that's their prerogative. Being able to sell carries is a reward, in and of itself, for getting good at the content.

ZoS allowing people to be rewarded for their hard work isn't the same as them selling titles in the cash shop.

CrashTest

No bc those are earned rewards. Just bc you yourself didn't earn them if you buy a carry, 11 other people did actually earn them and you are paying them for all their time and effort to get to the point where they can play the hardest content with one less person bc they let you join.

You are essentially paying for their skill.

They're selling you their own earned achievements.

EnKor wrote: »

But even, if we have 110k with Oakensoul, Guilds will not take us. Never! Only because we use Oakensoul ring. We have damage.... But they dont like one bar users!

You're severely overestimating Oaken if you think a raid of 8 Oakensoul DPS can trifecta the hardest trials. If you don't believe me, form your own raid of all DPS wearing OS and try to trifecta vDLCs.

Afterwards, you should finally understand why guilds need more than OS.

perfiction

EnKor wrote: »

Or maybe, maybe all of this blablabla about its not OK get rewards from CrownSore, but its OK if we pAY... maybe, cuz some people in here... Sell it!!!! Maybe thats the real problem.

What about that?

-If you don't sell runs... why do you care if i pay for a run seller, or for ZoS?
-But, if you sell.... that will be a problem. No?

Or maybe, maybe just git gud and earn the achievements instead of hoping that the wallet will fix all your issues?

Btw I have a better idea, let me rephrase your thread title: Add CrownStore rewards to Dungeons\trials.

jecks33

I'm against every type of pay to win, even the ones with in-game money.

If you can't earn something by yourself, you don't deserve it

Envvy

hell to the NO. I worked my butt off on PC and PS5 to get my achievement skins, personalities and titles. If I could just buy them, why would I? Achieving these things MAKE the skins etc feel good. Like hell yeah, I did that. If you want that badly pay gold. The players carrying you deserve it. OR make your own group and prog this stuff, in your own group who gives a f if you're using one bar build? as long as your damage is high enough you can do it.

Envvy

sarahthes wrote: »

EnKor wrote: »

Or maybe, maybe all of this blablabla about its not OK get rewards from CrownSore, but its OK if we pAY... maybe, cuz some people in here... Sell it!!!! Maybe thats the real problem.

What about that?

-If you don't sell runs... why do you care if i pay for a run seller, or for ZoS?
-But, if you sell.... that will be a problem. No?

I never thought I would be a trifecta player either. My first dummy parse was 35K on the trial dummy (and 16K on the 6m dummy before the trial dummy came out). And yet here I am with most trifectas, some of them multiple times, and some of them as the raid lead.

If I can do it, literally anyone can. It wasn't even that much hard work and effort as far as improving my play went.

The same with me. I didn't think I'd complete trifectas and yet here I am. Didn't think I'd clear vet trials, again here I am. Took a lot of time, working to make my build good enough to do content. If I can do it, anyone can. It just takes time and practice. We didn't just wake up one day amazing at ESO, you have to put time in.

boi_anachronism_

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

What the OP is simply stating is that for him to get into content with oakensoul to earn top awards, even if he met the DPS requirements and knew all of the content mechanics, he would still have to pay gold to get into content. Since that is basically like paying crowns to buy these items he is simply asking the devs to put them into the crown store.

For the OP that won't happen because ESO is a not a pay to advance game. If ESO was 100% free to play than your request may come to fruitation, but as long as ESO has a pay to play model your request won't see the light of day.

As for those that are attacking the OP and telling him to use two bars, etc...

I agree that two bars is better for DPS. You have one bar with your DoT/Buffs and the other with some additional DoT but mainly your burst abilities. Being able to keep up the DoTs and buff along with rotating between burst abilities is how a great player is able to produce maximum damage.

I know I can do a full rotation with both bars and do very well. The issue we have is we assume said player using oakensoul is not able to execute a double bar build and simply are asking for a carry through content, etc..

What if the OP had no issues with a double bar build until recently due to a injury that has limited his ability to properly swap bars either physical or mental? This is something we as a player base need to consider, is the player using oakensoul to help them due to a disability they don't want to dive into or discuss with others.

I do agree with the OP about buying runs and getting skins, etc... it just isn't right and shouldn't be allowed, but crown crate buying for gold is no better IMO. Both of these if anything benefits ZoS more than the player base. It keeps player playing to earn gold from other players, player wanting gold to sell crown which gets more crown bought if more gold is needed, etc... ZoS gets the benefit and is why both have not been removed form the game.

If I ran a guild that did skin runs and what not, I wouldn't care if a player is using oakensoul as long as they are pulling their own weight. Seen too many players get past on in a game simply because they didn't use ABC but were still very effective with XYZ.

Bruh no one is gonna sell enough crowns to get 280m gold to buy a run. That would be astronomically expensive like beyond whale, like you have a serious, serious problem. Dunno about PC but on console the exchange rate is about 100-125g per crown. That's 280,000,000 divided by 100. Multiply by the price of crown packs with the largest being 21k at $150. You do the math.

And no. Bloody hell. You don't have to pay gold to get into content with proper DPS and good mechanical knowledge. That's patently false. You find a good guild and put in the time. Period. My freaking gm ran oaken for a while in content. It's far from unheard of.

