Pay your last respects here for OAKENSOUL RING. In loving memory or not.

Wolfpaw

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

It's not that big of a nerf I thought, equivalent to a couple hundred wd/sd loss at most?

I haven't had a chance yet to see myself, just a guess.

25% damage decrease and 5% survivability decrease. -10% crit damage, -5% damage, -200 weapon and spell damage, -2 ult generation per 1.5 seconds, -5% resistance. It equates to about a 25% damage decrease. AND with the other nerfs compounded on top of that, you might see as much as a 45% damage decrease if you have a build that uses the ring. I had a stam sorc that didn't even use Crystal Weapons. It dealt 80k dps before, but after the patch, it deals 45k. After the buff to Bound Armaments, it deals ~50k dps. This takes into account the change to the trial dummy. 38% damage decrease. For reference, changing nothing about the build except swapping the ring for Sea Serpent's Coil and adding a second bar increases my DPS from 50k to 95k. On live, it's 80k to 108k. The damage decrease for my non-optimal 2-bar build is 13%. 38%-13% is 25%. So the calculation is pretty solid.

Great stuff tyvm for detailed response, psn here was waiting for live update to test.

Kory

Get rid of Major Force and Major Herosim? The offenders were fast Ult gain and easy high crit damage.

ksbrugh

joseayalac wrote: »

They could just add minor/major slayer or aegis to it and get done with that, those buffs don't interfere with pvp.

That would be a welcome change.

BretonMage

It was honestly a nice idea while it lasted. All these kinds of shenanigans are a consistent reminder of why I always prefer to be a late adopter in anything tech-related.

Toxic_Hemlock

Well I now have only 15 transmutes left due to having a few alts, but I am sure it will only be a year before I get back to where I was...

RIP if the changes go live and at least I didn't pitch my wild hunts or my pale orders, buy I will just mostly likely just do crafting or take a long break (quit?). I will definitely let my ESO + expire.

I have lost most of my enthusiasm for playing having had the rug pulled out from under me...

So long to doing arenas.

remosito

Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »

Well I now have only 15 transmutes left due to having a few alts, but I am sure it will only be a year before I get back to where I was....

what???

transmute cost is 25 per alt. or 50 for 2 alts.

that's the cyro reward amount for lvl1. 25k ap needed i believe..

12.5k with midyear running. takes less than an hour..

alternatively 2.5 random dailies per alt..

olsborg

shame on that ring and anyone who thought it up

Toxic_Hemlock

remosito wrote: »

Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »

Well I now have only 15 transmutes left due to having a few alts, but I am sure it will only be a year before I get back to where I was....

what???

transmute cost is 25 per alt. or 50 for 2 alts.

that's the cyro reward amount for lvl1. 25k ap needed i believe..

12.5k with midyear running. takes less than an hour..

alternatively 2.5 random dailies per alt..

You assume I do any PvP, I do not...

I only do the occasional dungeon solo (1 per run). I get the majority of them through the once a year crafting event.

Hence why I am on the forums instead of partaking of the PvP event now live.

Edit: double quote

Stx

The nerfs to the ring are even worse than they appear.. some classes have access to these minor buffs already, so in that case.. they didn't just lose 5% mitigation or 5% damage, they lost 10%...

Norith_Gilheart_Flail

I despise they won't separate PVP from PVE, and I particular dislike PVP input on this decision.

This game is still an amazing house builder though, and I'll keep it for that. But that's it.

merpins

Stx wrote: »

The nerfs to the ring are even worse than they appear.. some classes have access to these minor buffs already, so in that case.. they didn't just lose 5% mitigation or 5% damage, they lost 10%...

This is true. Though the nerfs are bad already. 25% damage reduction from the ring getting nerfed, not including any other nerfs, is enough to throw the ring in the garbage can. It went from a niche ring for end game players, a crutch for disabled players, and a stepping stone for new players, to something only disabled players use because they basically need it even if it's not a good item, and for everyone else, it's no better than thrassian stranglers.

