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Pronouns: Have Them, the Forums Should
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I was one of the people in my place of work to push this forward for our email signatures. It was optional, but encouraged.
Even though I'm a cisgender man and I'm comfortable with people assuming that, I still felt it was important to include it so it made people think about how they do refer to people.
So I obviously support creating awareness and conversation around the subject, I'm not sure it's something that is needed on the forum.
Most people just refer to others by usernames. Or if they're talking about someone in game, they usually know how that person identifies.
If they can implement it fairly easy, then that's cool. But I don't see a massive need for it. But I might be wrong and missing something.1 -
Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭thesarahandcompany wrote: »I'm wondering if there even is a way, outside of the signature, to enter pronouns. If there isn't, could a mod confirm whether that's a possibility?
ZOS_GinaBruno -- Happy to help with this. I work for a national LGBTQ+ rights org and can link to resources if they're needed. It would mean a lot and have an immediate positive impact on a lot of people.
If you want to bring real life identity into game discussion there are plenty of other places to do so. Other commenters have mentioned them. This is a gaming forum, [snip] it's just a place to share opinions about a game that we play. [snip]
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on July 20, 2022 12:33PM@Solar_Breeze
NA ~ Izanerys: Dracarys (Videos | Dracast)
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BretonMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't see why not. If some people enjoy choosing avatars for a forum, others may enjoy showing their pronouns. As long as it's optional, I don't see why someone would object.6 -
Arrodisia✭✭✭✭✭BloodMagicLord wrote: »No. This is a gaming forum. Sorry to be blunt, but no one on here cares or needs to know what you call yourself in real life.
Not all people are honest about the gender they indentify with online for various reasons.
Everyone can live as they like. Live and let live. I just don't see any relevance of pronouns in a game forum which has been created to supply anonymous player feedback about ESO.
Applying a pronoun in this forum wouldn't be a form of validation since the identity of the person applying the pronoun hasn't been and won't be officially confirmed anywhere.
and if we really want to use a pronoun the signature is a good place to add it in and already exists. Something optional could be added but I'd rather see resources dedicated to problems that are still here for years.
Edited by Arrodisia on July 20, 2022 9:53AM13 -
L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't think pronouns are really needed here anyway. Usually people are adressed by "you" or their name. I don't think I ever adressed anyone with he/she or anything else and I am using the signature to clarify my gender, as most of you can see.
Also for example in german there is no proper word for the english "they/them", so its pretty hard to get a working system across all languages.Edited by L_Nici on July 20, 2022 10:17AMA very special girl
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MorganaBlue✭✭✭I agree with this only if I'm given the option to hide people's pronouns. I find it extremely irritating having to bounce up against people's gender fixations in my gaming world where whether I'm he, she, they or somewhere in between has absolutely no bearing on my game or any discussion surrounding it, just as my name, location, political and religious tendencies have no bearing either.
signed - just a gamer28 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭As other have said, my main concern about this, is that if we dedicate a system specifically to this, it will open the door for more [snip], and this is still, just a gaming forum.
I understand the OP and some of the posters wanting more representation, however I dont think a gaming forum is really where this needs to happen.
You already have the tools available to show your pronouns, in your signature, and I highly doubt anyone will call you the wrong gender considering it's all @ names and you that we use.
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on July 20, 2022 12:45PM8 -
Stanx✭✭✭✭✭
✭BretonMage wrote: »I don't see why not. If some people enjoy choosing avatars for a forum, others may enjoy showing their pronouns. As long as it's optional, I don't see why someone would object.
It's a little different (I'm not a goat) but I agree with you here.
If this is something that people feel they would like then I'd be happy to support it, as long as it was an opt-in. Like others, I don't really want to be displaying information about myself in a game/forum I use for escapism.4 -
Kalik_Gold✭✭✭✭✭
✭They gave you a signature box, do what you want with it.Main: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade
Leveling...
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
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Passives of another race used. (RP)
*Breton
**Imperial
__________________________Backstories:_________________________
Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
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Androrix✭✭✭✭Well, in the corporate world we can place preferred pronouns in the signature block after your name. The OP has already done this.
I don't understand what else this thread is asking for, unless OP is saying identifying pronouns should be mandated.
Ironically, I feel like the title to the thread is missing a pronoun for clarity.6 -
EnerG✭✭✭✭✭I would prefer to have an ingame option tbh, yeah notes are a thing but if youre not in a guild with that person... If like to see it added to the chracter menu, and having that menu availible to be seen by others, not the whole thing but name/race/alliance/gear rating and title and then pronouns if added.2 -
Dark_Lord_Kuro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BretonMage wrote: »I don't see why not. If some people enjoy choosing avatars for a forum, others may enjoy showing their pronouns. As long as it's optional, I don't see why someone would object.
