Has anyone made a parse on PTS yet?

Grandchamp1989

Exact same build on live and PTS

what are the number differences?

Arthtur

They added new buffs to the dummy so comparing numbers between live and PTS wont be that easy ;p

Skjaldbjorn

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

Exact same build on live and PTS

what are the number differences?

Friend of mine's parse on PTS. With a very similar setup he was hitting ~118k on live.

Grandchamp1989

Yeah saw that - I'm still curious tho:)

jaws343

Arthtur wrote: »

They added new buffs to the dummy so comparing numbers between live and PTS wont be that easy ;p

Can always just go back down to a 3/6M for comparison sake.

Grandchamp1989

118k to 89?

But didn't they buff the trial dummy or did I read the notes wrongly?

Hope we can more data to compare.

Skjaldbjorn

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

118k to 89?

But didn't they buff the trial dummy or did I read the notes wrongly?

Hope we can more data to compare.

They did. Warden got absolutely dumpstered. If I even find the will to give a damn, I will hop on PTS and parse with Warden, but I will probably just swap to Necro full-time and acquiesce to Zos' will.

alternatelder

Skjaldbjorn wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

Exact same build on live and PTS

what are the number differences?

Friend of mine's parse on PTS. With a very similar setup he was hitting ~118k on live.

Can you post his 118k, please.

Arthtur

Skjaldbjorn wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

Exact same build on live and PTS

what are the number differences?

Friend of mine's parse on PTS. With a very similar setup he was hitting ~118k on live.

Thats a joke right? it cant be THAT bad...

jaws343 wrote: »

Arthtur wrote: »

They added new buffs to the dummy so comparing numbers between live and PTS wont be that easy ;p

Can always just go back down to a 3/6M for comparison sake.

Yeah i will do some 3kk parses when i will update PTS. My internet is so slow tho that i think he wants to tell me something...

Skjaldbjorn

alternatelder wrote: »

Skjaldbjorn wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

Exact same build on live and PTS

what are the number differences?

Friend of mine's parse on PTS. With a very similar setup he was hitting ~118k on live.

Can you post his 118k, please.

Sure.

Grandchamp1989

jaws343 wrote: »

Arthtur wrote: »

They added new buffs to the dummy so comparing numbers between live and PTS wont be that easy ;p

Can always just go back down to a 3/6M for comparison sake.

Yeah but wouldn't major breach at the very least need to be applied to give some data?

I dunno, I don't know how the old timer's used to parse on those things xD I only use it for solo setups.

Skjaldbjorn

Arthtur wrote: »

Thats a joke right? it cant be THAT bad...

Not at all. You have to think, the Warden passive was a flat ~8% damage buff in his live parse.

118k * .08 = 9,442

So Wardens lost ~9.5k DPS just from that single change alone, ignoring everything else entirely. That's a 10k swing.

Dalsinthus

118k to 89k when the target dummy was buffed... I'm speechless.

As a warden main, this is deeply demoralizing.

Skjaldbjorn

Dalsinthus wrote: »

118k to 89k when the target dummy was buffed... I'm speechless.

As a warden main, this is deeply demoralizing.

No no, it's fine. You're the overland god now. Don't worry.

Skjaldbjorn

Necro got a flat 5% damage nerf to a specific form of damage (DoTs).

Wardens got a scaling damage nerf (2-12%) to literally every type of damage they do.

Stuns me that people are actually surprised they dumpstered them so hard.

alternatelder

You said he was hitting 118k on live, posted a 3600cp parse. Results are at 1550cp 89k?
Am I seeing this wrong?

MentalxHammer

It will take at least a few days for PTS parses to be realistic as optimal rotations will change drastically due to increased DOT timers.

Arthtur

I dont know what to even say. My brain is too small to understand how this should help the weaker players get into harder content.

jaws343

Dalsinthus wrote: »

118k to 89k when the target dummy was buffed... I'm speechless.

As a warden main, this is deeply demoralizing.

I imagine it will likely be a bit closer once the optimization of skills has been figured out. Can't really directly take a live build and a PTS build and compare them to gauge where PTS damage is at, since the DOT changes are pretty massive and will require a lot of tinkering.

Skjaldbjorn

alternatelder wrote: »

You said he was hitting 118k on live, posted a 3600cp parse. Results are at 1550cp 89k?
Am I seeing this wrong?

