Galen Treasure maps and the Skin lead drop

Gruumsh1

Sadly, this is a seriously awful implementation. It feels like ZOS doesn't want people to even have the skin. 9/10 leads were challenging but fair but the final lead is ridiculous. I have seen one Galen treasure map (I had no idea where I even got it) and of course it didn't produce the lead.

Does anyone know if this situation has this been looked at and reconsidered by ZOS or are we treading down the usual path of "ZOS - it is what it is and no change is planned" territory?

Cheers!

redspecter23

I haven't personally pulled a single Galen map since the update dropped 2 weeks ago. I'm not necessarily against sourcing some leads through maps, but when you combine it with the fact that you can't realistically farm those maps yourself, it creates the situation we have here.

The prices on these maps will steadily decline over time as both the leads that drop from maps are one time leads. Once you get them both, you have zero reason to dig up that map. You'll pass it down the line to someone else, probably by selling it.

There are a few things they definitely could have done differently to be more player friendly such as making the leads 100% drop chance so you only need 1 or 2 maps for guaranteed completion or implement a system that allows you to farm specific maps in some way. The latter might be a good idea to explore in the future if they plan on adding more leads to maps going forward. It's been an issue in the past and it's still an issue now.

Jaimeh

'You wanted a skin acquired within the game (and not the store)? Why yes, we'll just put it behind behind double RNG'

Dojohoda

I have found one map in a thieves trove and it didn't drop a lead. I completely agree that this is an awful place for the lead.

CGPsaint

Definitely an awful design decision, clearly made by people who don't actually play the content that they create. There's nothing fun about leads locked behind zone-specific maps.

McMasterx

Jaimeh wrote: »

'You wanted a skin acquired within the game (and not the store)? Why yes, we'll just put it behind behind double RNG'

Quadruple:

Chance to get a map for loot, Chance it's Galen, Chance to get a Lead, Chance it's for the Skin/Motif/The-Vulk'esh-egg(also has a chance to drop from maps)

Carcamongus

McMasterx wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

'You wanted a skin acquired within the game (and not the store)? Why yes, we'll just put it behind behind double RNG'

Quadruple:

Chance to get a map for loot, Chance it's Galen, Chance to get a Lead, Chance it's for the Skin/Motif/The-Vulk'esh-egg(also has a chance to drop from maps)

Also note that if you do get a treasure map, there's only 1,075% chance it'll be a Galen one.

Gruumsh1

CGPsaint wrote: »

Definitely an awful design decision, clearly made by people who don't actually play the content that they create. There's nothing fun about leads locked behind zone-specific maps.

Exactly. I figure it would have been better to at least put a chance for it in all maps instead.

Ingenon

I am fairly certain that someone at ZOS has run the numbers, and knows that players currently have a near zero chance of getting the skin by playing the game.

Personally, I'm glad that folks posted about this on the forum, so that I understand that I may never get this skin. I have decided that I don't care if I ever get it.

SilverIce58

Where are we even supposed to get treasure maps from? Not from chests bc I've opened maybe 30 chests since Firesong dropped and haven't seen one.

McMasterx

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Where are we even supposed to get treasure maps from? Not from chests bc I've opened maybe 30 chests since Firesong dropped and haven't seen one.

Maps drop from like, a dozen different sources. The drop chance is immensely low because of it.

boi_anachronism_

But it's an earnable skin brah. I refuse to complain lol. Valid points all but this is a gift horse type situation. 😂

Crimsonwolf666

Not only that, but Galen has some of the rudest players, leaving chests and thieves troves partially taken so they reset slower and players that steal chests once the player who found it is forced to engage in combat. While this rude behavior has been around forever, it has definitely increased on Galen since treasure chests and thieves troves have a small chance to drop a treasure map.
But yeah, while you can only get these leads once and then done, the drop chance is super bad to just get a Galen only treasure map Plus the bad drop rate for the lead itself, while an easier to get lead (that you can get from other sources; aka the Vukesh egg) that has a greater chance of dropping in those maps....really crappy overall.

