Add Dungeon\trial reward in CrownStore

blue_peaceful_Manticore

I know you (ZoS) say nothing about this: and for you (ZoS) its all ok with others selling runs.


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But, for me, it's not ok pay 280M for one Skin. it's not ok pay 280M for Godslayer. For me, it's not ok when i have to pay to anyone cuz i'm one bar user (OakenSoul) and there's not even one guild who take Oakensoul users in this kind of run.

Many will say... you can do this, you can do that. No! Some players can't do perfect rotations and make 150k damage. Many many many can't!!!! That's why people use OakenSoul. But even, if we have 110k with Oakensoul, Guilds will not take us. Never! Only because we use Oakensoul ring. We have damage.... But they dont like one bar users!

It's not fair, if all we can do is: "Pay for others, or forget it" It's not fair.


So, can you (ZoS) add that kind of reward in Crownstore\Endeavors please?

DMuehlhausen

EnKor wrote: »

I know you (ZoS) say nothing about this: and for you (ZoS) its all ok with others selling runs.


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But, for me, it's not ok pay 280M for one Skin. it's not ok pay 280M for Godslayer. For me, it's not ok when i have to pay to anyone cuz i'm one bar user (OakenSoul) and there's not even one guild who take Oakensoul users in this kind of run.

Many will say... you can do this, you can do that. No! Some players can't do perfect rotations and make 150k damage. Many many many can't!!!! That's why people use OakenSoul. But even, if we have 110k with Oakensoul, Guilds will not take us. Never! Only because we use Oakensoul ring. We have damage.... But they dont like one bar users!

It's not fair, if all we can do is: "Pay for others, or forget it" It's not fair.


So, can you (ZoS) add that kind of reward in Crownstore\Endeavors please?

And for the players who can't do perfect rotations and not miss mechanics they don't deserve things like Godslayer title. Not everyone is entitled to everything. To get titles and other rewards like that take 100s of hours or more of practice and working on nothing else. So yeah that's a big ole nope.

fizl101

Why isnt it fair? They are rewards for completing content with some stringent requirements. Its ok for some items to be limited to those who can work through that content.

blue_peaceful_Manticore

fizl101 wrote: »

Why isnt it fair? They are rewards for completing content with some stringent requirements. Its ok for some items to be limited to those who can work through that content.

But if we pay.... Noone care about requirements?! What a joke.

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

EnKor wrote: »

I know you (ZoS) say nothing about this: and for you (ZoS) its all ok with others selling runs.


print

But, for me, it's not ok pay 280M for one Skin. it's not ok pay 280M for Godslayer. For me, it's not ok when i have to pay to anyone cuz i'm one bar user (OakenSoul) and there's not even one guild who take Oakensoul users in this kind of run.

Many will say... you can do this, you can do that. No! Some players can't do perfect rotations and make 150k damage. Many many many can't!!!! That's why people use OakenSoul. But even, if we have 110k with Oakensoul, Guilds will not take us. Never! Only because we use Oakensoul ring. We have damage.... But they dont like one bar users!

It's not fair, if all we can do is: "Pay for others, or forget it" It's not fair.


So, can you (ZoS) add that kind of reward in Crownstore\Endeavors please?

And for the players who can't do perfect rotations and not miss mechanics they don't deserve things like Godslayer title. Not everyone is entitled to everything. To get titles and other rewards like that take 100s of hours or more of practice and working on nothing else. So yeah that's a big ole nope.

But if we pay.... Noone care if we deserve it or not?! What a joke.

fizl101

EnKor wrote: »

fizl101 wrote: »

Why isnt it fair? They are rewards for completing content with some stringent requirements. Its ok for some items to be limited to those who can work through that content.

But if we pay.... Noone care about requirements?! What a joke.

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

EnKor wrote: »

I know you (ZoS) say nothing about this: and for you (ZoS) its all ok with others selling runs.


print

But, for me, it's not ok pay 280M for one Skin. it's not ok pay 280M for Godslayer. For me, it's not ok when i have to pay to anyone cuz i'm one bar user (OakenSoul) and there's not even one guild who take Oakensoul users in this kind of run.

Many will say... you can do this, you can do that. No! Some players can't do perfect rotations and make 150k damage. Many many many can't!!!! That's why people use OakenSoul. But even, if we have 110k with Oakensoul, Guilds will not take us. Never! Only because we use Oakensoul ring. We have damage.... But they dont like one bar users!

