PTS Patch Notes 8.1.2 incomplete?

notyuu

I've read the patch notes for 8.1.2. twice over now and it appears to be missing the segment where zos puts "reverted the templar jabs damage nerf to previous levels"
surely this has to be an oversight, there is literally no good reason for jabs to still be buggered over sideways and zos is not this toughtless, right?

neferpitou73

Yeah now that you mention it I don't see the part with the advanced species reversal

FantasticFreddie

Also nothing at all about light and heavy attack damage....

Jazraena

Jabs was over the top compared to other spammables.

It also carried the rest of the class however, so them just being cool with Templars is a bit... strange.

lPeacekeeperl

i'm pretty sure this should be asked not here, but in steam review section

Lord_Nikon

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Also nothing at all about light and heavy attack damage....

Which obviously includes the issues with WW.

FantasticFreddie

They came out a little on the early side. They COULD be incomplete.

Lady_Galadhiel

WrathOfInnos

I'm honestly impressed by how many pain points were reversed. There are still several things that need attention (like Warden skills), but IMO the jabs change is an improvement over the old animation with it's incorrect duration.

YandereGirlfriend

Warden Shalks timing changes still need to be reverted as well.

Nobody wants or wanted these changes - they must be banished back to Oblivion.

Troodon80

I'm surprised, having read the PTS Patch Notes. I was expecting something a bit more impactful. At this point, surely it would be easier for them to just revert all the ability changes, release the two dungeons, and start again for next update with a better handle on how to approach the "issue" of the skill gap.

Do a couple (or a few) smaller two-week PTS cycles to test various things like balancing light attack damage, balancing heavy attack damage, extend durations on buffs and debuffs, extend durations on AoEs/DoTs, and, in general, get feedback. To be perfectly honest, Alec's/Gilliam's 80 hours of parsing is almost nothing in the grand scheme of things. In the first week of PTS, I did 30 hours on just one class (DK), and I'm not even a DD main. It would be much more efficient to get dozens of players of all skill levels to do parses or play content and derive feedback from that, as you would get much more than 80 man-hours out of it with a lot more data to filter through.

Faulgor

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I'm honestly impressed by how many pain points were reversed. There are still several things that need attention (like Warden skills), but IMO the jabs change is an improvement over the old animation with it's incorrect duration.

I was laughing to hard at the +44% dmg buff to Bound Armaments.
What is even going on.

Surprised to see how few static DOTs there are, though:

Ash Cloud
Boneyard
Twisting Path
Lightning Splash
Blazing Spear
Impaling Shards
Volley
Wall of Elements
Stampede
Necrotic Orb
Caltrops

Seems these will be the only DOTs worth running. Class DOT, backbar weapon DOT and Orb.

FantasticFreddie

"Trust us, see the changes before you say you hate them"
*releases absolutely bad changes*
"Hey, we tried them and hate them..... just like we thought"
"Ok, well trust us-- we will listen to your feedback and make changes on week 3!"
Week 3: this.

Ok, well, I'm not surprised. I am a little disappointed in myself, because for some reason I expected better.

flizomica

The Warden changes (or lack thereof) are incredibly disappointing. I can't see myself wanting to play the class next patch if I have to relearn years worth of muscle memory with regards to the timing on shalks. I can pretty much deal with any damage nerfs if the class feel doesn't change, which unfortunately it has.

K9002

33% damage reduction to Ele Wall explosion. They just killed the universal trash pack clearing skill. Nobody will give up a slot for Pulsar.

GetAgrippa

flizomica wrote: »

The Warden changes (or lack thereof) are incredibly disappointing. I can't see myself wanting to play the class next patch if I have to relearn years worth of muscle memory with regards to the timing on shalks. I can pretty much deal with any damage nerfs if the class feel doesn't change, which unfortunately it has.

Having an instant stun on Arctic Blast FINALLY, but having a 4 second delay on Scorch just feels like trolling at this point.

divnyi

lQrukl

I expected a passive change rather than an ability change. Jabs are now inferior to Rapid Strikes largely, because Burning Light procs with any damage dealt, not only with class abilities ( which would be a bit more logical )

On the other hand, there are people who are excited about this change, and those are... werewolves.
Who for a long time dreamed of a wolf-templar against vamp-blades.

Eventually, the ground dot changes were rolled back, which is good news.
It gives hope that the remaining questionable changes of U35 will be carefully weighed and reviewed before they will come to Live.

divnyi

Surprise Attack is new jabs, damage-wise.
Now they need to add stun to jabs and we go full circle.