Gruumsh1

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

But it's an earnable skin brah. I refuse to complain lol. Valid points all but this is a gift horse type situation. 😂

Except this horse is an invisible horse, hiding in a bag of holding, carried by a ghost across an invisible desert....

"Earnable" is a relative term here.

rauyran

How boring this game would be if everyone had all the special loot on the first day. ZOS do things like this to keep variety in the game.

Diebesgut

... visited Galen only one evening, wandering around, looking here and there... two golden leads and a lead for the Vulk'esh-egg, wasn't searching for them, just a relaxed walk...

Grizzbeorn

Based on recent behavior, they *may* expand the options for this lead if people are loud enough.

They did it for the Murkmire Oaksensoul lead, and for the Draoife Storystone lead.

ApoAlaia

Given that the odds of getting either lead from Galen Treasure Maps are - baring some further 'weighing' that they will never disclose - comparable to the odds of getting a motif lead from Treasure Maps pertaining any of the 'Starter islands' I presume that they [the devs] are quite satisfied and don't think any changes are necessary.

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SilverIce58

I honestly don't really care about farming leads or anything, as its cool to me when they drop naturally while playing, however all I want in regards to this is for the drop chance of treasure maps to go up. I'm sure some people do want the instant gratification of 100%ing the dlc in the first couple days, but the majority dont, and just want to see treasure maps drop more frequently. Is that really such a bad thing to want?

Necrotech_Master

i also would agree that treasure map leads are terrible (ALL of them including all of the ancestral motifs) mainly because there is no easy way to farm it without buying 100s of treasure maps

treasure maps have a lot of problems associated with them

• need to be much more common drops
• non-unique items so they can stack kind of like surveys
• almost guaranteed lead chances from them, not 1 in 10 or 1 in 20 chance, but closer to a 50-75% drop chance for leads

Gruumsh1

Diebesgut wrote: »

... visited Galen only one evening, wandering around, looking here and there... two golden leads and a lead for the Vulk'esh-egg, wasn't searching for them, just a relaxed walk...

Awesome. But did you get the Galen treasure map Skin lead...? I'm betting not

rpa

Golden leads drop like hail when one does Galen first time. [snip]

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James-Wayne

Jaimeh wrote: »

'You wanted a skin acquired within the game (and not the store)? Why yes, we'll just put it behind behind double RNG'

This is exactly what is wrong with the (lack of) reward system, when ZOS add rewards they are behind unimaginable rng brick walls and they wonder why we keep complaining about the lack of rewards vs crown offerings.

Why cant they just do what Elden Ring did and just hand you the reward once you get pass the challenge, why add additional layers of randomness to it as well just to annoy the player and push them away from doing the content.

Grega

rauyran wrote: »

How boring this game would be if everyone had all the special loot on the first day. ZOS do things like this to keep variety in the game.

It’s not about people wanting everything in day 1. You won’t get this lead day 1, 20, 100 or a year most likely. Unless if you are prepared to spend millions on maps to expedite the process.

This isn’t a yesterday problem. It’s been an issue with ancestral motifs. ZOS looks like listened and took a step in the right direction and finally ditched ancestral motifs with this DLC. But they still locked 2 leads behind same strategy, rather than 14 of them. And to clarify, mr. “don’t want things on day 1”, much of those ancestral motifs locked behind same maps rng as this lead, are still not being had by 99% players, over a year later. Not day 1. Smh

Diebesgut

Gruumsh1 wrote: »

Awesome. But did you get the Galen treasure map Skin lead...? I'm betting not

... i don't know ... my Khajiit don't care about skins cause they would never misshape their beautiful fur, they don't care about mythic items cause they can't sell them... but they care a lot about housing leads to furnish cozy homes where they can relax and feel comfort... so the housing leads are excavated within seconds minutes, the other leads i have to remember them that theres a timer...

Veinblood1965

Grega wrote: »

rauyran wrote: »

How boring this game would be if everyone had all the special loot on the first day. ZOS do things like this to keep variety in the game.

It’s not about people wanting everything in day 1. You won’t get this lead day 1, 20, 100 or a year most likely. Unless if you are prepared to spend millions on maps to expedite the process.