It's not fair, if all we can do is: "Pay for others, or forget it" It's not fair.


So, can you (ZoS) add that kind of reward in Crownstore\Endeavors please?

And for the players who can't do perfect rotations and not miss mechanics they don't deserve things like Godslayer title. Not everyone is entitled to everything. To get titles and other rewards like that take 100s of hours or more of practice and working on nothing else. So yeah that's a big ole nope.

But if we pay.... Noone care if we deserve it or not?! What a joke.

Then you have negotiated with 11 other people that they will help you get it. As a group they are good enough to achieve that. Doesnt mean that it then follows those rewards should be available to everyone in the crown store

acastanza_ESO

Oakensoul users can absolutely complete vet trials. Find a better guild, because everything including vRG and vDSR can be run by Oakensoul users without issue (assuming their build is put together correctly).

Can Oakensoul users complete trifecta runs? No, probably not.
Should they be able to? No, probably not.

Oakensoul is a crutch for people not willing/able to completely play the game's mechanics. But if someone is not going to play the game's mechanics, it isn't reasonable for them to expect that they'll be able to get the rewards from the hardest game content.

Asking to make the few good rewards that can be earned in-game into rewards that can just be bought for cash is a big nope for me.

If you can afford the in-game gold to pay other people who are playing at the highest levels of gameplay to get those achievements for you - spending their time and effort to carry you through - more power to you. But these are hard things to accomplish and the people who can do them deserve to be rewarded for it. No one is making you pay for them.

blue_peaceful_Manticore

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Oakensoul users can absolutely complete vet trials. Find a better guild, because everything including vRG and vDSR can be run by Oakensoul users without issue (assuming their build is put together correctly).

Can Oakensoul users complete trifecta runs? No, probably not.
Should they be able to? No, probably not.

Oakensoul is a crutch for people not willing/able to completely play the game's mechanics. But if someone is not going to play the game's mechanics, it isn't reasonable for them to expect that they'll be able to get the rewards from the hardest game content.

Asking to make the few good rewards that can be earned in-game into rewards that can just be bought for cash is a big nope for me.

If you can afford the in-game gold to pay other people who are playing at the highest levels of gameplay to get those achievements for you - spending their time and effort to carry you through - more power to you. But these are hard things to accomplish and the people who can do them deserve to be rewarded for it. No one is making you pay for them.

But if we pay.... Noone care if "Should they be able" or not?!
But if we pay.... Noone care if "going to play the game's mechanics" or not?!
But if we pay.... how this bring "more power to you"?!

I understand all you can say about Rotation\oaken soul blablablabla. I have 105k parse with one bar. Will do say its not enought damage!? I dont belive it!!! Cuz its a lie. Its more then enought damage to go anywhere.
But it's 100% impossible to go... cuz it's onebar!

But... if we pay.... There's no problem at all with nothing!!!! No, it's not fair. It's not.

All excuses you may say, will have no value if we PAY! So... i prefere to Pay ZoS. That's why i ask ZoS if they can make this.

robpr

Many will say... you can do this, you can do that. No! Some players can't do perfect rotations and make 150k damage.

Nobody does that much damage apart for already fixed DK banner bug, it's an exaggeration

Many many many can't!!!! That's why people use OakenSoul. But even, if we have 110k with Oakensoul, Guilds will not take us. Never! Only because we use Oakensoul ring. We have damage.... But they dont like one bar users!

If you do 110k with one bar you will be welcomed everywhere as standard requirement for trifecta trials is usually 90-100k. Apart from CR where you are physically cannot avoid the barswap mechanic.
So I assume you just simply don't want to spend the time improving your own gameplay as other people did and blame it 'because I'm oakensoul user'. Stable progression and desire to improve is the key to success, not going through cheap shortcuts.

inb4 I hate disabled people or I'm toxic elitist.

Sallymen

Or you know... you can actually do the content, put the work into it and be rewarded by completing the achievement needed for the personality, skin, and mount?

