ZOS, please explain why there are discussions ESO related posted on social media and not here first

Elsonso

FluffWit wrote: »

We dont want them to "share" conversations. We want them to actually HAVE conversations. With their customers, not each other. They never reply directly to anyone here. They certainly dont attempt to have any kind of back and forth.

Just look at the most important forum we have- the pts. It receives virtually ZERO direct developer feedback, even when major problems with upcoming releases are bought up to try and help the team.

Yeah. It would be nice if the devs were more visible in the PTS forum and we didn't have to wait for tidbits and scraps in Patch Notes to find out what is going on.

I would like it if they would step into debates just to let the players know where things stand rather than just letting them continue on for weeks. Devs and Mods should not be watching weeks of players fighting with each other when the Devs know the answers. Yes, that might spawn additional debate, but at least the players would know where they stand. Hopefully, this could reduce speculation on whether some hot item is intentional, or something that will get fixed... or not.

sPark101

I agree with EdmondDontes, where is the breaking eso news?
here?
twitter?
Facebook?
other?
other?
twitch?

NeeScrolls

sPark101 wrote: »

, where is the breaking eso news?

Right over here--> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/bug-reports

Get it?

Gnesnig

NeeScrolls wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

This game is made by the Devs, for the players. .

Sorry but i've been on a 'dev team' for another MMO and , at least from my experience, devs (coders) certainly don't "make for the players" . They code & design from something internal (and, for the best ones, it's something inspirational) .

Therein lies the biggest problem imo , since paying customers (or heck even Free-to-players ) have such a tremendously unhealthy sense of entitlement most of the time.

So most gamers forget Rule #1 of MMO's: Gameplay is subject to change...at a whim.

And any developer who caters too much toward the permanantly fickle & insatiable playerbase is gonna run into issues.
.

You'd be right if companies also market it this way. "Come join our vision", "We won't listen to you, cause we want you to be part the story WE create." But that's not how things go. Gaming companies are all about player feedback in their marketing/PR messaging. None of them have the balls to say that they don't listen to their player base on principle - and saying it out of spite or contempt, certainly doesn't help.

If I had the capital to fund my own MMO, player input would be restricted to bugs only and for the rest they would not have any influence. Games are not productivity tools: feedback on how things work does not have to be taken seriously - because it will select your audience. Much like a film or book does. And unless you're aiming for world domination - that can be good / profitable enough and you know that the people playing are enjoying what you've created.

Raevenglass

Youyouz06 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SlashLurk/status/1545786200342110209?s=20&t=SsOFrubXsm3_DGDbhgqEuQ

BTW here's the tweet itself if anyone wants to see it.

Hmm...

I think Rich has to calm down with his personal phrasing. It doesn't look good for anyone concerned.

Step back for second - is he wrong? I mean every time there is a change we all (including me) get very upset at what might happen, and complain, and threaten to quit, and toss insults at Zos right and left.

He's not wrong to ask for some trust.

We're not wrong to ask for more communication and evidence that we are being heard.

Maybe we could all stand to give each other a bit more respect?

Rae

Cadbury

Raevenglass wrote: »

Youyouz06 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SlashLurk/status/1545786200342110209?s=20&t=SsOFrubXsm3_DGDbhgqEuQ

BTW here's the tweet itself if anyone wants to see it.

Hmm...

I think Rich has to calm down with his personal phrasing. It doesn't look good for anyone concerned.

Step back for second - is he wrong? I mean every time there is a change we all (including me) get very upset at what might happen, and complain, and threaten to quit, and toss insults at Zos right and left.

He's not wrong to ask for some trust.

We're not wrong to ask for more communication and evidence that we are being heard.

Maybe we could all stand to give each other a bit more respect?

Rae

Trust and respect are earned.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo

Raevenglass wrote: »

Youyouz06 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SlashLurk/status/1545786200342110209?s=20&t=SsOFrubXsm3_DGDbhgqEuQ

BTW here's the tweet itself if anyone wants to see it.

Hmm...

I think Rich has to calm down with his personal phrasing. It doesn't look good for anyone concerned.

Step back for second - is he wrong? I mean every time there is a change we all (including me) get very upset at what might happen, and complain, and threaten to quit, and toss insults at Zos right and left.

He's not wrong to ask for some trust.

We're not wrong to ask for more communication and evidence that we are being heard.

Maybe we could all stand to give each other a bit more respect?

