Warden Feedback (Update 35. Weeks 1 and 2)

Aldoss

I think at the very least, we deserve someone to come into threads like these and explain themselves.

I feel helplessly controlled by a shadowy figure.

I spend months at a time feeling under powered and weak, only to be told in some patch notes that my class is getting nerfed because we have too much offensive nature.

Talk with us! Why are these changes being made? What direction is warden heading?

The silence is so toxic.

ESO_Nightingale

Aldoss wrote: »

I think at the very least, we deserve someone to come into threads like these and explain themselves.

I feel helplessly controlled by a shadowy figure.

I spend months at a time feeling under powered and weak, only to be told in some patch notes that my class is getting nerfed because we have too much offensive nature.

Talk with us! Why are these changes being made? What direction is warden heading?

The silence is so toxic.

This is what we mean when it comes to more communication. They don't care.

MacRibs

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Aldoss wrote: »

I think at the very least, we deserve someone to come into threads like these and explain themselves.

I feel helplessly controlled by a shadowy figure.

I spend months at a time feeling under powered and weak, only to be told in some patch notes that my class is getting nerfed because we have too much offensive nature.

Talk with us! Why are these changes being made? What direction is warden heading?

The silence is so toxic.

This is what we mean when it comes to more communication. They don't care.

We have been talking about Artic Blast for months here in the forum's, bunch of discussion and suggestions, complete silence from everyone, not even a comment saying they were considering doing anything.
Then comes the pts patch notes, low and behold they changed it and it's underwhelming.
Some time ago Rich Lambert said in a stream he/the dev team barely even comes to the forum, I sincerely believe it to be true, apart from mods, I don't believe anyone from the dev team bothers coming here read anything, suggestions/discussion wise.

ESO_Nightingale

MacRibs wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Aldoss wrote: »

I think at the very least, we deserve someone to come into threads like these and explain themselves.

I feel helplessly controlled by a shadowy figure.

I spend months at a time feeling under powered and weak, only to be told in some patch notes that my class is getting nerfed because we have too much offensive nature.

Talk with us! Why are these changes being made? What direction is warden heading?

The silence is so toxic.

This is what we mean when it comes to more communication. They don't care.

We have been talking about Artic Blast for months here in the forum's, bunch of discussion and suggestions, complete silence from everyone, not even a comment saying they were considering doing anything.
Then comes the pts patch notes, low and behold they changed it and it's underwhelming.
Some time ago Rich Lambert said in a stream he/the dev team barely even comes to the forum, I sincerely believe it to be true, apart from mods, I don't believe anyone from the dev team bothers coming here read anything, suggestions/discussion wise.

and then we have the legend @ZOS_Kevin who actually talks to people. something i wish more of zenimax's employees did.

MindOfTheSwarm

Mr_Stach wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Gonna Pop this in here since we can discuss it a little be then the other post:


First the Good Changes, I refuse to go on a rant without giving Zos a little credit where they did good:

-Wings got their Snare Immunity, which is fantastic, we've been asking for that, simple fix and it's there.

-A small Budding Seeds Buff which is nice.

-Crystalized Slab had it's CD Removed, actually kind of huge against multi-hit ranged attacks that get blocked.

-Frozen Armor got an Unneeded Buff, but more tanky is good I guess

-Eternal Guardians Execute is now 150% which is a beefy hit, Hemorrhage from Feral is still better but at least the option is there.

-Screaming Cliff Racer is a false positive, they got rid of the stupid range thing, added an weapon/spell damage buff to it, but it's still Birds and is partially tied to Off-Balance so I still hate it.

Now, that's the good + the Screaming Cliff Racer False Positive situation, now the bad.

-Arctic Blast, looks ok until you actually look at it, the Burst Heal scales off Max Stats, GREAT, but you want it running for as lonf as possible to capitalize on the Damage and BLOCKABLE STUN. There's 2 AoE Blockable Stuns in Arctic Blast 1 at the 2nd tick and the last tick, so essentially 4s and 10s. Zos is obsessed with people having counterplay to Arctic Blast's Stun, before it was 3 damage ticks, then it was 5 damage ticks, now it's 2nd tick (which still means it's 4 seconds till you can stun someone btw) and you can block it. Just let me stun someone for the love of GOD. Also it's Duration isn't even on Par with the rest of the AoE DoT Standards that THEY JUST SET.