Xandreia_

The time it takes to perfect a rotation, get the gear, work out the best positioning, learning mechanics, getting clean clears and learning the trifectas, making sure everyone pulls their weight to get the clears, then offering a service that should not be put in the crown store, takes alot of effort and time, if you can not complete on your own and want the achievements either find a group to run with and get better or pay up 🤷‍♀️

acastanza_ESO

EnKor wrote: »

I understand all you can say about Rotation\oaken soul blablablabla. I have 105k parse with one bar. Will do say its not enought damage!? I dont belive it!!! Cuz its a lie. Its more then enought damage to go anywhere.
But it's 100% impossible to go... cuz it's onebar!

But... if we pay.... There's no problem at all with nothing!!!! No, it's not fair. It's not.

This is not true. One-bar builds are absolutely accepted into vet trial groups. I literally ran a vDSR on Saturday where TWO of the DPS were wearing Oakensoul and we cleared Taleria on the first pull. 100k+ on any build, one-bar or not is more than sufficient for standard vet. It is (probably) not enough for (many of) the hardmodes/trifectas, which take an exceptional level of effort. The expectation to not have to put in that effort and to still be welcomed with open arms is not reasonable.

Buying achievement runs is compensating people who can do something you can't do, for spending their time and effort to earn you a reward. That is perfectly fair. Buying it with real money is not. Spending real money completely devalues the rewards of the people who actually work for it. Now, buying a carry for those rewards does still devalue the reward, but you still needed ELEVEN other people who were capable of earning it themselves (in an even harder version of the gameplay - being down one person) - much less devaluing.

blue_peaceful_Manticore

robpr wrote: »

".... Stable progression and desire to improve is the key to success, not going through cheap shortcuts..."

But if we PAY... Noone care about shortcuts cuz, It's all ok!!!

PeacefulAnarchy

robpr wrote: »

Apart from CR where you are physically cannot avoid the barswap mechanic.

Actually, you can. If you have no backbar weapon voltaic overload only hurts you and only does the base first tick of damage for its duration, no ramping up. So as long as you're getting normal healing it's not an issue. Verified this last night.

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

It is (probably) not enough for (many of) the hardmodes/trifectas, which take an exceptional level of effort. The expectation to not have to put in that effort and to still be welcomed with open arms is not reasonable.

Can't speak for vRGHM and vDSR HM, but all the others are within reach of oakensoul users. They need to put in all the mechanics and organizational effort and time that other users do, though.

I agree with others that if you can parse high with oakensoul, the vast majority of groups won't care that you're using oakensoul. They might care if you can't/don't do the mechanics or other non-oakensoul related things, but oakensoul shouldn't be the barrier. Some mechanics are easier to do with oakensoul, some are harder, it still takes a lot of practice to get steady rotations and react to things in the right way to do really well.

TheTuSiK

I got a few trifectas in the game. To be fair I got almost all of them. I don't have Planesbreaker and Swashbuckler Supreme. Am I not skilled enough to get them? I doubt it. I'm not the best player but I believe I'm good enough to get those after a proper progression with a team. The issue is that my working schedule makes that impossible join any prog group because I wouldn't be able to go with them every time.
Does it make me sad? A bit. My "goal" in the game is to get all achivements and I for a while I've been playing knowing that I probably won't get them all just because of what I mentioned above.
Would adding titles to Crown Store/Endeavors help with that? Absolutely.
Should it be done? Absolutely NOT.
There are people in that game who invested a lot of time a practice to get them. Content creators on YouTube are already pointing out the fact, that ESO doesn't reward enough for the most difficult content in the game compared to other MMORPGs. Instead of showing off a cool mount as a reward for a trifecta we get body marks or mementos while mounts, mementos and bodymarks in Crown Crates are just way better.
Adding titles to the store would just kill the endgame since no one would bother progressing a trial for months when you can get the title in 5 mins by paying enough money. Pay 2 Win all the way.

FeedbackOnly

Say no to pay to win

francesinhalover

EnKor wrote: »

I know you (ZoS) say nothing about this: and for you (ZoS) its all ok with others selling runs.


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But, for me, it's not ok pay 280M for one Skin. it's not ok pay 280M for Godslayer. For me, it's not ok when i have to pay to anyone cuz i'm one bar user (OakenSoul) and there's not even one guild who take Oakensoul users in this kind of run.

Many will say... you can do this, you can do that. No! Some players can't do perfect rotations and make 150k damage. Many many many can't!!!! That's why people use OakenSoul. But even, if we have 110k with Oakensoul, Guilds will not take us. Never! Only because we use Oakensoul ring. We have damage.... But they dont like one bar users!