Rae

To quote the director 'We are providing a service'. From my point a view the service isn't up to par and issues are non resolved. I would begin a trust path with that more than anything else. I can imagine a large proportion of the player base just view this as a forced or shuffle change, but hey, like I said in another subject post: 'It will happen either way'. In that regard, I don't think it is constructive for a professional to comment about it and add personal resentment.

But maybe that's just me and I'd be happy to see his comments on other subjects outside of the ESO realm

Paralyse

Forums are just as bad at social media for the "echo chamber" effect

This game has 20,000,000 (per ZOS) registered accounts.

We have a tenet in my business in real life:
A happy customer might tell one or two people that they're happy if you get lucky.
An angry customer will tell everyone who will listen that they're angry no matter what.

As the most natural outlet for player gripes and frustration, the forums tend to be a gathering point for those angry customers (players); yet all of the other players who are satisfied, and happy, and not having issues, very rarely do those people come here to tell us all how much they love the game, or how great of a time they are having, or how much they liked a change that was made.

So we, the forum readers, are surrounded by almost constant negativity. That tends to reinforce a perception among us that the game is dying, everything's broken, every change is a negative, game-breaking event, etc. One player reports a bug, and everyone is so quick to assume that the same bug must be affecting every other player.

The reason why tweets like the one referenced above make players angry is because they're accurate.

A new change is datamined, or on the PTS for a day, and the forum is up in arms about how terrible it's going to be and how it's going to ruin the game and how the world as we know it is doomed for ever. People piggyback on that with their personal grievances, real or imagined, whether related to the topic at hand or otherwise. Worse, people start to ascribe ulterior motives to changes -- "the devs are doing this because they hate me/my class/the game/my playstyle", as though the changes being made are part of some nefarious conspiracy to ruin the game just to spite the players who are upset.

Happy customers are the silent majority.
Angry forum posters are the vocal minority.

There might be 1,000 threads here talking about how terrible a change is.

We don't see the 100,000 threads that were never made because those players are happy with the change or simply don't care about it enough to bother posting something, or they're neutral on the issue, or they don't like it but will deal with it and adapt and don't think it's worth raising a fuss about.

EozZoe1989

EdmondDontes wrote: »

We need an explanation as to why devs and other ESO representatives continue to post on social media about game related events and changes but not on this forum. This is the forum that is dedicated to the game and every aspect of it. Why are the devs and other ZOS representatives posting about the game on social media at all? Why not here first for everything they have to say and discuss?

There are a lot of us that shun all social media because it's primarily a source of misinformation and conspiracy theories. Not posting the information here de-legitimizes what any ZOS representative might have to say and isolates the information from what is supposed to be the primary source for ESO related information.

What's going on here? Why not post anything and everything ESO related on the dedicated ESO forum first and foremost? Isn't that what this forum is for?

What am I missing here? Social media is for kids and conspiracy theorists. This forum is for ESO related discussions and information. ....or at least that's what is says at the top of every page on this forum.

beacuse people on social media more than there is on here and really they should make this publoc these forms.-.

Ejpatalon

I didn’t read all of the posts in this thread but one factor is what if I do not participate in any twitter feeds? If the news is not here I’ll never see it!

TaSheen

Ejpatalon wrote: »

I didn’t read all of the posts in this thread but one factor is what if I do not participate in any twitter feeds? If the news is not here I’ll never see it!

Yes. Also a problem for me.

Gnesnig

EozZoe1989 wrote: »

because people are on social media more than they are is on here and really they should make this public these forums.-.

The forums are publically readable. Participation requires an account.

fizl101

Dr_Con wrote: »

I would like to see more utilization of the launcher for important updates/announcements! The forum is a place for community to discuss things, so anything mentioned anywhere can have a topic made here to discuss it!

Maybe give us the option to opt-in to specific notifications through the launcher? That way you can tie-in twitter posts, facebook posts, myspace alerts, instagram posts, forum posts, etc. I feel like putting important notifications through the launcher in this manner would be a proper use of resources to address the concern.

Other than this, I hope whoever is at ZOS takes this thread with a grain of salt... don't be too hard on the employees and their announcement patterns, you'll find that complaints will lead to the company's attempts at reconciling slowing things down and leading to unnecessary disciplinary action to employees.

FYI - console doesn't have the launcher, so getting news that way will hit a limited number of people

Cryptor

EdmondDontes wrote: »

What am I missing here? Social media is for kids and conspiracy theorists. This forum is for ESO related discussions and information. ....or at least that's what is says at the top of every page on this forum.

people have lives & have a right to have their own private lives, social media accounts and talk about ESO on their private time if that is what they feel like doing. this is not just a job for most of these people, they live & breath this game every day, before, during and after work. it matters to them

ApoAlaia

This 'tweet' has aged like fine milk.