Tra_Lalan

EnKor wrote: »

It's not fair, if all we can do is: "Pay for others, or forget it" It's not fair.

I would say just the opposite: It is fair.

If you wan't to gain a reward that has specified requirements the only fair way to obtain it should be by meeting those requirements. That is the fair way.
I will never get a godslayer and I'm not complaining about it. Wanting it for money is unfair to those who got it by their effort.

Its like complaining that you can't get a golden medal at the olympics because you're not an athlete.
You just can't have all of it.

blue_peaceful_Manticore

Tra_Lalan wrote: »

EnKor wrote: »

It's not fair, if all we can do is: "Pay for others, or forget it" It's not fair.

I would say just the opposite: It is fair.
If you wan't to gain a reward that has specified requirements the only fair way to obtain it should be by meeting those requirements. That is the fair way.
I will never get a godslayer and I'm not complaining about it. Wanting it for money is unfair to those who got it by their effort.
Its like complaining that you can't get a golden medal at the olympics because you're not an athlete.
You just can't have all of it.

But.. if you pay,you will get your golden medal even if you're not an athlete. That's fair!? You will get it.... if you pay to them.

Tannus15 wrote: »

@EnKor you clearly have no idea how a carry for something like god slayer works.

You die at the start and stay dead until they clear. You pay for them to do the content with 11 and because they are just that good they can.
You know what they don't do? prog you through it. Because you'd die and they'd have to reset over and over and over again.

Anyone who is clearing vet trials and thinks that's somehow the same as HM clears and that HM clears are even remotely close to trifectas are kidding themselves.

The problem with 1 bar builds isn't just the dps, it's also the lack of utility. You can't have situational ults or skills without directly sacrificing skills. Your dps is lower to begin with and if you need to slot something like a shield or a heal it comes at a direct cost of damage. Prog trifecta groups are usually swapping out sets for trash and every boss.

I personally don't have a problem with people bringing any build as long as they pull their weight to my trial runs. But if you want to join our 12 MONTH LONG vRG HM Prog then you're going to need to prove yourself first and we're going to have to have a chat about the weaknesses of your 1 bar setup and how it would affect the rest of the group.

So... if we pay its all ok, make use of bug to selling the run. (like no death)
But it's not OK, if we wanna buy achiv from CrownStore? lol

Many in here who reply. Don't care at all about OakenSoul, or anything. All they care about is making money to sell this kind of runs. And they will use of any excuse to do it.
They will bring anything to say: "You're not good enought".Because at the end all it metters is: Selling the run.

Even if you have more damage then they (as exemple), and you have no deaths at all (can happen)... at the finnal, they will say: "We need someone who use 6 skills+ultimate) and you can't, cuz you have onebar.Cuz once again. All they care about is the money!!!!

Once again. This TOP elite players, who are GOD and sell runs cuz they are GOD and very good and better then any other. All they do is:

1) Force players to buy Crowns and sell them to make 280M. And 280M is something like 140kCrowns
2) Force players to buy gold from gold sellers (Bots)
3) and them... maybe they sell you the gold again in gold sellers.

If you care about the game, explain to me. Why this 2points are better for game\players then buy achiv from CrownStore.

notyuu

EnKor wrote: »

1) Force players to buy Crowns and sell them to make 280M. And 280M is something like 140kCrowns
2) Force players to buy gold from gold sellers (Bots)

If you care about the game, explain to me. Why this 2points are better for game\players then buy achiv from CrownStore.

1: cuz zos makes money off of it and at the end of the day they are a company, not your friend so they would stand by and let you spend vastly more currency to get the gold to pay for the runs

2: there's still bots around? aint seen any on PC-EU ever...so..wut?

3: Nobody is forcing you to buy the gold, you could alwasy earn it, it's possible I mean, I made over 100mil last week selling heartwood alone

Here's a better idea, explain to us, without using strawman arguments or whining like a spoiled child why

1:devaluating the hard work of other players
2: removing the reward/motovation to push and improve at the game
3: making ESO P2W

Would be considered a good thing?

blue_peaceful_Manticore

notyuu wrote: »

EnKor wrote: »

1) Force players to buy Crowns and sell them to make 280M. And 280M is something like 140kCrowns
2) Force players to buy gold from gold sellers (Bots)

If you care about the game, explain to me. Why this 2points are better for game\players then buy achiv from CrownStore.

1: cuz zos makes money off of it and at the end of the day they are a company, not your friend so they would stand by and let you spend vastly more currency to get the gold to pay for the runs

2: there's still bots around? aint seen any on PC-EU ever...so..wut?

3: Nobody is forcing you to buy the gold, you could alwasy earn it, it's possible I mean, I made over 100mil last week selling heartwood alone

Here's a better idea, explain to us, without using strawman arguments or whining like a spoiled child why

1:devaluating the hard work of other players
2: removing the reward/motovation to push and improve at the game
3: making ESO P2W

Would be considered a good thing?

1) Ofc ZoS is one company. That's why i prefer to buy achiv in CrownStore. We are in same line.
2) If gold dont come from bots.. have to be from somewhere. Maybe from run Sellers? They get 280M in game, then maybe, they sell it in 3sites?! Who knows... Its 100% possible. Btw, we are talking about what? 200€? 300€?
3) .....noone is talking about p2w, unless, you saying "Pay them 280M to Win your achiv" lol (This is not pay 2 win? )