It's not fair, if all we can do is: "Pay for others, or forget it" It's not fair.


So, can you (ZoS) add that kind of reward in Crownstore\Endeavors please?

wow it used to be 10m back in the day, 40m last year now it's 250m gad damn lol

That being said just wait some years, eventually they will make eso fully casual and all those rewards will be easy to get

Carcamongus

I wanted to be neurosurgeon just like Dr. Derek Shepherd, but my motor coordination is so bad I can't even play surgery sims on Steam. It's so unfair I can't be a talented and handsome specialist, why don't they sell diplomas on eBay or Amazon?



Before anyone accuses me of being okay with selling runs, I don't like that practice, but the devs can't do much about it. No gameplay cheating is being done, the players transact in private and there's an agreed quid pro quo.

wolfie1.0.

IF they do put these in the crown store you do realize that the cost will likely be high.

Also they would need to replace what exists in endgame rewards with something else.

Otherwise, that skin you really want won't mean anything because the game will be dead.

FeedbackOnly

It just occurs to me 280 seems to high. Find a different seller

colossalvoids

It's not the one bar that's an issue, attitude is the key we're seeing here first of all. Surely one bar build also won't make you one of those who put every little detail into consideration for a perfect run but that's a worry for another day so to say, not the culprit.

Jaimeh

When someone pays for a carry run, an optimized group still runs the trial, and admittedly they have an even harder time because they're essentially doing it with 11 people instead of 12. If they sold achieves in the store, no one would even run the trial, so it's a bad extrapolation to make. I'd never buy a carry for myself because I like to earn things, but the fact that in-game carries exist doesn't mean that zos should include achieves in the store, for goodness' sake.

Soarora

No, no, no, no, absolutely not.

Ezhh

EnKor wrote: »

But if we pay.... Noone care if we deserve it or not?! What a joke.

If you pay for a carry run, plenty of people will believe you do not deserve the title. And in almost all cases people will be able to tell, very very quickly, that you must have been carried when they see how you perform. There is a huge difference between earning these things for yourself and buying them.

Tannus15

@EnKor you clearly have no idea how a carry for something like god slayer works.

You die at the start and stay dead until they clear. You pay for them to do the content with 11 and because they are just that good they can.
You know what they don't do? prog you through it. Because you'd die and they'd have to reset over and over and over again.

Anyone who is clearing vet trials and thinks that's somehow the same as HM clears and that HM clears are even remotely close to trifectas are kidding themselves.

The problem with 1 bar builds isn't just the dps, it's also the lack of utility. You can't have situational ults or skills without directly sacrificing skills. Your dps is lower to begin with and if you need to slot something like a shield or a heal it comes at a direct cost of damage. Prog trifecta groups are usually swapping out sets for trash and every boss.

I personally don't have a problem with people bringing any build as long as they pull their weight to my trial runs. But if you want to join our 12 MONTH LONG vRG HM Prog then you're going to need to prove yourself first and we're going to have to have a chat about the weaknesses of your 1 bar setup and how it would affect the rest of the group.

Nestor

I can't get behind the whole I want the reward but don't want to expend the effort approach.

redspecter23

If you want to buy skins/achievements in store, you can already do that.

Spend money on crowns.
Use crown to gold to gift to players and earn gold.
Use that gold to buy the runs.

In that way you can buy skins with crowns (with an added step). You already have the tools you need to accomplish your goal without requiring ZOS to do anything. Sure, it would be easier for you if there were an integrated system in the crown store, but what you want is already doable.

Heelie

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Oakensoul users can absolutely complete vet trials. Find a better guild, because everything including vRG and vDSR can be run by Oakensoul users without issue (assuming their build is put together correctly).

Tale am Oakenbaby build into vCR and find yourself dissapointed.

boi_anachronism_

EnKor wrote: »

I know you (ZoS) say nothing about this: and for you (ZoS) its all ok with others selling runs.


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But, for me, it's not ok pay 280M for one Skin. it's not ok pay 280M for Godslayer. For me, it's not ok when i have to pay to anyone cuz i'm one bar user (OakenSoul) and there's not even one guild who take Oakensoul users in this kind of run.