It wasn't a knee jerk reaction, it was a perfectly justified sense of foreboding rippling through the community.

Given what has been rolled out in the PTS turns out that people's instinct was right on the money and this tweet just looks like an attempt at gaslighting.

SimonThesis

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Lastly, we are working on ways to have more dev communication on the forum as well. We'll have some announcements related to that in the future, as those plans are in progress.

This is brilliant we've been asking for more communication for some time. This is a step in the right direction!

Cryptor

ApoAlaia wrote: »

This 'tweet' has aged like fine milk.

It wasn't a knee jerk reaction, it was a perfectly justified sense of foreboding rippling through the community.

Given what has been rolled out in the PTS turns out that people's instinct was right on the money and this tweet just looks like an attempt at gaslighting.

whether community instinct was right or not does not justify the inquisition that is taking place right now targeting the one guy who literally goes above and beyond every single day. this man works a full day , often long hours, goes home to play ESO with people and talk about the game on his own time. he gives honest opinions, truly loves this game and plays it more than most of us. and after years of this, the one time he suggests that we try the patch first before we start the outrage he gets crucified.

the end result here is that the one guy who dared to open himself to the community, not just work-wise but also by sharing his private time and engaging the player base, is being punished for even trying to do the right thing. however, this inquisition ends it is already clear that it will have far-reaching impact on other devs and their willingness to make themselves vulnerable.

you can't both demand communications and openness and crucify & cancel those who do. a polite recommendation that we first try the changes before being outraged about them is a perfectly acceptable and reasonable suggestion.

wolfie1.0.

Cryptor wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

This 'tweet' has aged like fine milk.

It wasn't a knee jerk reaction, it was a perfectly justified sense of foreboding rippling through the community.

Given what has been rolled out in the PTS turns out that people's instinct was right on the money and this tweet just looks like an attempt at gaslighting.

whether community instinct was right or not does not justify the inquisition that is taking place right now targeting the one guy who literally goes above and beyond every single day. this man works a full day , often long hours, goes home to play ESO with people and talk about the game on his own time. he gives honest opinions, truly loves this game and plays it more than most of us. and after years of this, the one time he suggests that we try the patch first before we start the outrage he gets crucified.

the end result here is that the one guy who dared to open himself to the community, not just work-wise but also by sharing his private time and engaging the player base, is being punished for even trying to do the right thing. however, this inquisition ends it is already clear that it will have far-reaching impact on other devs and their willingness to make themselves vulnerable.

you can't both demand communications and openness and crucify & cancel those who do. a polite recommendation that we first try the changes before being outraged about them is a perfectly acceptable and reasonable suggestion.

Good point and valid.

Agenericname

Cryptor wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

This 'tweet' has aged like fine milk.

It wasn't a knee jerk reaction, it was a perfectly justified sense of foreboding rippling through the community.

Given what has been rolled out in the PTS turns out that people's instinct was right on the money and this tweet just looks like an attempt at gaslighting.

whether community instinct was right or not does not justify the inquisition that is taking place right now targeting the one guy who literally goes above and beyond every single day. this man works a full day , often long hours, goes home to play ESO with people and talk about the game on his own time. he gives honest opinions, truly loves this game and plays it more than most of us. and after years of this, the one time he suggests that we try the patch first before we start the outrage he gets crucified.

the end result here is that the one guy who dared to open himself to the community, not just work-wise but also by sharing his private time and engaging the player base, is being punished for even trying to do the right thing. however, this inquisition ends it is already clear that it will have far-reaching impact on other devs and their willingness to make themselves vulnerable.

you can't both demand communications and openness and crucify & cancel those who do. a polite recommendation that we first try the changes before being outraged about them is a perfectly acceptable and reasonable suggestion.

Had he made those comments here, in the official forums, I doubt that I would have the same reaction. I dont watch streams often, if at all. So hes not communicating with me, at all. He's communicating about me.

The communication issue is mostly on their end.

They could alleviate a great deal of this is they were as open as they say they would like to be.

MrGhosty

I do wish they had a dev tracker social cloud on the website to make it easier to see conversations about the game happening elsewhere, but at least they're talking about the game at all. I can remember when the game launched it was very very quiet out there.

spartaxoxo

Agenericname wrote: »

Cryptor wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

This 'tweet' has aged like fine milk.