ApoAlaia

For me this is just another drop on the ocean of sadness that is U35.

As others have already mentioned I did think that it would get hammered into irrelevance given that it was satisfying to use and it brought fun, I just didn't think it would happen so swiftly.

Another casualty of the upcoming patch. RIP.

Brrrofski

I just want to point out, that these changes are due to it overperforming in PvP, every call for a change I saw was to keep them as major buffs but to replace them with pve specific buffs.

So take off protection for aegis, beserk for slayer etc.

Heroism needed to go for sure though. But it wasn't an easy buff to get in pve anyway, so replacing it with minor in that case would've been ok, along with the changes I mentioned above.

ksbrugh

Brrrofski wrote: »

I just want to point out, that these changes are due to it overperforming in PvP, every call for a change I saw was to keep them as major buffs but to replace them with pve specific buffs.

So take off protection for aegis, beserk for slayer etc.

Heroism needed to go for sure though. But it wasn't an easy buff to get in pve anyway, so replacing it with minor in that case would've been ok, along with the changes I mentioned above.

It is a little strong for PVP but I have had some of the best fun playing in PvP that I've had in over a year now. They should get rid of the major heroism but I do believe they need to keep the major protection. Because a two-bar build has easy access to Major protection at all times by sloting lingering flare. And maybe get rid of the major brutality but other than that most everything else I'd keep.

VaranisArano

Remathilis

VaranisArano wrote: »

You forgot Malacath's.

VaranisArano

Remathilis wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

You forgot Malacath's.

I mostly stuck with the PVE items that got introduced then nerfed here, because it seems to me that its mostly the PVEers who're surprised that ZOS would nerf Oakensoul (as though there isn't a pattern of doing exactly that.) Maybe wrongly, I still think of Malacath's as a PVP thing.

Four_Fingers

Meh, Oakensoul is least of my Templar's worries.

mpicklesster

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

Never even farmed it because I’ve seen this movie before.

Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

Same. After they went through the same cycle with Thrassian, a nerf to Oakensoul was inevitable. But I think we're all surprised it happened so soon (and was so severe). Kind of feels like a bait-and-switch to sell an expansion.

Toxic_Hemlock

mpicklesster wrote: »

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

Never even farmed it because I’ve seen this movie before.

Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

Same. After they went through the same cycle with Thrassian, a nerf to Oakensoul was inevitable. But I think we're all surprised it happened so soon (and was so severe). Kind of feels like a bait-and-switch to sell an expansion.

Well I sure didn't buy the chapter for the card game. Learned my lesson now though as I look for a new game.

Seraphayel

I'm completely out of the loop, has this ring been nerfed or is it still a thing for players that hate weapon swap?

the1andonlyskwex

Seraphayel wrote: »

I'm completely out of the loop, has this ring been nerfed or is it still a thing for players that hate weapon swap?

It's still a thing. This thread is 6 months old and a massive overreaction to the nerfs that happened around that time (which basically nerfed Oakensoul from a necessity for practically every build to merely one of the best pieces of gear in PvP and a more-than-viable single-bar option for noncompetitive PvE).

Seraphayel

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I'm completely out of the loop, has this ring been nerfed or is it still a thing for players that hate weapon swap?

It's still a thing. This thread is 6 months old and a massive overreaction to the nerfs that happened around that time (which basically nerfed Oakensoul from a necessity for practically every build to merely one of the best pieces of gear in PvP and a more-than-viable single-bar option for noncompetitive PvE).

Thank you very much, happy to hear that!

RemoryAzure

Seraphayel wrote: »

I'm completely out of the loop, has this ring been nerfed or is it still a thing for players that hate weapon swap?

for pve - its still a thing. for pvp - forget about it. u lose much much more than u get with this ring, even if u have low apm. for example, my build, when changing markyn to oakensoul, gets ~3% more damage but loses 3k hp, 6k defense and snare/root immunity and anti-stealth skills.