I'm not a goat
Are serious? I was so sure😆4 -
dinokstrunz✭✭✭✭✭
✭[snip] It would no doubt introduce unnecessary forum drama. If you wanna put that sort of bio information in a signature please do so. [snip]
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on July 20, 2022 12:18PM8 -
Sjestenka✭✭✭Being NB transfem myself, i genuinely don't get the idea. Just use 'they' by default if you care? O_o
edit: oh, nb means non binary, not night blade or somethingEdited by Sjestenka on July 20, 2022 11:48AM6 -
BretonMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭BretonMage wrote: »I don't see why not. If some people enjoy choosing avatars for a forum, others may enjoy showing their pronouns. As long as it's optional, I don't see why someone would object.
It's a little different (I'm not a goat)
Oh nooooo...
Well, I don't mean to trivialise the issue of pronouns by suggesting it's the same as choosing avatars, I just meant that it's an optional, unofficial type of identifier that might give someone a sense of satisfaction in choosing, and would not impact other people in the least.1 -
Vulsahdaal✭✭✭✭✭
✭My usual response when asked for my pronouns:
Well, Im too poor to afford my own pronouns so Ill just take whatever people are willing to give me
Not sure if that can fit anywhere else but in a sig?5 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vulsahdaal wrote: »My usual response when asked for my pronouns:
Well, Im too poor to afford my own pronouns so Ill just take whatever people are willing to give me
Not sure if that can fit anywhere else but in a sig?
I think the issue with the sigs is they aren't available to mobile viewers.1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭[snip]
I mean, a small "about section" that included stuff like that when you clicked someone's username wouldn't be insane. Obviously filling it out would be optional.
In-game Name:
Pronouns:
Platform:
Favorite Activity in Game:
Favorite Elder Scrolls Character:
Small Space to write anything you want, still must adhere to forum rules.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on July 20, 2022 12:34PM1 -
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NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This forum helped me to think in terms of simply "forum people" instead of assigning anything else to them. I think its fine to put pronouns in your signature and I encourage you to do so, just as it exists in business email etc.
For example, you can choose to display what platform you play ESO on your profile. Does not choosing one imply you are on PC by default? Your choice could be relevant to a post made by that profile, for good or bad.
As others have mentioned, keeping it unofficial is best. Voluntary may feel mandatory when you leave a blank space or don't check a box that everyone else does. You would be putting peer pressure on people who may not feel it is relevant in the first place, or being/feeling excluded because they didn't "volunteer".
I think the needs of the Privacy outweigh the needs of the Inclusive here.Live long and ProsperFear is the Mindkiller9 -
RodneyRegis✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »My usual response when asked for my pronouns:
Well, Im too poor to afford my own pronouns so Ill just take whatever people are willing to give me
Not sure if that can fit anywhere else but in a sig?
I think the issue with the sigs is they aren't available to mobile viewers.
Thank heaven for small mercies.5 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »Does not choosing one imply you are on PC by default?
Nobody's privacy is violated because of platform they chose, and gender or any other optional personal bio option would be different. As long as it's optional, it's not a privacy violation to let people have a profile.Edited by spartaxoxo on July 20, 2022 12:46PM1 -
Dark_Lord_Kuro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Completely unnessesary. This is a gaming forum for speaking about the game. I honestly couldnt care less about how you define yourself as.
You can use the signature for this but its otherwise a waste of resourse if you ask me. At least tales of tribute ended up as a pretty fun game.
[snip]
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on July 20, 2022 12:52PM8 -
Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭RodneyRegis wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »My usual response when asked for my pronouns:
Well, Im too poor to afford my own pronouns so Ill just take whatever people are willing to give me
Not sure if that can fit anywhere else but in a sig?
I think the issue with the sigs is they aren't available to mobile viewers.
Thank heaven for small mercies.
The player ignore option tool is also available to those that don't want to engage.4 -
Four_Fingers✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nothing against anyone's sexual preferences, but why the push to make them public all the time?
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Four_Fingers wrote: »but why the push to make them public all the time?
Gender is not the same thing as sexuality. The Clark Kent version of Superman would check "he/him" or "male" on a bio form that asked him his gender, and that would have no bearing on his relationship with Lois Lane.Edited by spartaxoxo on July 20, 2022 12:55PM4
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