Templar animation looks like a fishing gaffe rather than a spear of aedric origins

DerAlleinTiger

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Oakenaxe wrote: »

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Parasaurolophus wrote: »

So. Templar Jabs now look like the staff of the Night Hollow motif. Is this true to lore? Seriously? Well, as it were, the Night Hollow clan. These are Namira's vampires. What does this staff do as Aedrich Spare? What? Seriously? ZoS do you have the resources to model the original model for this spear?

I actually liked the new animation, but now that I confirmed this, it makes no sense indeed. Poorly thought.

Yep. Of all the styles they could have gone with, they picked one of the worst possible for Templar. Should have gone with Imperial Champion staff if they absolutely positively had to change the model. It at least looks more like a spear, and isn't spiky and vampiric. If they sized it down instead of up, it wouldn't be half bad as an Aedric staff.

Memory_In_Motion

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I played it on an alliance wb with 1.5 mil hp and pulling several mobs in public dungeons. Seems to work well enough as before. No issues on the supposed nerf.

DerAlleinTiger

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Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

I played it on an alliance wb with 1.5 mil hp and pulling several mobs in public dungeons. Seems to work well enough as before. No issues on the supposed nerf.

You... might want to re-read the poll and OP. This thread isn't about any stat nerfs.

Memory_In_Motion

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DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

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Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

I played it on an alliance wb with 1.5 mil hp and pulling several mobs in public dungeons. Seems to work well enough as before. No issues on the supposed nerf.

You... might want to re-read the poll and OP. This thread isn't about any stat nerfs.

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

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Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

I played it on an alliance wb with 1.5 mil hp and pulling several mobs in public dungeons. Seems to work well enough as before. No issues on the supposed nerf.

You... might want to re-read the poll and OP. This thread isn't about any stat nerfs.

OI! I wrote the op. You think i don't know what it says?

merpins

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Oh no! It's not like we've been saying this for more than 4 weeks over in the PTS forum, begging ZoS to not change the animation of jabs because the new one is terrible! SMH.

Had a thread about this, too. Got some decent attention by the community and there were many others. ZoS didn't hear it, probably because they already spent time on it and were adamant on going through with it regardless of player feedback. Which is a shame. Templar is now dead to me.

Baconlad

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If I was a new player reading skill lines. I would think "WOW I get to summon DIVINE SPEARS?!"

Get in game and see it...and slot dark flare and never look back. The goal was to stop players from only using spears, and between the nerfs and the animation? I think they did well. I can't imagine anyone actually enjoying it.

Also is it just me or does it still sound like it hits four times? Same with flurry, sounds are way off

DerAlleinTiger

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Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

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DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

I played it on an alliance wb with 1.5 mil hp and pulling several mobs in public dungeons. Seems to work well enough as before. No issues on the supposed nerf.

You... might want to re-read the poll and OP. This thread isn't about any stat nerfs.

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DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

I played it on an alliance wb with 1.5 mil hp and pulling several mobs in public dungeons. Seems to work well enough as before. No issues on the supposed nerf.

You... might want to re-read the poll and OP. This thread isn't about any stat nerfs.

OI! I wrote the op. You think i don't know what it says?

Oh, apologies. I wasn't paying attention there. I thought you were just someone coming in and talking about stat nerfs when everyone's talking about the animation. Ignore me.

TechMaybeHic

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Lylith wrote: »

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Parasaurolophus wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

It looks too white compared to other yellow-glowing skills.
It is not even a spear, but a staff.
For a class having "vampire's bane" in their toolkit, it is not lore friendly to have a vampiric style.

I'm talking about the same. The staff of Night Hollow is not very popular because it looks more like a shovel. It would be better if this staff had a pommel from a mace of this style. But who came up with the idea to make this staff as a spear for the Templar class?

It doesn't feel smooth either, it has a janky swing. Definitely needs adjustment.

needed to be left the hell alone like SO many other things in-game.

I wonder what is the likelihood of it being reverted to its former look...

Slim to non. Uncle ZOS knows best

Gargath

a what?

For me it looks like a magical spear, so not a big problem, just the damage is messed up a bit and for now hard to get used to this change.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEEiJmceQ5V4NbHAbyzIKXKAsKriIFLm/view?usp=sharing

lQrukl

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Someone from dev team overplayed Elden Ring

DerAlleinTiger

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Baconlad wrote: »

If I was a new player reading skill lines. I would think "WOW I get to summon DIVINE SPEARS?!"

Get in game and see it...and slot dark flare and never look back. The goal was to stop players from only using spears, and between the nerfs and the animation? I think they did well. I can't imagine anyone actually enjoying it.

Also is it just me or does it still sound like it hits four times? Same with flurry, sounds are way off

Yeah, the sounds don't sync up right with the animation on either of them, which just adds to their floatiness and lack of satisfying impact.