-Advanced Species, The biggest factor to a Warden's damage across the board was Advanced species, for the uninitiated it used to add 2% damage per animal companion skill slotted, now it adds 990. Pen is a good stat to have, but it's less important that damage considering there are much easier ways for players to get Pen. So Wardens just lost 6-12% Damage across the board from that one change.

-Winter's Revenge was the redeeming quality of Frost Wardens, we may have not had a lot of good frost abilities, but our one good one, it was GOOD. But with the DoT Duration increase I guess it was mega powerful because they hit it with 33% sledge. People say it was dunking on other Class AoEs, maybe But Warden definitely wasn't. I would have much preferred them reduce the Piercing Cold Passive, which is the highest Class Elemental Damage Buff in the Game, then see where Winter's Revenge Sits. But either way, Winter's Revenge just feels sad now.

-Birds still have their special thing tied to a ranged aspect of Proccing Off-Balance. It's a Stupid Hoop. Birds are still slow. I hate them and I hate that Zos tried to make Screaming Cliff Racers interesting without addressing the Hoop Issue that everyone has been asking about.

why do they keep standardising everything, making needed outliers and then doing it all over again a year or 2 later? Argh

I don't think it's wrong to have Damage Standards, but have everything follow the standard. Arctic Blast is a DoT, it should follow the DoT Standard. I also think that 20s is too long, it leans into stagnant rotations and gameplay

Disagree, different classes should excel at different things. That’s why we have classes in the first place. Winter’s Revenge was the best AoE DoT in the game, and that’s fine. Sorcs have the best escape/stun tool in the game.
DK’s it was single target DoT’s.
The idea that all classes should have AoE dots that deal the same damage or the same on other stuff is absurd. Where are the differences outside of palette swaps?
Boring if you ask me.

SEINTDARKNES

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Gonna Pop this in here since we can discuss it a little be then the other post:


First the Good Changes, I refuse to go on a rant without giving Zos a little credit where they did good:

-Wings got their Snare Immunity, which is fantastic, we've been asking for that, simple fix and it's there.

-A small Budding Seeds Buff which is nice.

-Crystalized Slab had it's CD Removed, actually kind of huge against multi-hit ranged attacks that get blocked.

-Frozen Armor got an Unneeded Buff, but more tanky is good I guess

-Eternal Guardians Execute is now 150% which is a beefy hit, Hemorrhage from Feral is still better but at least the option is there.

-Screaming Cliff Racer is a false positive, they got rid of the stupid range thing, added an weapon/spell damage buff to it, but it's still Birds and is partially tied to Off-Balance so I still hate it.

Now, that's the good + the Screaming Cliff Racer False Positive situation, now the bad.

-Arctic Blast, looks ok until you actually look at it, the Burst Heal scales off Max Stats, GREAT, but you want it running for as lonf as possible to capitalize on the Damage and BLOCKABLE STUN. There's 2 AoE Blockable Stuns in Arctic Blast 1 at the 2nd tick and the last tick, so essentially 4s and 10s. Zos is obsessed with people having counterplay to Arctic Blast's Stun, before it was 3 damage ticks, then it was 5 damage ticks, now it's 2nd tick (which still means it's 4 seconds till you can stun someone btw) and you can block it. Just let me stun someone for the love of GOD. Also it's Duration isn't even on Par with the rest of the AoE DoT Standards that THEY JUST SET.

-Advanced Species, The biggest factor to a Warden's damage across the board was Advanced species, for the uninitiated it used to add 2% damage per animal companion skill slotted, now it adds 990. Pen is a good stat to have, but it's less important that damage considering there are much easier ways for players to get Pen. So Wardens just lost 6-12% Damage across the board from that one change.

-Winter's Revenge was the redeeming quality of Frost Wardens, we may have not had a lot of good frost abilities, but our one good one, it was GOOD. But with the DoT Duration increase I guess it was mega powerful because they hit it with 33% sledge. People say it was dunking on other Class AoEs, maybe But Warden definitely wasn't. I would have much preferred them reduce the Piercing Cold Passive, which is the highest Class Elemental Damage Buff in the Game, then see where Winter's Revenge Sits. But either way, Winter's Revenge just feels sad now.