Nah. It was live in the sense it was on PTS to save pots, but it was the exact same patch. Nothing changed. He just didn't want to waste pots parsing live. So same umbrella of changes/meta, just on PTS for resources. Same way a lot of folks practice. The important CP are still slotted/unlocked.

Skjaldbjorn

jaws343 wrote: »

I imagine it will likely be a bit closer once the optimization of skills has been figured out. Can't really directly take a live build and a PTS build and compare them to gauge where PTS damage is at, since the DOT changes are pretty massive and will require a lot of tinkering.

Hail looks to be the winner. Carve looks dead. Not a lot else changed. You'll still run most of the same skills.

Dagoth_Rac

I would not obsess over early parses. People need time to theorycraft. There are a lot of changes. It is unlikely that the best builds and approaches from live would still be the best on PTS.

Gilliam talked about doing 80 hours of parsing during development. I wish they would have shared what kind of numbers he gets so we have some idea of what is possible when you have experience with all the changes and best way to build for them.

Skjaldbjorn

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I would not obsess over early parses. People need time to theorycraft. There are a lot of changes. It is unlikely that the best builds and approaches from live would still be the best on PTS.

Gilliam talked about doing 80 hours of parsing during development. I wish they would have shared what kind of numbers he gets so we have some idea of what is possible when you have experience with all the changes and best way to build for them.

I hate to break it to you, but an 8% flat damage nerf is an 8% flat damage nerf regardless of what skills you slap on.

Gederic

Here is my last parse on live servers compared to the parse I just did on pts. My light attack rate on pts is actually better and I'll note this is with me starting killers blade at 50% instead of 25%. Otherwise the same stuff kinras/rele/harpooners/slimecraw. This is with a stamblade that actually got otherwise buffed... So compare that to classes that got nerfs alongside the dot and light attack change and you have a pretty demoralizing picture.




PTS:

robpr

Gederic wrote: »

Here is my last parse on live servers compared to the parse I just did on pts. My light attack rate on pts is actually better and I'll note this is with me starting killers blade at 50% instead of 25%. Otherwise the same stuff kinras/rele/harpooners/slimecraw. This is with a stamblade that actually got otherwise buffed... So compare that to classes that got nerfs alongside the dot and light attack change and you have a pretty demoralizing picture.




PTS:

Surprise Attack supposed to guarantee crit on flank, so make sure you hit the dummy on the back

prof_doom

The people who think the DPS is going to go up on the PTS by any appreciable amount are being way too hopeful. The dummy got buffed, and parses are still down 30K+.

No amount of theory-crafting to going to make up the giant pile of nerfs they shoved out today.

Gederic

robpr wrote: »

Gederic wrote: »

Here is my last parse on live servers compared to the parse I just did on pts. My light attack rate on pts is actually better and I'll note this is with me starting killers blade at 50% instead of 25%. Otherwise the same stuff kinras/rele/harpooners/slimecraw. This is with a stamblade that actually got otherwise buffed... So compare that to classes that got nerfs alongside the dot and light attack change and you have a pretty demoralizing picture.




PTS:

Surprise Attack supposed to guarantee crit on flank, so make sure you hit the dummy on the back

Its been setup to be flanked since it was placed. So you might as well take that to mean the change is bugged.

Dalsinthus

Skjaldbjorn wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

118k to 89k when the target dummy was buffed... I'm speechless.

As a warden main, this is deeply demoralizing.

No no, it's fine. You're the overland god now. Don't worry.

Well we have been asking for a harder overland. Looks like we got it for some classes at least.

[Goes back to crying in a corner.]

AJA

As someone who loves the Warden class, and has 6 of them - I'm considering uninstalling the game for the first time since I started in 2017

lordspyder

I'm a terrible player I know this. To add to that I have hand issues that make playing hard for me. But I went from a 26k parse on a 3mil dummy to 14k. I'm done being able to participate. I can't do vet dungeons at that DPS... I might as well just uninstall now.

Skjaldbjorn

AJA wrote: »

As someone who loves the Warden class, and has 6 of them - I'm considering uninstalling the game for the first time since I started in 2017

Feel free to come on over to my thread. You too, @Dalsinthus. Maybe if we're loud and obnoxious enough they'll find it more difficult to ignore the smallest class minority in the game's cries once again.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/611083/warden-changes-deep-dive-discussion#latest