TechMaybeHic

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Damage and aesthetics combined? It now really is dull to play.

sporkfairy

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The animation is so incredibly janky.. Of all the changes, this one irritates me the most because it just ruins how my character looks in combat. This is just awful.

Vulkunne

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Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

I never even thought about calling it that haha. But yeah its awful. lol

Al_Ex_Andre

+1
I liked the old animation better.

Now it is a huuuge single two handed spear wit a looong handle which has no use (the handle is not used in the animation, it just is too long), and somewhat pink colored. And not very bright? Is a shame for a Templar.

Having said that, I am sure ZOS do their best. So trying to not be too nitpicky generally speaking, but ZOS should receive the right feedback.

K9002

For me the worst thing about this new animation is that it doesn't reflect the size of rectangular area in which damage is dealt. Jabs/Sweeps is a fairly wide skill, while the animation looks like a narrow single-target attack. After years of playing Templar I instinctively know the real width, but it's a huge learning obstacle for new Templar players and non-Templars who PvP against Templars.

Vetixio

a what?

I don't know what a fishing gaffe is but if its bad then I agree lol. The signature Templar skill now looks and feels really bad and does laughable damage. It is also very annoying how it doesn't match the rest of Aedric Spear line, some consistency would be nice ZOS. Cause at the moment it sticks out like a sore thumb and feels like a husk of what it used to me.

Memory_In_Motion

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K9002 wrote: »

For me the worst thing about this new animation is that it doesn't reflect the size of rectangular area in which damage is dealt. Jabs/Sweeps is a fairly wide skill, while the animation looks like a narrow single-target attack. After years of playing Templar I instinctively know the real width, but it's a huge learning obstacle for new Templar players and non-Templars who PvP against Templars.

when i hit the mob pulls in malabal tor public dungeon it seemsed to hit more than one for sure.

Memory_In_Motion

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Vetixio wrote: »

I don't know what a fishing gaffe is but if its bad then I agree lol. The signature Templar skill now looks and feels really bad and does laughable damage. It is also very annoying how it doesn't match the rest of Aedric Spear line, some consistency would be nice ZOS. Cause at the moment it sticks out like a sore thumb and feels like a husk of what it used to me.

https://www.smsp.fr/media/cache/sylius_shop_product_xlarge_thumbnail/8b/02/51717a21c012468d373b8878518f.jpeg

kinda what i had in mind

Memory_In_Motion

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or this?

ADarklore

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It looks awful... definitely not an Aedric spear. Looks more like a mop handle they attached a point to. Of course they won't revert it because they don't want their animation dev to feel bad.

Paulytnz

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I didn't think it looked like a fishing gaff, but it's really bad. It looks like a staff that is already in game.

Has anyone seen anything anywhere that explains why they so desperately needed to change the animation in the first place?

Since a lot of the changes this update have to do with damage and weaving, it makes perfect sense that these two skills (jabs & flurry) were hit this way. They were changed to make weaving easier apparently.

The vid below shows and tests both skills and this guy seems to think that both new animations not only look better but also feel better for weaving.

Not my opinion as I am not an end gamer into running hardcore combat or even bothering with weaving but it makes sense to me.

However I am not sure I like the new quicker jabs. I use jabs for the fact it's the closest thing to an auto attack that I can find in this game, flurry too I guess. I don't like the new flurry for my Nightblade tho as he obviously uses daggers. Maybe if/when I try it on another char with maces or axes I might like it, but again that would only be for the visual, not the quicker attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlSS9eYRf3A

psychotrip

So it's clear a large portion of the playerbase hates this change.

Have we established exactly why this change was made? What does ZOS get out of this? Have they communicated about this at all?

Foxhearted

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just tried it out wth is this lmaoo

heaven13

It’s a horrible animation. It looks bad, it feels bad. It uses a vampiric motif (do we still have a lore master???), it’s far too big, it feels…floaty, and not impactful at all. It felt like I was shooing a spider with a broom, not puncturing enemies with holy spears of divine light.

Please revert.

Ragnarok0130

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I was running with Isobel last night and she kept the old jab animation which was just salt in the wound seeing the horrid new jabs my toon was using. Sigh

Fata1moose

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Have to say I’m not a fan of the spear model for jabs. I’m all for the animations being easier to weave but the spear head is almost the size of an axe/hammer! Would prefer they scale it down.

Captain_Devildog

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Im crying bcs off the identity change of this whole class, it's abnoxious disgusting..

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

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The old jabs was our identity. We have been using it for over 8 years. There was also absolutely no reason to change both the look and the sound of jabs. They could have just changed the animation and left everything else alone. When using the original animation my jabs focused on a concentrated spot straight in front of me. The new animation just swings wildly all over the place and I don't feel like I can truly aim at anything. This is a sad day for Templars.

Memory_In_Motion

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The thing i hate most is how my screen wobbles like i'm drunk. Very disorienting