-Birds still have their special thing tied to a ranged aspect of Proccing Off-Balance. It's a Stupid Hoop. Birds are still slow. I hate them and I hate that Zos tried to make Screaming Cliff Racers interesting without addressing the Hoop Issue that everyone has been asking about.

why do they keep standardising everything, making needed outliers and then doing it all over again a year or 2 later? Argh

I don't think it's wrong to have Damage Standards, but have everything follow the standard. Arctic Blast is a DoT, it should follow the DoT Standard. I also think that 20s is too long, it leans into stagnant rotations and gameplay

Disagree, different classes should excel at different things. That’s why we have classes in the first place. Winter’s Revenge was the best AoE DoT in the game, and that’s fine. Sorcs have the best escape/stun tool in the game.
DK’s it was single target DoT’s.
The idea that all classes should have AoE dots that deal the same damage or the same on other stuff is absurd. Where are the differences outside of palette swaps?
Boring if you ask me.

"should excel" but i really don't think warden excel in any area. That's more boring for me, seeing the other classes having nice skill/passives meanwhile wardens have some skill/passives that barely work or don't get used.

ESO_Nightingale

Updated my bolded arctic point to better convey what i mean. I really don't want the whole "20s duration dots with only 1 tick every 2 seconds" thing to stay.

MindOfTheSwarm

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Updated my bolded arctic point to better convey what i mean. I really don't want the whole "20s duration dots with only 1 tick every 2 seconds" thing to stay.

I actually think for Arctic Blast and Lightning Form it’s ok. But everything else no.

ESO_Nightingale

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Updated my bolded arctic point to better convey what i mean. I really don't want the whole "20s duration dots with only 1 tick every 2 seconds" thing to stay.

I actually think for Arctic Blast and Lightning Form it’s ok. But everything else no.

eh, if they standardised all of the dots back and gave all of blast's ticks back, i'd just want it to be high dmg ticks so even though it may be more difficult to sustain, it'll at least be desirable in content over other AoE DoTs. because as is, it's worse damage per tick than mystic orb now on pts.

MindOfTheSwarm

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Updated my bolded arctic point to better convey what i mean. I really don't want the whole "20s duration dots with only 1 tick every 2 seconds" thing to stay.

I actually think for Arctic Blast and Lightning Form it’s ok. But everything else no.

eh, if they standardised all of the dots back and gave all of blast's ticks back, i'd just want it to be high dmg ticks so even though it may be more difficult to sustain, it'll at least be desirable in content over other AoE DoTs. because as is, it's worse damage per tick than mystic orb now on pts.

That’s because it scales with Max Health. Remember, the healing over time has ‘been converted’ but the heal over time is based on Max Health. Test it and you will see that Blast deals more damage with health investment.

ESO_Nightingale

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Updated my bolded arctic point to better convey what i mean. I really don't want the whole "20s duration dots with only 1 tick every 2 seconds" thing to stay.

I actually think for Arctic Blast and Lightning Form it’s ok. But everything else no.

eh, if they standardised all of the dots back and gave all of blast's ticks back, i'd just want it to be high dmg ticks so even though it may be more difficult to sustain, it'll at least be desirable in content over other AoE DoTs. because as is, it's worse damage per tick than mystic orb now on pts.

That’s because it scales with Max Health. Remember, the healing over time has ‘been converted’ but the heal over time is based on Max Health. Test it and you will see that Blast deals more damage with health investment.

that's literally false. i just tested it. the damage has only scaled from wep/spell dmg and mag/stam for ages. that's what happened way back in dragonhold. they literally said it would back then to prevent "compounded power" for tanks or somesuch. Blast isn't a tank skill anymore

Lughlongarm

PvP perspective only, Magicka Wardens feel much better now on PTS.

I like the new Artic Blast, Deep Fissure, Bird of pray and buff to passives.

Mr_Stach

Lughlongarm wrote: »

PvP perspective only, Magicka Wardens feel much better now on PTS.

I like the new Artic Blast, Deep Fissure, Bird of pray and buff to passives.