This isn’t a yesterday problem. It’s been an issue with ancestral motifs. ZOS looks like listened and took a step in the right direction and finally ditched ancestral motifs with this DLC. But they still locked 2 leads behind same strategy, rather than 14 of them. And to clarify, mr. “don’t want things on day 1”, much of those ancestral motifs locked behind same maps rng as this lead, are still not being had by 99% players, over a year later. Not day 1. Smh

Don't get me started on the ancestral motifs, yes we don't HAVE to have them nor do we HAVE to have this new lead. It's just like McMasterx said above. Chance to get a map for loot, Chance it's Galen, Chance to get a Lead, Chance it's for the Skin/Motif/The-Vulk'esh-egg<<<<

Honestly I've become less and less inclined to keep renewing my sub lately over things like this. I understand they have to add a bit of a grind to things like this otherwise it would just be too darn easy. That being said adding an RNG to an RNG is just completely wrong. And I disagree the price will never drop to the point where new people can just buy the map it's a slap in the face. I know me and it's getting very close to time to start playing a different game as no matter how much I do enjoy ESO I won't give my money to companies that cause unnecessary frustration to their customers and aren't treating the new players decently. .

ELDER_HOFF

Friends,
I do not PVE. However, since my guild likes to go green as a group sporting 90% bow blades we decided to go for this skin. The event gives you the ability to farm maps in the reach and Western skyrim. They drop a ton of satchels and purple chests that give you a shot at the lead. I have been gunning for this for hours upon hours and I have gotten a [snip] ton of maps everywhere BUT Galen. for those that do get the map, make that cash. There is undoubtedly some rich *** like me that will buy them for 400k+ at this point in hopes that the pain of this grind will end. I am 12 million in at this point, buying the maps in hopes of ending the search in what is now an angry obsession. I know better, but I don't care. I am at the point where another 10 million in fake gold for these maps may be in my future before it is over. Yes, I feel like a victim, but more like a victim of the same inner voice that tells you that you will win that money back in Vegas after you have lost 200% more than you budgeted. Just one more map and it has to be there.....

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Bouldercleave

I don't chase leads - and THIS crap is why.


Stuff like this is when the game ceases to be a game and turns into a chore. Between work and homeownership, I have PLENTY of chores already.

YandereGirlfriend

ELDER_HOFF wrote: »

Friends,
I do not PVE. However, since my guild likes to go green as a group sporting 90% bow blades we decided to go for this skin. The event gives you the ability to farm maps in the reach and Western skyrim. They drop a ton of satchels and purple chests that give you a shot at the lead. I have been gunning for this for hours upon hours and I have gotten a [snip] ton of maps everywhere BUT Galen. for those that do get the map, make that cash. There is undoubtedly some rich *** like me that will buy them for 400k+ at this point in hopes that the pain of this grind will end. I am 12 million in at this point, buying the maps in hopes of ending the search in what is now an angry obsession. I know better, but I don't care. I am at the point where another 10 million in fake gold for these maps may be in my future before it is over. Yes, I feel like a victim, but more like a victim of the same inner voice that tells you that you will win that money back in Vegas after you have lost 200% more than you budgeted. Just one more map and it has to be there.....

I had a literal LMAO! as I read this at my desk. But as someone who has blown unspeakable amounts of Tel'Var on IC shoulder boxes recently... I also feel your pain.

The Bowz are already so stylish that I'm looking forward to eventually seeing you all rocking this skin. (I just hope that it's not in the context of being focused from the shadows by a bunch of coordinated Toxic Barrages in the hills outside of Bleakers....) I've been a big fan of your Argonian headdresses for ages now.

Wishing you and everyone else farming this blessed RNG in your quest for the green!

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Grega

Ehh yeah it’s pretty bad design. So far spent about 3mil on maps and found some maps myself. Probably around 25 maps I dug up so far, and no leads whatsoever. On Xbox NA.

ELDER_HOFF

I also failed to mention that your companion Miri will enhance your chances to get multiple satchels from the Reach harrowstorm grind (stressful race from hell to not miss the next doleman) The Reach harrowstorm grind makes Alikir Desert its [snip]- Make sure the passive in the green line in CP is up for your dig up luck chances as well.

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