Many will say... you can do this, you can do that. No! Some players can't do perfect rotations and make 150k damage. Many many many can't!!!! That's why people use OakenSoul. But even, if we have 110k with Oakensoul, Guilds will not take us. Never! Only because we use Oakensoul ring. We have damage.... But they dont like one bar users!

It's not fair, if all we can do is: "Pay for others, or forget it" It's not fair.


So, can you (ZoS) add that kind of reward in Crownstore\Endeavors please?

Do understand as well that if you are buying a god slayer title for example not only do they have complete it no death in the time frame on hard mode but they are also doing it short one player. We are talking about the tippy top of players that can do this and there aren't many, less after 35. All but one of the biggest carry servers closed down from my understanding so the last one is flooded hence the price. They just don't have enough people for the demand. Now I don't personally agree with carrys but I'm not judging anyone. That said you can complete a shocking amount of content with oakensoul. Many teams have run hm trials with everyone wearing it just for fun. It's more then possible. No one, and I do mean no one is breaking 150k. The top end is about 130k at present and I haven't seen a single guild who won't take a mechanically knowledgeable player hitting 110k. My guild runs hm clears at 90k min and accept 80k for progging them.

On top of all that the point of these trifecta rewards is that they are for the best of the best. Not everyone will get them. I certainly won't for a very long time. What wouldn't be fair is to take the precious few rewards these super committed folks get and sell them. It's like selling Olympic medals, it cheapens it. Not everyone is gonna get them. I'm a climber of 10 years. I will never be in the Olympics no matter how hard I train but I would never begrudge these folks who are because they deserve it and guess what? Many pro climber will do private sessions where they will take you on climbs you may not otherwise be able to. You gotta put something in, at least that amount of gold requires a substantial commitment to get if nothing else. You have to be a really solid, dedicated player in that regard at least. I mean how is that fair to folks who cant afford expensive crown store items? There are plenty of shiny mounts and skins in the crown store, most are much nicer then the trifecta ones anyway. That's actually been a sore spot for a lot of players. The answer is to rework the reward system so there are good rewards at all levels not just sell them in the crown store.

MEBengalsFan2001

What the OP is simply stating is that for him to get into content with oakensoul to earn top awards, even if he met the DPS requirements and knew all of the content mechanics, he would still have to pay gold to get into content. Since that is basically like paying crowns to buy these items he is simply asking the devs to put them into the crown store.

For the OP that won't happen because ESO is a not a pay to advance game. If ESO was 100% free to play than your request may come to fruitation, but as long as ESO has a pay to play model your request won't see the light of day.

As for those that are attacking the OP and telling him to use two bars, etc...

I agree that two bars is better for DPS. You have one bar with your DoT/Buffs and the other with some additional DoT but mainly your burst abilities. Being able to keep up the DoTs and buff along with rotating between burst abilities is how a great player is able to produce maximum damage.

I know I can do a full rotation with both bars and do very well. The issue we have is we assume said player using oakensoul is not able to execute a double bar build and simply are asking for a carry through content, etc..

What if the OP had no issues with a double bar build until recently due to a injury that has limited his ability to properly swap bars either physical or mental? This is something we as a player base need to consider, is the player using oakensoul to help them due to a disability they don't want to dive into or discuss with others.

I do agree with the OP about buying runs and getting skins, etc... it just isn't right and shouldn't be allowed, but crown crate buying for gold is no better IMO. Both of these if anything benefits ZoS more than the player base. It keeps player playing to earn gold from other players, player wanting gold to sell crown which gets more crown bought if more gold is needed, etc... ZoS gets the benefit and is why both have not been removed form the game.

If I ran a guild that did skin runs and what not, I wouldn't care if a player is using oakensoul as long as they are pulling their own weight. Seen too many players get past on in a game simply because they didn't use ABC but were still very effective with XYZ.

blue_peaceful_Manticore

Or maybe, maybe all of this blablabla about its not OK get rewards from CrownSore, but its OK if we pAY... maybe, cuz some people in here... Sell it!!!! Maybe thats the real problem.

What about that?

-If you don't sell runs... why do you care if i pay for a run seller, or for ZoS?
-But, if you sell.... that will be a problem. No?

Bithabus

If you pay 200m for a carry you're hiring the best players in the game. They earned that money, not zos.