I think this is where there will be a big disconnect, this is a better pvp patch for Warden at the expense of PvE.

The Arctic blast change gives Warden a sorely needed Burst Heal. The Stun is technically better then last patch.

The Bird of Prey getting Snare Immunity is fantastic.

Frozen Armor giving you more armor is nice.

But man. The Advanced Species change just kills it for me and for a lot of people, it's just an unnecessary change.

Lughlongarm

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

PvP perspective only, Magicka Wardens feel much better now on PTS.

I like the new Artic Blast, Deep Fissure, Bird of pray and buff to passives.

I think this is where there will be a big disconnect, this is a better pvp patch for Warden at the expense of PvE.

The Arctic blast change gives Warden a sorely needed Burst Heal. The Stun is technically better then last patch.

The Bird of Prey getting Snare Immunity is fantastic.

Frozen Armor giving you more armor is nice.

But man. The Advanced Species change just kills it for me and for a lot of people, it's just an unnecessary change.

Yes I understand, for PVE the change to Advanced Species is very rough, not to mention the nerf to Winter's revenge. Hopefully ZOS will address the issue in the upcoming weeks.

Klingenlied

Lughlongarm wrote: »

PvP perspective only, Magicka Wardens feel much better now on PTS.

I like the new Artic Blast, Deep Fissure, Bird of pray and buff to passives.

Now add in the new Nocturnal's Ploy set and yes, as long as you do not go against some specific Oaken builds, PvP feels rather nice.

However, the reason I feel we are at a nice spot in PvP might be one for concern for others: Magica shalks? Remove a minor and major buff. Corrupting pollen? Say goodbye to another minor and major buff. Now add in Kynmarchers and a Oakensoul for your buffs - and start having fun. Not to mention that when using an ice staff, applying brittle ain't that hard either. So you likely are a debuff-machine with - after nerfs to all classes - semi-decent damage-output that should easily destroy people that do rely on their buffs & debuffs to survice and / or deal damage.

Lughlongarm

Klingenlied wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

PvP perspective only, Magicka Wardens feel much better now on PTS.

I like the new Artic Blast, Deep Fissure, Bird of pray and buff to passives.

Now add in the new Nocturnal's Ploy set and yes, as long as you do not go against some specific Oaken builds, PvP feels rather nice.

However, the reason I feel we are at a nice spot in PvP might be one for concern for others: Magica shalks? Remove a minor and major buff. Corrupting pollen? Say goodbye to another minor and major buff. Now add in Kynmarchers and a Oakensoul for your buffs - and start having fun. Not to mention that when using an ice staff, applying brittle ain't that hard either. So you likely are a debuff-machine with - after nerfs to all classes - semi-decent damage-output that should easily destroy people that do rely on their buffs & debuffs to survice and / or deal damage.

True but I'm not counting on this set staying as it is ATM so I don't even theory craft around it. I generally think Magicka Warden has all the tools to be effective in PvP with many build options.

ESO_Nightingale

Lughlongarm wrote: »

Klingenlied wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

PvP perspective only, Magicka Wardens feel much better now on PTS.

I like the new Artic Blast, Deep Fissure, Bird of pray and buff to passives.

Now add in the new Nocturnal's Ploy set and yes, as long as you do not go against some specific Oaken builds, PvP feels rather nice.

However, the reason I feel we are at a nice spot in PvP might be one for concern for others: Magica shalks? Remove a minor and major buff. Corrupting pollen? Say goodbye to another minor and major buff. Now add in Kynmarchers and a Oakensoul for your buffs - and start having fun. Not to mention that when using an ice staff, applying brittle ain't that hard either. So you likely are a debuff-machine with - after nerfs to all classes - semi-decent damage-output that should easily destroy people that do rely on their buffs & debuffs to survice and / or deal damage.

True but I'm not counting on this set staying as it is ATM so I don't even theory craft around it. I generally think Magicka Warden has all the tools to be effective in PvP with many build options.

It's definitely able to heal itself now. But now that pve is just crippled i don't even want to play the game anymore.

Lughlongarm

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

Klingenlied wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

PvP perspective only, Magicka Wardens feel much better now on PTS.

I like the new Artic Blast, Deep Fissure, Bird of pray and buff to passives.