It wasn't a knee jerk reaction, it was a perfectly justified sense of foreboding rippling through the community.

Given what has been rolled out in the PTS turns out that people's instinct was right on the money and this tweet just looks like an attempt at gaslighting.

whether community instinct was right or not does not justify the inquisition that is taking place right now targeting the one guy who literally goes above and beyond every single day. this man works a full day , often long hours, goes home to play ESO with people and talk about the game on his own time. he gives honest opinions, truly loves this game and plays it more than most of us. and after years of this, the one time he suggests that we try the patch first before we start the outrage he gets crucified.

the end result here is that the one guy who dared to open himself to the community, not just work-wise but also by sharing his private time and engaging the player base, is being punished for even trying to do the right thing. however, this inquisition ends it is already clear that it will have far-reaching impact on other devs and their willingness to make themselves vulnerable.

you can't both demand communications and openness and crucify & cancel those who do. a polite recommendation that we first try the changes before being outraged about them is a perfectly acceptable and reasonable suggestion.

Had he made those comments here, in the official forums, I doubt that I would have the same reaction. I dont watch streams often, if at all. So hes not communicating with me, at all. He's communicating about me.

The communication issue is mostly on their end.

They could alleviate a great deal of this is they were as open as they say they would like to be.

He was not streaming when the incident occurred. His wife was doing her own stream, and she was talking about accessibility needs (like colorblind settings) in gaming. Someone came in and joked that lag in pvp is an accessibility thing, and laughed it off after her comment. They were half joking, half seriously trying to get an answer because her husband was sitting next to her. SHE then made the infamous comment. And he got visibly embarrassed by it. He was about to give more professional and polite response, but got cut off by something that I don't remember. Some exciting Twitch hoopla. And then that was the end of it. The infamous clip cuts out the context of her statement to make it seem like she was being malicious out of spite towards PvPers rather than annoyed at constant interruptions about PVP on unrelated topics.

ADarklore

TBH, I think some devs have been here far too long. We need new blood, new ideas. With this latest update, I feel like we're going back into the Wrobel era all over again. Having been off playing DCUO, I hadn't seen the update on PTS, but after seeing it, I opted to cancel my sub. There are plenty of new games coming out this fall, I have plenty of other games I can play until then, and there are a lot more MMORPGs coming out in the future.

The ONLY way ZOS will revert changes if is people speak with they wallets, pure and simple. A LOT of them did with the last "Chapter" and many many more will after these changes.

Oh, and btw Mr. Lambert, it isn't 'change' we fear, it's the complete dismantling of combat and taking it in a direction that we didn't ask for, nor want. IMO, classes and skills were pretty balanced overall, and now with all this mess, it's going to be months of 'tweaks' all over again. As I said, the Wrobel era all over again.

Agenericname

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

Cryptor wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

This 'tweet' has aged like fine milk.

It wasn't a knee jerk reaction, it was a perfectly justified sense of foreboding rippling through the community.

Given what has been rolled out in the PTS turns out that people's instinct was right on the money and this tweet just looks like an attempt at gaslighting.

whether community instinct was right or not does not justify the inquisition that is taking place right now targeting the one guy who literally goes above and beyond every single day. this man works a full day , often long hours, goes home to play ESO with people and talk about the game on his own time. he gives honest opinions, truly loves this game and plays it more than most of us. and after years of this, the one time he suggests that we try the patch first before we start the outrage he gets crucified.

the end result here is that the one guy who dared to open himself to the community, not just work-wise but also by sharing his private time and engaging the player base, is being punished for even trying to do the right thing. however, this inquisition ends it is already clear that it will have far-reaching impact on other devs and their willingness to make themselves vulnerable.

you can't both demand communications and openness and crucify & cancel those who do. a polite recommendation that we first try the changes before being outraged about them is a perfectly acceptable and reasonable suggestion.

Had he made those comments here, in the official forums, I doubt that I would have the same reaction. I dont watch streams often, if at all. So hes not communicating with me, at all. He's communicating about me.

The communication issue is mostly on their end.

They could alleviate a great deal of this is they were as open as they say they would like to be.

He was not streaming when the incident occurred. His wife was doing her own stream, and she was talking about accessibility needs (like colorblind settings) in gaming. Someone came in and joked that lag in pvp is an accessibility thing, and laughed it off after her comment. They were half joking, half seriously trying to get an answer because her husband was sitting next to her. SHE then made the infamous comment. And he got visibly embarrassed by it. He was about to give more professional and polite response, but got cut off by something that I don't remember. Some exciting Twitch hoopla. And then that was the end of it. The infamous clip cuts out the context of her statement to make it seem like she was being malicious out of spite towards PvPers rather than annoyed at constant interruptions about PVP on unrelated topics.