FlamingBeard

If I were a game developer working for ZOS for any significant time, I'd be tempted to leave it off my resume at this point.

jaws343

K9002 wrote: »

33% damage reduction to Ele Wall explosion. They just killed the universal trash pack clearing skill. Nobody will give up a slot for Pulsar.

I don't think they ever intended for players to use this skill as a spammable.

Zabagad

Faulgor wrote: »

I was laughing to hard at the +44% dmg buff to Bound Armaments.
What is even going on.

I'm pretty sure that this is the increment based on 8.1.0.
That would mean:
8.1.0:
Reduced the damage per hit of this ability by approximately 38%.
This ability no longer passively increases your Light Attack damage.
8.1.2:
Bound Armaments (morph): Increased the damage of this ability by approximately 44% per hit.

Which in sum compared to live should be:
Reduced the damage per hit of this ability by approximately 10%. (x*0.62*1.44 ~= 0.9x)
This ability no longer passively increases your Light Attack damage.

K9002

jaws343 wrote: »

K9002 wrote: »

33% damage reduction to Ele Wall explosion. They just killed the universal trash pack clearing skill. Nobody will give up a slot for Pulsar.

I don't think they ever intended for players to use this skill as a spammable.

They didn't intend people to use dual weapon system the way it's been done for years either. I would welcome the change if we could have an AoE and single target bar instead of a fighting front bar and buffing back bar.

thadjarvis

I like the adjustments (ie week 3 better than week 1) but week 3 still fails to make the game more accessible compared to live.

Content will still be more difficult due to lower dps with no enemy HP or dps check changes.

FlamingBeard

jaws343 wrote: »

K9002 wrote: »

33% damage reduction to Ele Wall explosion. They just killed the universal trash pack clearing skill. Nobody will give up a slot for Pulsar.

I don't think they ever intended for players to use this skill as a spammable.

We can safely assume that anything fun in ESO is unintended and will be addressed at some point to better align with the other numbers on their Excel table.

BrentBlemish

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I'm honestly impressed by how many pain points were reversed. There are still several things that need attention (like Warden skills), but IMO the jabs change is an improvement over the old animation with it's incorrect duration.

the animation is fine. the massive damage nerf and the nerf to burning light is waaaay too heavy handed. it was an absolute brutal DPS loss. Does jabs carry the class? sure... does it put the class ahead of other DPS? Nope. You just build around jabs and you're just on par with other classes. Jabs is just an absolute fun ability to use. IMO nerfing jabs puts the class slightly behind others now. And the burning light nerf drastically hurts the class identity.

Stx

No the new jabs animation is not fine... when doing a rotation little nooble spears shoot off in every direction while LA weaving. The animation isn't finished or polished... much prefer the old one.

ToyMasamune

BrentBlemish wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I'm honestly impressed by how many pain points were reversed. There are still several things that need attention (like Warden skills), but IMO the jabs change is an improvement over the old animation with it's incorrect duration.

the animation is fine. the massive damage nerf and the nerf to burning light is waaaay too heavy handed. it was an absolute brutal DPS loss. Does jabs carry the class? sure... does it put the class ahead of other DPS? Nope. You just build around jabs and you're just on par with other classes. Jabs is just an absolute fun ability to use. IMO nerfing jabs puts the class slightly behind others now. And the burning light nerf drastically hurts the class identity.

Agreed, this is patch is going to make templars lose their class identity. This shouldn't happen, they need to buff it back.

KlauthWarthog

K9002 wrote: »

33% damage reduction to Ele Wall explosion. They just killed the universal trash pack clearing skill. Nobody will give up a slot for Pulsar.

Oh, don´t worry, you can just use a lightning staff, and... wait, they nerfed that to the ground as well, never mind.

merpins

Faulgor wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I'm honestly impressed by how many pain points were reversed. There are still several things that need attention (like Warden skills), but IMO the jabs change is an improvement over the old animation with it's incorrect duration.

I was laughing to hard at the +44% dmg buff to Bound Armaments.
What is even going on.

Ikr? That's a 6% damage increase beyond the nerf 2 weeks ago. I think the dev team is a bit lost.

Rex-Umbra

Still see stuff I like and want for my particular class missing. Also I like 20sec timers was the only thing I liked now it's gone like wow