Now add in the new Nocturnal's Ploy set and yes, as long as you do not go against some specific Oaken builds, PvP feels rather nice.

However, the reason I feel we are at a nice spot in PvP might be one for concern for others: Magica shalks? Remove a minor and major buff. Corrupting pollen? Say goodbye to another minor and major buff. Now add in Kynmarchers and a Oakensoul for your buffs - and start having fun. Not to mention that when using an ice staff, applying brittle ain't that hard either. So you likely are a debuff-machine with - after nerfs to all classes - semi-decent damage-output that should easily destroy people that do rely on their buffs & debuffs to survice and / or deal damage.

True but I'm not counting on this set staying as it is ATM so I don't even theory craft around it. I generally think Magicka Warden has all the tools to be effective in PvP with many build options.

It's definitely able to heal itself now. But now that pve is just crippled i don't even want to play the game anymore.

You are on the same boat with many other players regardless to class. I think week 3 will bring back much of the lost dps.
Actually I was very impressed with the new Scorch mechanic and I think Zos should implement such of a mechanic to many of the dot skills.

What do I mean by that? - scorch right now apply damage after 4 sec and 6 sec after. So a player can either wait for the full 10 sec duration and get the damage applied twice(more user friendly for newer players) or use this skill every 4 sec which requires better control and sustain capabilities(and will result in a 20% more dps).

How this principle could be implemented to dots? If you reapply a dot you do ~30-50% of the damage you have left on the dot as a burst. Second option is to make the damage of a dot much stronger on the first ticks while diminishing on the last ticks.

ESO_Nightingale

Lughlongarm wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

Klingenlied wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

PvP perspective only, Magicka Wardens feel much better now on PTS.

I like the new Artic Blast, Deep Fissure, Bird of pray and buff to passives.

Now add in the new Nocturnal's Ploy set and yes, as long as you do not go against some specific Oaken builds, PvP feels rather nice.

However, the reason I feel we are at a nice spot in PvP might be one for concern for others: Magica shalks? Remove a minor and major buff. Corrupting pollen? Say goodbye to another minor and major buff. Now add in Kynmarchers and a Oakensoul for your buffs - and start having fun. Not to mention that when using an ice staff, applying brittle ain't that hard either. So you likely are a debuff-machine with - after nerfs to all classes - semi-decent damage-output that should easily destroy people that do rely on their buffs & debuffs to survice and / or deal damage.

True but I'm not counting on this set staying as it is ATM so I don't even theory craft around it. I generally think Magicka Warden has all the tools to be effective in PvP with many build options.

It's definitely able to heal itself now. But now that pve is just crippled i don't even want to play the game anymore.

You are on the same boat with many other players regardless to class. I think week 3 will bring back much of the lost dps.
Actually I was very impressed with the new Scorch mechanic and I think Zos should implement such of a mechanic to many of the dot skills.

What do I mean by that? - scorch right now apply damage after 4 sec and 6 sec after. So a player can either wait for the full 10 sec duration and get the damage applied twice(more user friendly for newer players) or use this skill every 4 sec which requires better control and sustain capabilities(and will result in a 20% more dps).

How this principle could be implemented to dots? If you reapply a dot you do ~30-50% of the damage you have left on the dot as a burst. Second option is to make the damage of a dot much stronger on the first ticks while diminishing on the last ticks.

the bottom suggestion actually sounds quite good. after the 10 or 12 second tick the damage should be reduced. means that you'd still be incentivised to apply it every 10 seconds for max dps, but it's a lot less punishing for a sloppy rotation. very nice!

Winstonshead

I don't play ESO and don't buy Plus since Subterranean Assault has more profit on magden then Deep Fissure.
And there is zero reasons to comeback.

Tendoshii

Just for clarification, this patch hurts Wardens in PvP just as much as PvE.

GetAgrippa

Any changes to the 3 second timer on Scorch is a non-starter for me. After 5 years of PvPing on my Magden, such a drastic change is totally unnecessary.

YandereGirlfriend

Lughlongarm wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

Klingenlied wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

PvP perspective only, Magicka Wardens feel much better now on PTS.

I like the new Artic Blast, Deep Fissure, Bird of pray and buff to passives.