I wasnt referring to that stream. Ive never seen it. I should have said that I dont pay much attention to social media at when it comes to ESO.

I mean, thats why we have the forums.

spartaxoxo

Agenericname wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

Cryptor wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

This 'tweet' has aged like fine milk.

It wasn't a knee jerk reaction, it was a perfectly justified sense of foreboding rippling through the community.

Given what has been rolled out in the PTS turns out that people's instinct was right on the money and this tweet just looks like an attempt at gaslighting.

whether community instinct was right or not does not justify the inquisition that is taking place right now targeting the one guy who literally goes above and beyond every single day. this man works a full day , often long hours, goes home to play ESO with people and talk about the game on his own time. he gives honest opinions, truly loves this game and plays it more than most of us. and after years of this, the one time he suggests that we try the patch first before we start the outrage he gets crucified.

the end result here is that the one guy who dared to open himself to the community, not just work-wise but also by sharing his private time and engaging the player base, is being punished for even trying to do the right thing. however, this inquisition ends it is already clear that it will have far-reaching impact on other devs and their willingness to make themselves vulnerable.

you can't both demand communications and openness and crucify & cancel those who do. a polite recommendation that we first try the changes before being outraged about them is a perfectly acceptable and reasonable suggestion.

Had he made those comments here, in the official forums, I doubt that I would have the same reaction. I dont watch streams often, if at all. So hes not communicating with me, at all. He's communicating about me.

The communication issue is mostly on their end.

They could alleviate a great deal of this is they were as open as they say they would like to be.

He was not streaming when the incident occurred. His wife was doing her own stream, and she was talking about accessibility needs (like colorblind settings) in gaming. Someone came in and joked that lag in pvp is an accessibility thing, and laughed it off after her comment. They were half joking, half seriously trying to get an answer because her husband was sitting next to her. SHE then made the infamous comment. And he got visibly embarrassed by it. He was about to give more professional and polite response, but got cut off by something that I don't remember. Some exciting Twitch hoopla. And then that was the end of it. The infamous clip cuts out the context of her statement to make it seem like she was being malicious out of spite towards PvPers rather than annoyed at constant interruptions about PVP on unrelated topics.

I wasnt referring to that stream. Ive never seen it. I should have said that I dont pay much attention to social media at when it comes to ESO.

I mean, thats why we have the forums.

Ah, okay. Sorry for the misunderstanding!

fastolfv_ESO

i think its just snowflake mentality, negative feedback hurts the feelings of younger people not raised to handle criticism so you get stuff like official announcements only on social media moderated to death so that no negative opinion can be seen so its like nothing is wrong. Now the eso forums are moderated just as bad as say reddit but there was a time when negative posts were allowed here and it scared zos employees away so now we get no communication with the company making the product we are tryng to enjoy, its strange times we live in

Wolfpaw

I hope the day comes when this continued reskinned versions of myspace platforms once and for all are unused and gone.

Imagine they didn't exist, Mr. Lambert would come here to a space of invested customers looking forward to a Q&A, or a community letter of objectives and goals. Done, easy, move on.

insta, fb, twitter, reddit, "social" twitch streams, etc...all the same junk, internet parasites for the brain. Hell I'm old enough to remember being called a "follower" was not a good thing.

Could care less about combat changes, give my 2c, and that's about all it's worth in game development. Will continue to play in my free time as long as it's fun.

Hope ESO is a continued success.

Kiralyn2000

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

i think its just snowflake mentality, negative feedback hurts the feelings of younger people not raised to handle criticism so you get stuff like official announcements only on social media moderated to death so that no negative opinion can be seen so its like nothing is wrong. Now the eso forums are moderated just as bad as say reddit but there was a time when negative posts were allowed here and it scared zos employees away so now we get no communication with the company making the product we are tryng to enjoy, its strange times we live in

I find this whole worldview - that everything is being censored, because "fragile snowflakes" aren't thick-skinned like Real Gamers back in Ye Olden Days of the Internet - to be kind of hard to comprehend.

Especially the part where "negative posts aren't allowed here". 75% of the first three pages of this forum are negative posts, many of them irrationally so. You're not being silenced, or censored, or canceled.

(forums have always locked/banned/deleted/etc posters & threads that were overly/overtly hostile & uncivil. It's just in the modern era, where public discourse has been degraded to the point that people think frothing rage & hate speech is reasonable & normal, that it's suddenly being seen as oppression.)


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meanwhile, every game company I read the forums of, has moved lots of communication to social media. It's the hip and in thing, not a conspiracy of scared devs hiding from their customers. (especially when twitter is just as full of over-reacting gamers throwing hate at devs, and has been for years)

EdmondDontes

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

i think its just snowflake mentality, negative feedback hurts the feelings of younger people not raised to handle criticism so you get stuff like official announcements only on social media moderated to death so that no negative opinion can be seen so its like nothing is wrong. Now the eso forums are moderated just as bad as say reddit but there was a time when negative posts were allowed here and it scared zos employees away so now we get no communication with the company making the product we are tryng to enjoy, its strange times we live in

I find this whole worldview - that everything is being censored, because "fragile snowflakes" aren't thick-skinned like Real Gamers back in Ye Olden Days of the Internet - to be kind of hard to comprehend.

Especially the part where "negative posts aren't allowed here". 75% of the first three pages of this forum are negative posts, many of them irrationally so. You're not being silenced, or censored, or canceled.

(forums have always locked/banned/deleted/etc posters & threads that were overly/overtly hostile & uncivil. It's just in the modern era, where public discourse has been degraded to the point that people think frothing rage & hate speech is reasonable & normal, that it's suddenly being seen as oppression.)


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meanwhile, every game company I read the forums of, has moved lots of communication to social media. It's the hip and in thing, not a conspiracy of scared devs hiding from their customers. (especially when twitter is just as full of over-reacting gamers throwing hate at devs, and has been for years)

Social media is a cesspool of misinformation. The rational "everyone is doing it" is not reasonable or justifiable, nor is it completely factual. This is the dedicated forum for ESO and where all information ESO related should be posted first. Posting on social media discredits anything that might appear there just by the virtue of being on social media.

I know it's hard for addicts of social media to comprehend, but social media is a cancer on the world in how it works and how it changes people and erodes their freedom and ability to think for themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaaC57tcci0

Elsonso

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

meanwhile, every game company I read the forums of, has moved lots of communication to social media. It's the hip and in thing, not a conspiracy of scared devs hiding from their customers. (especially when twitter is just as full of over-reacting gamers throwing hate at devs, and has been for years)

Depends on the studio. Some use Twitter exclusively to get information out, and if they have some other way to do it, I am not aware. These are fine, but I am not part of any community for those games, and there probably isn't one. My personal opinion of these studios mixed, but they do tend to be chatty. That is the nature of Twitter.

What I like to see is social media announcements that point to meat-and-potatoes on a discussion forum. Pointing to an article is a second to that. Social media reminders don't have to point to anything. For my preferences, Twitter is the optimal social media platform for that. A distant second would be Facebook. Trendy new ones fall below that, simply due to depth of adoption.

A special thumbs down for Discord... I've been on Discord for a long long time. Discord is too disorganized. Bethesda moved there and they are a black hole for me and I am no longer participating in any game communities, despite being logged into Discord at all times. Where they hide out is a vast sea of unread stream of consciousness stuff that I don't have time to wade through.

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Social media is a cesspool of misinformation. The rational "everyone is doing it" is not reasonable or justifiable, nor is it completely factual. This is the dedicated forum for ESO and where all information ESO related should be posted first. Posting on social media discredits anything that might appear there just by the virtue of being on social media.

Misinformation is not new. The rise of the internet allowed greater access to self publishing, and social media removed many of the associated barriers that were present in the early internet. Content has always needed to be evaluated for accuracy at consumption, whether it was newspapers in the 1800's, network news back in the 1950's, cable news networks in the 1990's. Twitter in the 2020's, or something from a game studio last Monday. Inaccurate content can be found in all of those places. Media does not matter. It is a fact of daily life. What is alarming to me about the focus on social media misinformation is that people find it alarming. If anything, it is easier to root out inaccurate information today than it has ever been in the past.

A game company using Twitter, or social media, to communicate does not diminish the studio, and does provide a useful venue for contacting customers and potential customers. This eliminates the need for customers to make the rounds of various websites and forums to scrape information. Sure, the customer can elect to do that, and I encourage the studios to have that more in-depth information backing up social media announcements so that this can be done.

shadyjane62

My proudest moment is when I got banned from Facebook:)