Now add in the new Nocturnal's Ploy set and yes, as long as you do not go against some specific Oaken builds, PvP feels rather nice.

However, the reason I feel we are at a nice spot in PvP might be one for concern for others: Magica shalks? Remove a minor and major buff. Corrupting pollen? Say goodbye to another minor and major buff. Now add in Kynmarchers and a Oakensoul for your buffs - and start having fun. Not to mention that when using an ice staff, applying brittle ain't that hard either. So you likely are a debuff-machine with - after nerfs to all classes - semi-decent damage-output that should easily destroy people that do rely on their buffs & debuffs to survice and / or deal damage.

True but I'm not counting on this set staying as it is ATM so I don't even theory craft around it. I generally think Magicka Warden has all the tools to be effective in PvP with many build options.

It's definitely able to heal itself now. But now that pve is just crippled i don't even want to play the game anymore.

You are on the same boat with many other players regardless to class. I think week 3 will bring back much of the lost dps.
Actually I was very impressed with the new Scorch mechanic and I think Zos should implement such of a mechanic to many of the dot skills.

What do I mean by that? - scorch right now apply damage after 4 sec and 6 sec after. So a player can either wait for the full 10 sec duration and get the damage applied twice(more user friendly for newer players) or use this skill every 4 sec which requires better control and sustain capabilities(and will result in a 20% more dps).

How this principle could be implemented to dots? If you reapply a dot you do ~30-50% of the damage you have left on the dot as a burst. Second option is to make the damage of a dot much stronger on the first ticks while diminishing on the last ticks.

Except that the scheme is still a giant nerf to Fissure damage overall - since we were getting damage every 3 seconds and then it took the random toss-in nerf of 8% on top of all of that.

I'm fine with allowing a second damage pip from the skill but for the love of Talos nearly every MagDen is against the timing changes since the muscle memory of casting them every third GCD has taken years to develop and is a core part of the class.

Klingenlied

Tendoshii wrote: »

Just for clarification, this patch hurts Wardens in PvP just as much as PvE.

Can you elaborate? Did you test it out? Why do you think so?

Mr_Stach

I mean, some people already struggle hitting with Scorch when it hits once, after it's regular burst now. But now you have 2 burst with different timers? Those people are gonna miss even more lol

GetAgrippa

Klingenlied wrote: »

Tendoshii wrote: »

Just for clarification, this patch hurts Wardens in PvP just as much as PvE.

Can you elaborate? Did you test it out? Why do you think so?

Currently on live you can get 3 Deep Fissures off in 10 seconds. On pts you can get 2 off in 10 seconds, with an 8% damage nerf on each hit. Seems self explanatory. Even if you recast you are using more Magicka now because of the cost increase, and are still waiting longer to do less damage.

Brahma_Br

I can't understand the reason for the shalks nerf, totally unfair. Also, there's no reason to nerf Nature Grasp. Skill that has been nerfed in the past and is now practically useless

GetAgrippa

Brahma_Br wrote: »

I can't understand the reason for the shalks nerf, totally unfair. Also, there's no reason to nerf Nature Grasp. Skill that has been nerfed in the past and is now practically useless

It really is mind boggling. Magden is objectively one of the worst classes in pvp currently and this change hobbles us even more. Those of us who have stuck with our magdens have mostly succeeded because we know the class inside and out. Now we don't even have that.

ESO_Nightingale

GetAgrippa wrote: »

Brahma_Br wrote: »

I can't understand the reason for the shalks nerf, totally unfair. Also, there's no reason to nerf Nature Grasp. Skill that has been nerfed in the past and is now practically useless

It really is mind boggling. Magden is objectively one of the worst classes in pvp currently and this change hobbles us even more. Those of us who have stuck with our magdens have mostly succeeded because we know the class inside and out. Now we don't even have that.

tbh i'm so done i just want to see how bad it gets. i want to be able to come back at some point, but i've needed a long break for a while. might remain active on forums occasionally after this patch goes through though.

MindOfTheSwarm

I really hope we see some drastic changes from week 1. Week 3 will see some changes but I fear they won't be enough. I feel the same goal will remain the same. Long DoT durations for low tick damage, and too much focus on class spammables.